It was fun while it lasted
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I agree with you. But he could have been a good man and went through the proper process with his accusation and gotten the same results.
Going the social media road is not being a good man.
If he had not gotten his point across with head head talks then going the social media road might have been the right move.
So Martin lied about telling Brown about things and he lied about his high school coach saying VK has a slave-owner mentality. Yet, Lyons doesn’t have balls to punish Kerry and no one in the WV sports media will hold Lyon’s feet to the fire over these inconsistencies due to fear of press passes being taken away.
This. I’m not ashamed of what we were. It’s 1000x better than what we are now. We jumped the shark after the 2011 Orange Bowl as a program and as a fan base.
2020 football is going to suck on so many levels. We will be average at best and the environment right now is beyond toxic.
“the environment” = everything (sports, politics, economy)
I hope Neal gets enough cache (wins) that if this happens in the future, he can handle this internally and tell people to **** the hell off if they don’t like his decision. What an awful spot this kid has been put into in his second year. He has no leverage beyond a guaranteed salary. Wins will fix that.
I will say this, Neal seems like a good guy and if he gets the wins, he is relatable enough that he will be a great recruiter. That being said, Neal needs a media session with our ****** AD sitting right next to him and hash this out live. No punches pulled. Give gag order restrictions at the beginning and then present what they can legally. Acting like nothing happened will be used as negative recruiting. Pretending people (donors) are going to forget this is asinine.
He’s a big part of it. This isn’t OSU. We don’t need to be OSU. Unless he can get us into the Big 10, then screw using OSU as a model.
I’m guessing Vic and Martin are likely equally vocal in their beliefs and that is what caused the friction. In real life, Martin STFU and gets his “education” done and moves on (pro football). In 2020? No. Let’s bypass proper channels (Martin seems to be a lying POS) and ruin someone’s family name (he has a wife and kids after all). Meanwhile, Martin gets to rub it in with some Koran BS on Twitter. I don’t want any player that comes here because of that outcome.
Neal needs to sit down with Martin.
Today.
Ask him what the singular **** he was thinking and suspend him. Bring a copy on how to use the Transfer Portal and tell him to decide if he is a WVU football player within a week or he will decide it for him.
BLM is a financial clearing house for the DNC. Either you are ignorant or intentionally obtuse to declare otherwise.
It was hard, but after a few years, I was able to separate WVU into 3 buckets
1) Academic: Everything I have achieved is based on my education and WVU is part of that. I will always support that arm.
2) WVU INC: The corporate end. Especially WVU Hospitals/UHA. It order to get more stuff, they have abandoned everything I grew to respect about WVU. I’m pretty sure we are never going back to where we were. Better financially? I’m sure. Better ethically? Heck no.
3) WVU sports. Read the OP.
This will never happen. The findings will never be posted. It’s going to sweptunder the rug and then you have these “WVU reporters” who won’t dare ask Shane a hard question, just like they feared asking Luck hard questions when he was here due to fears of WVU pulling press passes.
I believe that you would agree with me quite often, if you were to spend some time on the off-topic discussion board. It appears that we're both fed up with the "woke" cancel culture that is ruining this country.
Hell, I thought this was the off-topic forum, due to TVZ ruining any and all sports related discussion with his anti-American, hurt feelings.
The only way to win this culture war is to stand up to the mob over crap like an OAN news shirt your wore fishing far away from work, or a coach speaking his opinion about his beliefs., etc, etc. But we are now in a downhill spiral because we have people like Neal Brown, a devout Christian, bowing to the cancel culture mob and letting good men like Vic go over it. Lyons has no backbone. Brown has no backbone. Gundy has no backbone. They are scared to stand up for what they believe and tell it like it is. As long as we keep doing this, we are headed down the tubes as a nation no matter who is elected. We are basically letting a bunch of wussies beat us into submission with their fake hurt feelings form **** that doesnt even exist anymore.
It goes like this, Gundy calls Shakka Kahn or whatever, and says, look son, one of lifes big lessons is learning how to get along with people who share different views. Did my tee shirt hurt you? No, it didnt. Did it own slaves? Ummm, no. Then step up to the plate, be a man and learn to get along with others. Im not responsible for what people did 200 years ago, and oan isnt either, and no one is responsible for your feelings except you, period. Grow up or pack your bags, I dont give a fk how good you are. And if OSU fires him, sue the fkn **** out of them. Cancel cancel culture or we are screwed...
It goes like this, Gundy calls Shakka Kahn or whatever, and says, look son, one of lifes big lessons is learning how to get along with people who share different views. Did my tee shirt hurt you? No, it didnt. Did it own slaves? Ummm, no. Then step up to the plate, be a man and learn to get along with others. Im not responsible for what people did 200 years ago, and oan isnt either, and no one is responsible for your feelings except you, period. Grow up or pack your bags, I dont give a fk how good you are. And if OSU fires him, sue the fkn **** out of them. Cancel cancel culture or we are screwed...
How can you not bring up politics? Isn't that what Martin did, or tried to do, to hurt Vic and get him out of WVU by ranting on social media? He is making this literally a black vs. white issue. Don't believe me? Read his Instagram comments. Yes, i understand it's about not hurting WVU's football reputation, our recruiting, or limiting collateral damage. However, this doesn't seem right at all and from what we've seen it's kind of hard to fully believe Martin's version of events. Coach Vic's comments more than likely get taken out of context and now he's out of a job. So, basically, he's made as a sacrificial lamb on the alter of being progressive and sharing his Christian views just so WVU can continue on with business?
There is nothing wrong with opposing BLM. BLM has a website and charter that includes leaders who are admitted Marxists and a bunch of irrelevant far left ideology like divestment in Isreal, dissolution of the nuclear family, fostering the idea that large swathes of the US are vehemently racist, etc... BLM is just using a well known tactic where you use a label that is very palatable and then push as much extraneous garbage under that umbrella as possible. It's like if I were to create a "We love puppies" movement that includes a ridiculous tax on people with other pets. Then when someone opposes me based upon the ******** in my platform, I can just claim that they "must not love puppies." I agree with the statement that black lives matter. But I will never say it in association with that movement because I refuse to give validity to their presumptions such as the foundation of the American system is racist which cannot be fixed and thus must be torn down.
I wonder if Kerry, or any of these other "woke" athletes, have even read BLM's manifesto or mission statement on their website. Scary stuff. BLM is essentially calling for the abolition of the western concept of the nuclear family. How does not having a mother and father help the marginalized who already come from fatherless homes? Saul Alinsky 101 right there.
Steeler - again the only way we can evaluate how this was handled by Coach Koenning, the player, the Athletic Department and President Gee is for the entire investigation report to be made public. "A trust us" just won't answer the questions. I suggest that HCNB is not a happy camper despite the statement he made after the ax fell. If that supposition is correct then his resume might be out by mid-season. IMHO that would be a shame - if someone asked the question "HCNB or Gee" the answer HCNB
If I were a coach, at this point I'd refuse to recruit any black players. Let it backfire on the little race-baiters.
I like to think I’m somewhat woke, but I hate being told what woke means and that I need to apologize to folks over something half of my ancestors (my moms side came from Italy in the 1930s) weren’t even a party to and my other half (Irish Indentured servants) were treated about 25% better and doing the exact same work.
I support equality, and I would support BLM if they were not a fund raising arm of the Democrats. Give me an organization where 100% of their money went to improving education and equal pay for POCs then sign me up. BLM is 700 Club of civil rights. You need to pay to get on the ride, but don’t look behind the curtain as to where your money is going.
In other words, **** 2020. I want off this ride.
It celebrates the mess this country has become and wants to expound upon it. Why make things better when we can just lower the bar and make that “normal”. I thought Idiocracy was a great movie until someone decided to use it as a social experiment.
This victim mentality has to quit.
I am sorry. But all I am hearing is people trying to promote this narrative that is so far from the truth.
I am sorry. But all I am hearing is people trying to promote this narrative that is so far from the truth.
Is it .
BLM is mainsteam
All over pro sports.
If they are giving money to the Democrats you have to ask what is wrong with the Republicans.
Probably the reason why you have so many conservatives upset with the direction Trump is taking the party.
Republicans won't be able to win in many states if it is perceived as against people who aren't white.
You know a thing about Marxist...
They get a little bit of money into their pocket and they aren't Marxists anymore.
Only time Communism was ever a threat in this country was because it was what Soviet Union was promoting into our country to control domestic and foreign policy.
United States is way too selfish of a country.
People only care about themselves.
So ultimately it isn't the threat some of you want it to be.
Our minds are important.
Make sure you put the correct things into them
The media, other than Outkick, doesn’t have the balls to ask the NFL, MLB, and NBA the hard questions because they know press passes will be revoked. Same with those who report on WVU sports. Optics is the big thing now and a privately ran sector than needs fans to support their inflated contracts and egos and new stadiums. These sports teams and companies kowtow to the social media brigade because they are the loudest and most aggressive, even though it does not represent the majority.
No donations from those public companies because they are afraid of cancel culture and twitter backlash. The owner of Red Bull and the owner of Goya foods (both non-traded companies) has stated he supports Trump and will not back down and the supermarkets can’t even keep their product on the shelves.
Clay Travis uses his site to push his politics.
Everyone has that freedom but just have to understand Clay Travis is on the extreme.
Just have to know when you read anything from that site what you are getting.
He doesn't even understand his own city.
It was a shock to him the way Nashville is moving.
World is a huge place with people who think way differently than you.
If you expect everything in life to promote your viewpoint life is going to suck and you are forcing your into a bubble.
Have to understand why things are the way they are
Once you can do that you accept things much easier.
Players have a lot of control in sports.
They are the ones who bring people out.
Nothing they are promoting is crazy...
People should have just allowed Colin to take his knee. Would have been much easier and we wouldn't see the backlash the way we do.
Most players saw what happened with Colin as disrespect.
You told him that his voice didn't matter. In truth all you did was make him and what he was speaking about even bigger.
If you expect everything in life to promote your viewpoint life is going to suck and you are forcing your into a bubble.
Have to understand why things are the way they are
Once you can do that you accept things much easier.
Players have a lot of control in sports.
They are the ones who bring people out.
Nothing they are promoting is crazy...
People should have just allowed Colin to take his knee. Would have been much easier and we wouldn't see the backlash the way we do.
Most players saw what happened with Colin as disrespect.
You told him that his voice didn't matter. In truth all you did was make him and what he was speaking about even bigger.
he used to be on the election team for Bill Clinton and says he is a democrat He takes a lot harder left stances on more conservative subjects and is the least “political” pundit out there. He goes after the Covid hysteria crowd hard and rightfully so. He just holds the sports media and the players accountable for their actions and calls them out on it, unlike ESPN, which is quickly becoming obsolete.
This is when reality doesn't meet what you are saying....
Clay Travis is like a little kid who never grew up and attempts to use his site to control what happens.
When things don't turn out how he likes he acts like an 8 year old.
Reason why he is always crying out for attention 100% of the time.
Doesn't understand where we are as a country. He doesn't have a large enough following to change things.
When things change he attempts to pull back even harder.
On him as a person to realize this and to grow up.
I think he's the best out there today. I listen to Outkick the Coverage every morning, beginning at 6:00 a.m.
What are my other accounts?
None of those other accounts that I have are being used on this site.
Once again you are wrong.
Life is too short to find things to be pissed off about.
People like Clay Travis attempt to find things for people to be angry about.
Either you understand this or you don't.
But as we see here...
Very easy to find the people who for whatever reason are filled with anger.
Most of this **** has zero impact on their life.
How does Kentucky changing their arena change my life?
I don't live there. Don't care what Kentucky does with their arena
Texass and his merry band of handles is in his glory haha. So funny from afar. You need to get a life.
My life is coming here and speaking the truth.
Some of these people actually think it would have been smart for WVU to take a stand and say that they want to keep a coach who uses his position of power to promote bigoted views
They can't remove politics. Rather a sad time when everything is so political.
On us to turn this ******** off.
All they are doing is getting people angry so they vote a certain way.
Truthfully I find it disrespectful that they consider us so stupid.
We aren't their puppets. Especially their puppets for things that make zero sense.
A couple of years ago they found an unmarked cemetery in the Houston area.
This was where they threw the dead prison laborers from the Sugarland Plantation.
The ones who died working the sugar fields in the middle of the summer
A lot of them were locked up on laws created by the state to arrest black men for what they called vagrancy.
People who didn't have a job in a place where blacks couldn't get a job.
https://ibw21.org/reparations/a-fate-worse-than-slavery-unearthed-in-sugar-land/
This is why Black Lives should Matter because a lot of time they didn't.
Some of these people actually think it would have been smart for WVU to take a stand and say that they want to keep a coach who uses his position of power to promote bigoted views
They can't remove politics. Rather a sad time when everything is so political.
On us to turn this ******** off.
All they are doing is getting people angry so they vote a certain way.
Truthfully I find it disrespectful that they consider us so stupid.
We aren't their puppets. Especially their puppets for things that make zero sense.
A couple of years ago they found an unmarked cemetery in the Houston area.
This was where they threw the dead prison laborers from the Sugarland Plantation.
The ones who died working the sugar fields in the middle of the summer
A lot of them were locked up on laws created by the state to arrest black men for what they called vagrancy.
People who didn't have a job in a place where blacks couldn't get a job.
https://ibw21.org/reparations/a-fate-worse-than-slavery-unearthed-in-sugar-land/
This is why Black Lives should Matter because a lot of time they didn't.
Another anti white...anti America...anti law and order...neo racist...pompous...full of self righteous ********...posting from the resident weenie...TVZ/JV.