You could say this is the problem in all the world.Here's the problem in the M.E.
Israel/Palestine Conflict
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Meh, I don’t think Iran is causing the problems all around the world, many different sources are capable and currently being part of the problem including us.
Money/power is the problem in the world and peoples incessant desire for it.
Lets see...
Iran funding/helping Hamas(and other Palestinian terrorist groups)
Iran supplying Hezbollah.
Iran sending hundreds of missiles and weapons to Russia.
Iran sending missiles, intelligence, and training Houthis.
They are doing a great job of destabilizing the world. Not to make it too political and its probably just a huge coincidence, but all this really picked up once Iran got access to the 6-10 billion in October/November.
We are and have been funding Iran during Barry's tenure and Biden's "tenure". So I would say we have been a problem. Who are the traitors inside the Washington mafia working with?
I thought you died several years ago, John McCain. Welcome back baby!Here's the problem in the M.E.
Israel has never attacked them out of nowhere. Not once ever.
Muslims have no desire for peace until everyone else in the world is subjugated to them.
Very analogous to Russia saying Ukraine is just an area of Russia and has no right to exist separately.
Very much so. You could say it starts back in Genesis, which is true, but more recently 1948. The history of Jerusalem alone is a wild and crazy ride as well.
Aren't we coming up on "Ramadan Bomb-a-thon"?
One of Gassy's greatest contributions imo.
One of Gassy's greatest contributions imo.
So building homes on their empty land and shooting at them if they come back to their land later isn’t a attack?
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Show me proof of this happening and I'll comment on it. Until then, I'll default to supporting Israel over terrorists and the people who put them in power.
But it's important to bare in mind that while there are bad actors and often bad leaders on both sides the vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians are just regular people that want to live their lives.
That's why I think it's much more important to focus on solutions rather than blame.
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She and most who side with "Palestine"
have zero clue about history or even their current feelings. Israel can't turn Gaza, or Iran for that matter, to glass fast enough for me.
This.
Palestine is an area of land, analogous to what we call the Midwest, and was never a people or a nation. In this case, it stretched from Mediterranean to somewhere into the Arabian desert. If the other side had won WWI, they would be part of the Ottoman Empire. Arabs, over the years, have said they are not a people and they should be part of Syria or other surrounding Arab nation. It wasn't until Israel was born that the narrative changed and they started saying that they were a distinct people from the other Arabs in the region and needed a homeland.
The situation with Palestinians is very similar to the historical situation with Native Americans in this country.
Native Americans were never a "country" either but they would argue it didn't justify mass relocation of them by the US government. But OTOH you can argue that the world is a much better place when you look at what became of the United States which is now the leading industrialized national where 330 million people mostly lie in a comparatively high standard with freedom and security. Similarly Israel took a hunk of sand deeded to them by the United Nations, relocated millions of Palestinians and turned it into a modern industrialized country in the form of a democracy which is home to not only Jews but about 3 million Arabs as well.
So people can draw their own conclusions about the rightness or wrongness of the historical events. But once again, why worry about who's "right" and who's "wrong" that accomplishes nothing? Instead world leaders and citizens should think about a solution where ALL the people in the region can live in peace and security.
The big difference being that every so often, Native Americans don't abruptly start beheading babies then crying foul because there was a response.
While what you say sounds good in theory, there is no rationalizing with a group of people getting up everyday looking to eradicate a race of people.
Native Americans, though, are a distinct, unique, people. It could be argued that they are entitled to a "homeland" because they were not part of the Europeans that took over their land. The people who lived in Palestine are not a unique people. The thought of Palestinian people, unique from the surrounding Arabs, didn't take hold until the birth of Israel. Had Israel never been formed, no one would be talking the Palestinians as a people because they are no different from the people living around them.
I support Israel and Ukraine. Israel has seized West Bank land for settlements. That land is designated for Arabs, just like Gaza. Those settlements are defended with deadly force. That you don’t know this and deny that it’s happened doesn’t put a burden on me of showing you “proof” - whatever that might be to you.
None of that has anything to do with Israel’s repeated seizure of land designated for Arabs whether there’s a country there or not.
I can agree with every part of this except the last sentence. There is NO WAY that there will be peace from Palestinians until every Jew is dead or gone. You fundamentally misunderstand Islam if you think they can co-exist.
"If the Palestinians lay down their weapons, they'll be no more war. If the Israelis lay down their weapons, they'll be no more Israel".
Israel was a country up until about 70 AD as I understand it. Long, long time ago, but still.
"Palestinians" aren't a thing. They're not a nation. So no, they don't own that land.
They are Arab people regardless of how one chooses to define them beyond that, nation, nomads, whatever. But the land Israelis are settling were designated by the UN for them, not Jews or anyone else. As I said, by your reasoning you could helicopter in and stake a claim to it. Nonsense.
Touch the Indians! And I love them, have tats referring to them and think they’re badass, but it’s never anyone’s land, EVER. Because it will change hands at some point, the USA will not be the USA one day, that’s a fact.
If you can’t defend “your land”, it ain’t yours anymore, that’s life. If you have a wallet and I have a gun and take it, it’s no longer your wallet, it’s mine. You couldn't defend your wallet anymore.
No one has a claim to anything. This world gives and takes, claim whatever you want, the universe couldn’t care less, it owns us all. Go buy property on the California coast and watch the earth reclaim it as its own, then ask for it back…
I'm not arguing that anyone has a claim to anything. I was simply pointing out that native Americans are a unique people so they are not analogous to what is referred to as Palestinians. And I agree with you. If we are going to unravel the middle east and return it to the original inhabitants, don't we have to unravel every piece of land on earth and do the same?
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One of the biggest memes in the world is the native americans land was stolen. Yeah, and that land was stolen from some other tribe thousands of years ago. And on and on. Hell, my neighbors land was stolen by the US government, for highway expansion.
Palestinians don't want a solution. They've been offered their own state multiple times and refused it each time. The only "solution" they will accept is the death of all Jews in Israel.