Is Joe Flacco a ELITE quaterback?
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The media wants to anoint a new QB every year as the second coming. Flacco, Matty Ice,Kap and now Newton again. There are 3-4 elite, 7-10 who you'd welcome on any team. He is not elite.
Newton is a bad dude. He has carried Carolina for since he has been in the league. He is top 4 or 5 right now. Brady, Rodgers, and Luck are the only guys I would surefire say are better than him right now, and Luck only based on last year. Palmer and Dalton are playing well this year too., but I ain't taking either of them over Newton.
I think P.Rivers and big Ben should be in the debate over Cam. Rivers had a great outing today, breaking like 4 franchise records. He's just kind of a *****, though. But yeah, Cam is that dude.
Count me in the group of "wins are a team statistic, not an individual statistic".
They lost to top3 team.. Arguably the best team.
They lost to top3 team.. Arguably the best team.
Cam Newton is really, really, really good. He's got Greg Olsen and a bunch of chumps as his receiving core. My view is this:
Top Tier: Rodgers
Second Tier: Brady
Third Tier: Newton, Big Ben, Luck, Roma
Fourth Tier: Rivers, Matt Ryan, Flacco, Dalton (can't believe I'm writing that)
Fifth Tier: Palmer, Manning (It's sad, but he's got a rag arm now), Brees
Sixth Tier: Bridgewater, Stafford, Taylor, Smith, Bortles, Cutler
Seventh Tier and lower: Everyone else
I may have missed a few, but that's how I see it.
Top Tier: Rodgers
Second Tier: Brady
Third Tier: Newton, Big Ben, Luck, Roma
Fourth Tier: Rivers, Matt Ryan, Flacco, Dalton (can't believe I'm writing that)
Fifth Tier: Palmer, Manning (It's sad, but he's got a rag arm now), Brees
Sixth Tier: Bridgewater, Stafford, Taylor, Smith, Bortles, Cutler
Seventh Tier and lower: Everyone else
I may have missed a few, but that's how I see it.
Man NO is really crap right now.. We sure Brees is that low? Dude was considered elite only 2 or 3 years ago.
Eli Manning is probably in the 4th or 5h tier above. Has the ability of tier 2 but the brains of tier 10.
Eli Manning is probably in the 4th or 5h tier above. Has the ability of tier 2 but the brains of tier 10.
I think Brees and Palmer are better than that. Take either them over Romo.
Where is Russell Wilson?
Where is Russell Wilson?
You missed from the very start. I hate the Patriots but any list that doesn't have Brady in the top group is crazy.
To say Brady isn't in the top tier completely ruins the rest of your post
See my statement above about winning with a great defense and then overpaying your average QB. If you could have him at last years salary he'd be fine but when you have to seriously downgrade at 5 other positions just to keep him he and the rest of the team are not as good.
There is hardly an analyst out there who doesn't think Rodgers is the best QB in the league. You can put Brady in the top tier, but I wanted to show that a younger Rodgers is the better QB.
He's top 1/3rd of the league over the last several yrs.....but that doesn't mean that he's elite......just top 33% of the league. To me, "elite" is reserved for very few....Rodgers.....Manning and Brees back into their prime......etc.
Tom Brady is 38 and can't move. Aaron Rodgers is 32 and is unbelievably mobile. You act like I'm saying Brady sucks. I'm not - he's the second best QB in the league. But Rodgers is in another world right now. Secondly, unless Rodgers wins at least two more SBs, Brady will go down as the best QB of all time. So again, I'm not knocking Brady, I'm just saying, like many, many, many analysts, that Rodgers is the best QB in the league today.
I forgot Wilson - love that guy - I'd put him in the last spot of the third tier. Brees is losing it - he had a good game last time out - but he's on the decline.
Don't sleep on Romo - that guy is really, really good.
Decent list. I might merge the Fifth Tier into the Fourth Tier, and I'd include Eli in it. Payton is probably down with Bridgewater, Stafford, etc... for now. And I think Rivers is pretty solidly Third Tier; he has about 1.5 seconds on every throw. Flacco down maybe down with Cutler and Bortles.
Agreed - I forgot about Eli too. It was late when I wrote it. Eli's interesting to me. Is there a more streaky QB out there? When he's got it going, I'd put him up in the third tier, and maybe even with Brady. Problem is, he also has runs where he looks like Ryan Mallett.
Brady is elite. Don't think there was ever a time where he wasn't top5.. Sometimes top3.. And sometimes the best. But Rodgers is on. Whole different level right now, and he's doing it a. Without Kraft and b. Without belichick (and c. Without cheating..). Can you imagine Rodgers/Kraft/belichick?
And is anyone watching the Patriots this year? Brady is literally dumping the ball after 2 seconds, for 10 yard gains. Any other QB would be a ”game manager” playing dink and dunk football. Brady is elite, and kind of reinvented himself this year... But it's not like he's playing some special kind of football. A lot of qbs could fill in that offense.
And is anyone watching the Patriots this year? Brady is literally dumping the ball after 2 seconds, for 10 yard gains. Any other QB would be a ”game manager” playing dink and dunk football. Brady is elite, and kind of reinvented himself this year... But it's not like he's playing some special kind of football. A lot of qbs could fill in that offense.
Brady and Manning (haven't watched Rodgers enough) are the two smartest QBs out there. Brady's best skill is that he can read a defense and audible to a play that will work. And he's still got a great arm, which Peyton lost about halfway through the season last year.
Maybe but nobody I watch leaves Brady out of the top two either. I agree with you that Rogers is in a different class I just don't see how anyone can not put Brady in that class too. I don't care how old Brady is; he is still as good as anyone in the game.
I hear you, I just wanted to show that Rodgers is considered the best in 2015. Given his age and skill level, most people would take him over Brady right now. BTW, I'd take Brady from the year they went undefeated (sans Super Bowl) over 2015 Rodgers.
Nah. He getting elite $$$ doh.
Rogers and Brady are top tier.
Ends there...for now. You have to maintain that high level of play over a substantial period of time to make it to that status.
On a related note...I can't decide if Manning, the elder, holds it together enough for one last SB run this year a la Elway-style. (That defense is stout and they have a semi-decent running game...and i think he has enough in the tank to figure things out and turn things around a bit.) Or if he is a year past his expiration date. Either way...this needs to be his fair well tour.
Rogers and Brady are top tier.
Ends there...for now. You have to maintain that high level of play over a substantial period of time to make it to that status.
On a related note...I can't decide if Manning, the elder, holds it together enough for one last SB run this year a la Elway-style. (That defense is stout and they have a semi-decent running game...and i think he has enough in the tank to figure things out and turn things around a bit.) Or if he is a year past his expiration date. Either way...this needs to be his fair well tour.
Denver's Manning is in trouble right now. I thought he had lost his fastball last year, but now he looks like he's even lost his change up.
No doubt. But somehow they are 6-0. But if he keeps playing that poorly it will catch up to them...especially in the playoffs. Just wondering if he can adapt and play effectively enough for them to make a legit run. Gonna have to change his mental approach and shorten the playbook by limiting the types of patterns he tries to complete. No more cross field stuff...limited deep balls...etc...
Flacco is definitely not elite. Still think he sold his soul for that playoff run in a contract year. Hed been garbage prior to that, and hes been garbage since.
Rodgers may be the best combination of arm, legs, and brain thats ever played the position. Hes incredible to watch.
Maybe Peyton should give Kraft and Belichick a call. They changed their offense for an aging Brady.. Short throws, less time in the pocket, equates to less hits on the QB..
Too bad.. I think the ship sailed.. But if Peyton is going to try and stick around for a few more years.. Denver should invest in an Oline and big white goofball tightends who have no qualms with getting laid out.
Too bad.. I think the ship sailed.. But if Peyton is going to try and stick around for a few more years.. Denver should invest in an Oline and big white goofball tightends who have no qualms with getting laid out.
Brady still has an arm, however. I don't think Manning has an average college arm at this point.
Flacco has a good arm and he is not afraid to make throws into tight spots. That can really play out well in the playoffs on 3rd down and in the 4th quarter when you need to either score or hold the ball. Regular season NFL is very different from NFL Playoffs. I think about a guy like Anquan Bolden. Decent WR during the regular season because against the vast majority of the NFL you can go deep over their heads or underneath for screens, but in the playoffs against great D's when you need to hit those 10 yard cross patterns over the middle to move the chains you need Anquan Bolden's ilk. You also need guys like Flacco and Eli that can and will gun it in their. Mario Manningham was crucial on both NYG teams that won the Super Bowl for the same reason. Its the difference between Peyton Manning and Eli. Peyton can call the right play, but I would still trust Eli to throw the pass.
Just when I think he finally got a good start to the season and playing well. He tosses 2 picks (one wasn't his fault) but then almost throws 2 more.. Not even halfway through the game!
I don't care how good his tools are.. You can't be this derped and still be a top tier QB. Dude is simple.
I don't care how good his tools are.. You can't be this derped and still be a top tier QB. Dude is simple.