It happened. Ryan Young in the transfer portal.
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Sure seems like this is an attempt to bully me on-line. Why stoop to this level, dude?
I think he’s a great kid and thank him and wish him well. But do you think it took Ryan 4 years to finally figure out that Collins is a bad coach? I give Ryan a lot more credit than that.
#safespace
yup, all the makings of a woke program and the results one should expect in life.
Then a part time starter, then a bench player. Kind of makes sense that he would look to transfer in that context, especially when he was mostly effective in the minutes he got.
He’s not a guy who could carry a program in the B1G, but should’ve played more. Can understand some significant frustration.
RY got his piece of paper, 3.8 GPA it seems. Makes this summer a bit different.
If RY thought CC was a good coach he’d think we were one decent frontcourt player in the portal away from being competitive. Instead he bolted.
You are just flat out wrong about Collins. You make some snide remarks about Young’s shots and speculation about why he is leaving. There is not one damm good thing about this occurring. Your only decent big man is leaving. Not good. No way you can spin it any other way. To do so requires complete intellectual dishonesty.
Every color commentator questioned CC’s strategy, decisions and what are players did, such as our shot selection. I was paid very well to take a position similar to yours, but there is no money at stake here. It is not that hard to admit you are/were wrong. I have done it a number of times. Not hard.
Could NU be playing the social media game to pay trolls to feed us **** and tell them it’s chocolate? Really? Am I the only one with a high IQ that would see through that crap?
Oh geez, please tell me that NU has not been paying gordie, coral, corbi to banter w me. What a waste of their money. But nice of them to spend it on me I guess…
I hate to tell you guys this, but Gordie's numbers are not accurate.
They are way off.
But "strangely" only for two guys - Young and Beran.
The other 3 are correct.
Its as if he just changed the numbers to criticize a guy who is leaving the team, then used the false numbers as a platform for airing all sorts of invalid criticisms.
Not cool, if thats what happened.
| Player | FGA / 40 mins (all games) | FGA / 40 mins (conf games) |
|---|---|---|
| Buie | 16.3 | 16.2 |
| Audige | 16.1 | 16.2 |
| Nance | 16.4 | 15.2 |
| Young | 14.0 | 13.8 |
| Berry | 11.7 | 11.8 |
| Beran | 9.2 | 9.2 |
| Simmons | 8.1 | 9.2 |
| Williams | 9.5 | 9.1 |
| Roper | 7.8 | 7.1 |
| Greer | 7.4 | 6.5 |
Obviously Audige shoots too much. Everybody knows that. But these numbers are pretty much what you'd expect.. Young was 4th and Beran was 6th in shooting frequency.
Here's where I got the numbers
If Young wants to be closer to home, he has a number of mid- and low-major options in the CAA, A10, Patriot and MAAC with teams graduating their Centers. His initial offer list only had Maryland from P6 and then a host of teams from the AAC, A10, Patriot, America East, CAA, Ivy, and NEC. Per 247 he took unofficials to Michigan, ND, Stanford, St. Joe's, GW and Richmond.
Assuming he wants to be a starter, Michigan, Stanford, St. Joe's are definitely out, GW has a coaching change and aren't very good, Notre Dame could definitely be an option depending on how many guys are leaving. Richmond likely wouldn't be a good fit stylistically.
IU, assuming TJD goes pro, will have just two frontcourt players on the team next year as backup C Michael Durr is transferring...
Assuming he wants to be a starter, Michigan, Stanford, St. Joe's are definitely out, GW has a coaching change and aren't very good, Notre Dame could definitely be an option depending on how many guys are leaving. Richmond likely wouldn't be a good fit stylistically.
IU, assuming TJD goes pro, will have just two frontcourt players on the team next year as backup C Michael Durr is transferring...
You have a hard time with differing opinions, it appears. And “snide” remarks on a message board? Wow - I didn’t realize I had cornered the market on that. And speculation - it may ultimately be proven wrong, but it’s obviously not wrong, by definition.
I also never said Young’s leaving was good.
But I would also not pretend RY is our savior in waiting. In my opinion, we are not going to the dance with RY as our key guy. He’s a great kid and solid player, but it’s just not going to happen. If Collins wants to retain his job, he needs a better big man. And he’s still (for now) got MN as a backup.
And I highly doubt Collins is going to (or should) change his whole scheme anyway and dump it down low even more (I noted earlier that RY has the highest ratio of FGA/MP). If we increased his minutes relative to Beran, that would have helped to the tune of about 2-3 points per game. That’s because Beran underperforms relative to everyone offensively; key question has always been if defense was enough for Collins to play Beran more; our adjusted defensive efficiency would say we were better in 2021-22, though we can’t attribute that just to playing Beran more over Young).
All in all, it’s not clear at all that the metrics support lots more of RY as a wise strategy for the team to improve significantly. A great defender and a decent or better offensive threat (especially from 3) will work for a big man.
And you’ll not get me to say Collins is a bad coach. Like many before him at NU, good coaches lose their jobs. He may certainly lose his soon (and all I’ve ever said was he should not lose it this year after the objective improvements that I showed that we made), and that may be better for the program to start fresh, but that does not make him a bad coach.
I will not get into what the commentators say because most people believe them when it fits their own argument but are quick to dismiss them as talking heads when not.
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Dude. The ‘could this absurd number possibly make sense’ test would be helpful.
Chase was far and away the least efficient scorer, as measured by that number. Young was 13% better than anyone else on the team.
Audige: 236 points, 260 FGA, .91
Young: 278 points, 186 FGA, 1.49
Nance: 437 points, 334 FGA, 1.31
Boo: 436 points, 373 FGA, 1.17
For fun:
Beran: 197/156, 1.26
Roper: 116/114, 1.02
Berry: 230/201, 1.14
Nicholson (lololol): 27/13
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Give us your knowledgeable prediction so we may judge your competency? Or as some say, inquiring minds want to know?
I expected any of the three frosh or MN to be first. I wonder in MN stays with a clear path to start. I would be stunned if we retain more than one of the frosh.
4th in pts per game last year, 3rd in rebounds per game, but distant 8th in minutes played…
Why wouldn’t he leave? I would in his shoes. He got his degree. Go play somewhere else and have some fun. Maybe he wants an actual shot at playing in the tourney.
Sucks for NU basketball. Collins better be working the portal hard or next year is going to be dismal.
The stats you posted for Young and Berans FGA/min are grotesquely inaccurate.
If you hadn't blocked me you would know this and wouldn't keep embarrassing yourself.
Wtf are you talking about now? You are relentless, like my Cat when it wants food.
I'm saying Chris Collins is stunned that Ryan Young left the team, suddenly realizes that our frontcourt is a mess, suddenly realizes that he should have been getting Nicholson minutes and is lying his assoff to try to keep Nicholson from leaving.
If he gets a good big guy in the offseason, he will bench Nicholson, as sure as I'm breathing.
I wish Ryan the best of luck next year and going forward. He's a really nice kid, talented, and smart.
I hope he gets a starting gig at a solid mid major that needs his style of center. He'll do great for whoever picks him up and it would be great if he is part of a team that competes in its conference and maybe makes the tournament.
I think he was wise to leave as regardless his personal talent and drive, he is obviously not the kind of center Collins wants on the court. I dunno if Collins will get that kind of center, but clearly he wants a tall, agile kid who can shoot the three, and I don't think Ryan would have been our starting center next year because he hasn't magically become the guy Collins wants in that position. I don't think we have that center on the team, so the other guys will get court time, but I won't be surprised if Collins brings in another center who looks more like a Nance than a Young.
Given everything we've seen from Collins' lineups, it does seem like Young was a bad recruiting choice. Not because Young is a bad recruit, but he isn't built to play the way Collins wants.
I hope he gets a starting gig at a solid mid major that needs his style of center. He'll do great for whoever picks him up and it would be great if he is part of a team that competes in its conference and maybe makes the tournament.
I think he was wise to leave as regardless his personal talent and drive, he is obviously not the kind of center Collins wants on the court. I dunno if Collins will get that kind of center, but clearly he wants a tall, agile kid who can shoot the three, and I don't think Ryan would have been our starting center next year because he hasn't magically become the guy Collins wants in that position. I don't think we have that center on the team, so the other guys will get court time, but I won't be surprised if Collins brings in another center who looks more like a Nance than a Young.
Given everything we've seen from Collins' lineups, it does seem like Young was a bad recruiting choice. Not because Young is a bad recruit, but he isn't built to play the way Collins wants.
So if that's the kind of Center Collins wants, why the heck did he give scholarships to Young and Nicholson? And the jury is out on Hunger but he appears more in the mode of those two. Granted, the phenotype you cite doesn't grow on trees, but Collins needs to be realistic and play a system that fits the guys he can actually get to commit rather than hold out for the guys he can't get to run "his" system .
I do agree with this. However, 2 years ago Young started. It was last season that he decided it was going to be Nance at the 5. I did not see big changes in the offense. It was still the same offense, just with a less conventional center. If Young stayed I'd guess he'd be back in the starting five a playing heavy minutes, same offense. Collins might prefer a 5 that can shoot the 3, but he'll go with best available.
Funny thing is that the description of the tall agile who can shoot the 3 fits exactly two players in the B1G: Nance and Bingham. And Bingham played 18.7 minutes and only became a threat from 3 this year as a senior.
Others:
WI/Crowl - 31.7% from three, not agile
IL/Kofi - no outside shot
PU/Edey/Williams - no outside shot
IA/Rebraca - 16.7% from 3
OSU - No real center, Key and Young don't shoot well from 3, Liddel does at 4.
RU - Omuruyi - no outside shot
UNL/Walker - did not attempt a 3
MN/Curry - 8.3% from 3
PSU/Harrar - no outside shot
MD/Wahab - no outside shot
IN/TJD - no outside shot
MI/Dickinson - good shooter, not agile
Maybe we could all go to the nearest forest and look for unicorns
I don't know, obviously I'm just speculating in all events, so my guess is he followed the 'recruit the best available at the position we can get' mentality, because again Young came in a decent center and has gotten better, just not apparently the way Collins wants - based on his playing time.
Perhaps Collins decided he wants to run three forwards and two guards or two forwards and three guards?
I can't come up with better reasoning on why Young's minutes were so limited. It wasn't personal animosity or we'd have seen more from the other bigs sitting behind Young. It wasn't inefficiency, Young did great in limited minutes in most games - some guys clearly owned him, but generally he was good at his job. It wasn't foul trouble, he was pretty good about that, again in limited minutes. I suppose it could be health related, Young did sometimes seem to be tired and slow down towards the end of games even with limited playing time. Maybe some long covid or something?
There just aren't a lot of reasons beyond play style to keep Young out, and I admit I give Collins enough credit to believe he has had plans, schemes, and chose his lineups with some intentionality. A method to his madness exists, even if it hasn't manifested the way he wants.
Per kenpom, (Using B1G stats only) RY had a slight decrease in %Min from 47.0 to 42.7. With that decrease in minutes, his %Poss increased from 21.7 to 26.6 and %Shots upped from 18.6 to 22.7. However, his ORTG declined from 108 to 100. His 2PFG% declined to 50.9% from 58.5%, and his FT% dipped to 60% (36-60) from 70.7% (29-41). All this to say, he definitely got his shots up in a shorter amount of time, and his offensive effectiveness declined. Arguably, his best night was when he was the fulcrum at Sparty - 18 pts on 12 shots (including 6-8 from FT, and pulling down 8 rebs).
I understand that perception that if CCC kept RY as the fulcrum, he could've maintained that. Based on his actions, CCC didn't believe that was sustainable, or it was ultimately a lower ceiling for the team. Personally, I think him expecting more out of Audige offensively was perhaps the bigger sin.
Luke Hunger is listed as 6-10, dunks the ball easily, and can make 3-pointers. So I kind of expect Collins to use him in a Pete Nance role. I actually liked what little I saw of Nicholson, he's aggressive and actually moves well. Collins just needs to figure out how best to utilize him, maybe in an Alex Olah role.