is Stoops on the hot seat?
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Put up or shut up is very easy to say on the internet you don't have skin in the game. But it isn't a matter of excuses. It's very simple. To get to a bowl, we will have to beat Southern Miss, NMS, Vandy, Missouri, Austin Peay, plus either South Carolina, Mississippi State, or Louisville. Stoops has never beaten Mississippi State or Louisville, but he has owned South Carolina. So there you have it. Southern Miss is 1 of the biggest trap games we have scheduled since Stoops got here. They are better than LA Lafayette. Their offensive coordinator knows our players, and we must open with them while we are breaking in our new offense and spoon feeding a young quarterback. If Stoops doesn't win 6 this year, I expect the anti-Stoops crowd to come out in force, screaming we should have hired Petrino and other nonsense like that. But my opinion is that 2017 will be Stoops' breakout year. Everyone I know feels that he gets 5 years to deliver, then things must keep improving as his classes mature after that. To quote a poster on another thread, Stoops is everything Kentucky fans could possibly want in a football coach, but many still haven't figured that out. Including you, apparently.
You have made it clear that you don't like our coach, and that you have a condescending attitude toward fans who disagree with you. I have a question. Did you play football in college?
I would guess he did.
But probably a better question for a lot of posters would be whether they even played in high school.
Did you?
And if you didn't it doesn't necessarily mean you know nothing about the game.
He does it on purpose. Unlike other trolls on this board, he's probably an actual UK fan, and not a UofLoL fan, but he does like to start threads with dumb questions just to fish for flame wars. He does it all the time.
Did you? IF you did, I would wager that you played for the University of Louisville.
You are right about WKU. My question was in reference to this past season though. We were not favored in any game that we lost this season.
Okay. Stoops took over a UK team with one of the worst rosters in college football. He's recruiting at a level that we have never seen at UK. He hasn't lost a game in the past two season that UK was favored in. In those same two seasons he has won games that he wasn't favored in. It would take a complete moron to consider that underachieving.
I hear what you're saying, but the flip side of that argument is we have only been favored in 2 SEC games during the Stoops era - Vandy 2014 and Mizzou 2015. So there were only 2 conference games where we could have possibly "under-performed" in 3 years.
A better metric might be performance against the spread we are 15-21 over the 3 years. It's not unusual to under-perform during a period of rebuilding, staff changes, and major player turnover. Hopefully that period of the Stoops era is ending and we can start showing some success.
2013: Cats were favored in 3 games (WKU, Miami O., AL State) and went 2-1 losing to WKU as a 4 point fav; went 4-7-1 ATS
2014: Cats were favored in 4 games (UT Martin, OH, Vandy, ULM) and went 4-0 AND won as a 4 point 'dawg to SC; went 6-5-1 ATS
2015: Cats were favored in 4 games (ULL, MO, EKU, NC Charlotte) and went 4-0 AND won as a 7 point 'dawg to SC; went 3-9 ATS
Against SEC opponents the Cats have been favored only twice in the past 3 seasons (Vandy in 2014 and MO last year) but have beaten SC twice as a 'dawg.
Sources: Phil Steele (2013, 2014) and Inside Vegas (2015).
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I didn't keep track of the betting lines but if we weren't favored against Vandy then that's an indictment of our program. UL we were dogs but we should have been favored. We've solidly out recruited them for 4 consecutive classes now plus all the ill gotten Hurtt recruits are gone. I'm still of the mind that we should be beating UL by now but we aren't. The big problem for Stoops right now is that it's time for his big name recruits to lead us and they either aren't panning out or have just been mediocre players thus far. Elam, Barker, Dorian, Hatcher, etc. Most are play and playing decent but they aren't playing at the level we need them to.
You didn't get them playing college football. Football players don't wear makeup.
did I ever tell you how I got these scars?
There are several tetter/totter games that could go either way. So.Miss Vandy,USCjr and Mizzou. If Stoops wins all four we are bowling no hot seat. If he loses all four he's gone. Win two and his seat is warm but he gets 2017.
Falser than false. we could go 2-10 and he is head coach in 2017. you do not understand money or finance or economics if you think this athletic department will cut him a check for $12 million this December, you just don't.
Mark Stoops is not on the hot seat. He has undeniably improved the program, and continues to do so. He has the full support of his boss. He would be on the hot seat in 2017 if the team fails to continue to improve, but that is a matter of interpretation, and he would have the benefit of the doubt with his boss. Ultimately, his ability to turn the program around could depend on the degree of fan support during the inevitable ups and downs of trying to become a winner in the SEC. He could improve the team without improving the record, in the short term. It would be a shame if impatient fans run off a winner before his transition starts paying off.
I personally think it is really unfair to judge DB on what little playing time he got last year. By the time he was thrown into the dumpster fire that was UK last season, he didn't stand a chance. And the fact that he had zero playing time before that is not his fault. will DB set the world on fire this year instead of it being another dumpster fire, who knows, all I know is that the job is his to lose and I fully expect him to start and do fairly well, if not, then next man up. As for Patrick Towles leaving, he had talent and a strong arm, but a QB needs more than that. DB has both of those ingredients as well, PT held the ball way too long especially given the porous nature of the OL last year. I think that with an improvement in the OL which to me is a given this year, and DB's ability to make quicker decisions than PT, coupled with the fact that we will be much more experienced and deeper this year on offense, I am looking for an improved offense and that makes our D better as well because they will get more rest. Couple all of this with new attitudes, better S&C and better coaching with the new OC and I am hoping for a minor bowl appearance this year.
I'm not sure he's on it as of yet, but there are a couple of things that could happen which could put him on it in a hurry or even vindicate him to a certain degree.
If he were to lose to Shannon Dawson the first game of the year, (ouch).
The Towles Barker comparisons are meaningless now to most people, as it should be, but after each plays Louisville this year, it could become very meaningful depending on how it plays out.
If he were to lose to Shannon Dawson the first game of the year, (ouch).
The Towles Barker comparisons are meaningless now to most people, as it should be, but after each plays Louisville this year, it could become very meaningful depending on how it plays out.
This didn't answer the question. You simply provided your continuous support w/o merit.
He may or may not be on the hot seat "now"....but another second half collapse, a season of making the same mistakes from the first game to the last, or simply a miserable record, then yes...he will most certainly be on the hot seat. Mitch will then have a decision to make.
You can throw out the money factor next year if the above happens.