Is Pope too nice?

LineSkiCat14

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This is a slight worry of mine, this and recruiting elite level freshman are probably the only things I can think of, that would keep him from being a perennial elite coach.

Im hoping that hes still adjusting to the role and maybe as his own confidence grows and he settles in, that dog in him will come out. If not, then he needs to get a no-nonsense assistant to crawl up in some asses.
 
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kybassfan

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This thread maybe a top five in rafters history. Rarely do you see such a dazzling relentless display of drooling crap in a single thread, The coach has been reduced to Papa Smurf and nearly half a dozen players have bus tracks on their back. This is solid gold and we haven’t even taken the court yet. Paklids unite!!!

Pope does walk slow though. Even slower than KAT ever did.
 
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Artlaibesghost

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This thread is such ********. I got news for all you tough guys. Bobby Knight is dead and so is that style of coaching,alot of you were the same guys I heard whining about Cal yelling to much at the end.
I get it we got beat in a scrimmage game and some of you are pissed but claiming Pope is " too nice" give me a break.
 

mcwildcats04

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If you go back and listen to the Georgetown post-game presser, Pope's voice seemed shot. He had to have done a lot of yelling in the locker room after the game. I doubt any cursing. But had to have done a lot of yelling.
 

Jtf2217

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He is a hardcore sunshine pumper but so far it's all been pretty sunny. Last year a team of leftovers done much better than I expected and until it gets cloudy (if it does) let him pump. However if this thing is going in the toilet it'll suffer the same fate as Cals statements he used to make.
 

Kyfan27

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I know it's a much different level, but I had a coach sort of similar to Pope when I was in high school. Not as positive, but similar. He never outwardly publicly humiliated you, but coming back to the bench after a turnover or defensive breakdown, in the crowd you would think he's clapping for you meanwhile he's clapping while saying things like "what the hell are you thinking" or "get your head out of your ***." At halftime and in the locker room he would go off though and I mean really rip your ***. He just would never humiliate you in public. I have to imagine Pope does the same.
 

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Yes. Where I used to work we had a guy we labeled as Mr. Happy. He was a really nice guy but just over did it in an annoying way.

Can’t be too nice, but Pope didn’t get where he got that fast by being nice guy. Not sure what’s not to understand about that. 10 years from not coaching to blue blood top program in the nation. Guys work for years and don’t accomplish that no matter where they played.

Pope is a killer he just knows how to present himself. I think it’s hilarious people think he’s just some nice pushover. Mark is the type that’s calculated, you can see it when he speaks. Behind the scenes he’s a different guy. Also an NCAA champ and captain on that team. Also got to the NBA without much skill. Now at a blue blood in 10 years. Nice pushovers don’t obtain that. The screaming Bob Knights are over, that doesn’t mean we see what goes on when nobody is around.
 

seccats04

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Can’t be too nice, but Pope didn’t get where he got that fast by being nice guy. Not sure what’s not to understand about that. 10 years from not coaching to blue blood top program in the nation. Guys work for years and don’t accomplish that no matter where they played.

Pope is a killer he just knows how to present himself. I think it’s hilarious people think he’s just some nice pushover. Mark is the type that’s calculated, you can see it when he speaks. Behind the scenes he’s a different guy. Also an NCAA champ and captain on that team. Also got to the NBA without much skill. Now at a blue blood in 10 years. Nice pushovers don’t obtain that. The screaming Bob Knights are over, that doesn’t mean we see what goes on when nobody is around.
I get what you're saying and I'm very optimistic that Pope is the right guy. But let's be honest, he didn't get to UK based on his body of work. He got the job because our top two choices turned us down and Pope played here. He had no NCAAT wins and never won a conference title. BYU finished in 6th place in the B12 his last year there. Most of us thought that was a pretty good year for BYU but his replacement has them in the top 10 in the nation two years later.
 

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I get what you're saying and I'm very optimistic that Pope is the right guy. But let's be honest, he didn't get to UK based on his body of work. He got the job because our top two choices turned us down and Pope played here. He had no NCAAT wins and never won a conference title. BYU finished in 6th place in the B12 his last year there. Most of us thought that was a pretty good year for BYU but his replacement has them in the top 10 in the nation two years later.

The issue with that though, is that Arkansas had him in their short list. That was according to Arkansas guys who report at the time. Pope was quietly making a big name for himself he just jumped before then. I don’t think, had he not played here, he would have been offered but he was good enough to that point given the circumstances. That’s mainly because we wouldn’t have known him to that point and the resume wasn’t there. But we knew to look. The NIL is why he was so appealing.

What I think most forget is this isn’t the era where you need a calipari recruiter. The NIL, the conference, and the brand recruit, you need a coach who players wouldn’t mind playing for who kills it on the court. As we saw last season, pope had a limited roster literally thrown together and beat Duke (final four) and Florida (Champ) and Tennessee’s best team ever, twice. I’m not sure many other coaches in the country could have done that with the roster we had. Pope is exceptionally gifted, it’s a unique situation that I think everyone will see in time.

Pope is already, after 1 year, likely to sign the top recruit in the country due to the brand, NIL, and coaching philosophy. He hasn’t really begun either so when you really think about Pope was the most perfect hire we could have landed. No learning curve as a UK coach, has a war chest, and known as an analytical genius. WITHOUT the NIL, he couldn’t coach here. But with the NIL, there might not be a better hire. Former player, champion, NBA pedigree, analytically intelligent and known as a modern offense guru. And he’s maintaining the family way during an era where another coach couldn’t. In context, no way you leave that on the market. And I was all in on Donovan, and wildly pissed off when we hired him. But there’s something about this and when taken in context with the era and after Calipari’s attempt to destroy us, I be damned if he isn’t the perfect hire.
 
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megablue

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I’m not convinced that CMP is a top-notch recruiter, even with the NIL checkbook.
I know it’s early and I may be wrong … but I have not been that impressed with his pulls.
 

Woodrow24

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I doubt Pope is what people consider as “to nice” as a coach. I could see him being one of those coaches that is stern with his guys without freaking out. I’d say he’s so detailed when he tells one of his players what they have done wrong that they usually can’t rebuttal anything he has to say. No one likes to be told what they do wrong and I’d say even if a player wants to argue with him, they can’t do it because of how thorough he is.
 
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This has been a legitimate concern of mine since Pope came here. Last year we could get up for the big games but then turn around and lose to Vandy, Ole Miss or a Georgia.
It’s great that Pope is such a sunshine pumper but every now and then I want to see him get in someone’s *** if they’re loafing. I saw a lot of loafing tonight and he would just clap and slap their butt when they came back to the bench. That needs to change.
Are you even a fan. To daft ???? Being kind and understanding what he knows the greatness of the Big Blue Nation is not soft, it’s a strength.
 

megablue

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It will be interesting to see if Pope and staff wear suits and ties tonight … a home game.
Usually suits at home and more casual stuff on the road.
 
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TFCat11

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There is no way in hell. There is no universe in which he got that kind of money. He would have been told to hit the road with a demand like that.
Although I don’t believe the $22 million number, let’s pretend it’s real, because it has never been officially refuted… If my math is correct, and UK has 14 players on NIL, that’s an average of almost $1.6 million per player!

Multiple “someone’s” got way more NIL $$$ than their talent would command elsewhere!

However, that’s Pope’s problem to figure out, and if he has the same (or worse ) result as he did last season, with a fraction of the buying power and time to effectively construct this roster… Oh boy, the media will never let us fans and the program live it down, and recruiting will adjust accordingly.
 
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Is there any evidence whatsoever that "being mean" = being a better coach lol.

You have guys that were absolute aholes and they won that way.
You also have guys that were "nice" and they won that way.

I always laugh whenever one of my teams is doing poorly and people are like coach X really needs to chew this team out a bit more. As if that is somehow going to magically turn a bad team into a good one or a good one into a great one lol.

To me, it doesn't matter what coach Pope is. If he's a good coach and he recruits well, he'll do good here. If not, he won't

It won't have anything to do with him being nice or not.
 
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*Fox2Monk*

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Although I don’t believe the $22 million number, let’s pretend it’s real, because it has never been officially refuted… If my math is correct, and UK has 14 players on NIL, that’s an average of almost $1.6 million per player!

Multiple “someone’s” got way more NIL $$$ than their talent would command elsewhere!

However, that’s Pope’s problem to figure out, and if he has the same (or worse ) result as he did last season, with a fraction of the buying power and time to effectively construct this roster… Oh boy, the media will never let us fans and the program live it down, and recruiting will adjust accordingly.
That’s why I don’t believe it. No way anyone after the sixth man got over even a million dollars.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Is there any evidence whatsoever that "being mean" = being a better coach lol.

You have guys that were absolute aholes and they won that way.
You also have guys that were "nice" and they won that way.

I always laugh whenever one of my teams is doing poorly and people are like coach X really needs to chew this team out a bit more. As if that is somehow going to magically turn a bad team into a good one or a good one into a great one lol.

To me, it doesn't matter what coach Pope is. If he's a good coach and he recruits well, he'll do good here. If not, he won't

It won't have anything to do with him being nice or not.
I think it’s more getting them focused. My kids definitely pay more attention when my wife and I are mad than when we are too nice.
 
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I think it’s more getting them focused. My kids definitely pay more attention when my wife and I are mad than when we are too nice.

I think with some maybe from a motivating standpoint.

But then again I think about last year and honestly I think Pope and the team overperformed relative to the strength of the squad.

I'm not really sure he could have squeezed out anything more from that team.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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I think with some maybe from a motivating standpoint.

But then again I think about last year and honestly I think Pope and the team overperformed relative to the strength of the squad.

I'm not really sure he could have squeezed out anything more from that team.
I agree with that, more so about effort like the GTown and Ohio state games.
 

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This has been a legitimate concern of mine since Pope came here. Last year we could get up for the big games but then turn around and lose to Vandy, Ole Miss or a Georgia.
It’s great that Pope is such a sunshine pumper but every now and then I want to see him get in someone’s *** if they’re loafing. I saw a lot of loafing tonight and he would just clap and slap their butt when they came back to the bench. That needs to change.
You don’t have to act like the biggest jerk on the planet ala Danny Hurley to win
 

megablue

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CMP has raised a family of four (4) girls. I am sure that has had an effect on his people-handling skills. I do not mean that in a negative way.
You might laugh, but he might be better-suited to coach women's basketball. The approach is different and the women do not have the egos and testosterone that males do. Women/girls are more eager to listen, follow instructions, play for each other, play together, etc ... than men are.
They easily buy into the notion of PLAY HARD, PLAY SMART and PLAY AS A TEAM !!! They always want to please coaches and teammates.
Although it was at the middle school level, I've coached both boys and girls. Girls were much easier and fun to coach, quite frankly. They LISTEN !!
 
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As of this post, yes. Not sure if he can change, but he is way too nice right now.