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Stop picking on me! lol thanks for answering my ?...my point:) I thought it was a pretty legit ? And reason for discussion to me. I mean the whole world is unhappy with how the situation is ..I'm sorry for fussing though ..The sky's blue!!! ;)
 
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Arlene

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Look. He was a first round draft pick coming into the season. The only reason he didn't stay one was because of his lack of true pg skills.
Heck at one point Duke had six first round draft picks.
If he goes he goes good for him. That just means every player with the exception of the two seniors, who were already leaving. Will have left. Which means Duke has no established players at the college level.
Which imo, Dukes recruiting has become no different then UK's. Bring in the OAD and if they win they win and if they don't they still win because after seven months they are headed for millions any way.
The college game just suffers and some of the blue bloods have officially became the new dleague

Jackson would've never started a game if Taytum and Giles were healthy starting the season and the stuff with Grayson didn't occur.

Would've been the 6th or possibly 7th man after Matt Jones. He's going to get a slap of cold water to his face if he goes pro. Just don't see what he's thinking and who's in his ear.
 

wcu1113

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I know Duke has benefitted from some great OAD freshmen, but the OAD rule and overall OAD culture needs to changed. This is ridiculous.

And by the way, if a kid jumps to the league when he's clearly not ready and winds up riding the pine or out of basketball in a few years, I won't feel sorry for him in the least bit. You have to be smarter and more realistic about your outlook.
 

hart2chesson

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I know Duke has benefitted from some great OAD freshmen, but the OAD rule and overall OAD culture needs to changed. This is ridiculous.

And by the way, if a kid jumps to the league when he's clearly not ready and winds up riding the pine or out of basketball in a few years, I won't feel sorry for him in the least bit. You have to be smarter and more realistic about your outlook.

I dont think Frank is ready. I think he needs to stay ANOTHER YEAR under the GOAT, who knows a lot about the pro game too. Frank could improve his handles, even at the 2, and be ready to take on the NBA next year...

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sheyduke

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Jackson would've never started a game if Taytum and Giles were healthy starting the season and the stuff with Grayson didn't occur.

Would've been the 6th or possibly 7th man after Matt Jones. He's going to get a slap of cold water to his face if he goes pro. Just don't see what he's thinking and who's in his ear.
I don't see it like that. He got injured around the same time Grayson got injured at the Kansas game. The only reason Grayson came off the bench was because he never was healthy not the tripping crap.
Jackson didn't have to start to get drafted. It's all on potential
In Jackson case. The only thing he truly needs to improve on is his passing and be a floor leader.
 
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hart2chesson

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I don't see it like that. He got injured around the same time Grayson got injured at the Kansas game. The only reason Grayson came off the bench was because he never was healthy not the tripping crap.
Jackson didn't have to start to get drafted. It's all on potential
In Jackson case. The only thing he truly needs to improve on is his passing and be a floor leader.

Shey, Frank had the rock at PG at the end of the year too. He may resent Duke's obsession to bring in a LEGIT pg, and be ready to move on. Its a huge gamble IMO, and he should not hire an agent. However we dont know the real atmosphere surrounding the team now, its difficult to get a read on it after such a tumultuous season!

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Mac9192

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Jackson is legit guys. He may have been the best athlete on the team. His potential may be greater than any of the other guys on team. As a fan I want him to stay because he will be hard for opposing teams to handle but NBA is off potential, if not Giles would have stayed
 

hart2chesson

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Some screwed up times with college basketball. I don't know if it's true or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to bolt. Since we're not on the inside, there's several things that could be happening. Is he doing this purely to gauge where he's at, is he doing this because of recruiting that is happening, and the log jam that will be with Trent and possibly Allen and Duval? That may also be why K is after all this talent too, so he and staff don't get caught with a surprise departure. College basketball has almost gotten like pro sports, that there's no loyalty from the players. Looking out for themselves, can't blame them if I thought I could make millions. Bottom line for fans is it Stinks

The OAD scenario did away w/loyalty to your school w/the lure of millions. However its a double edged sword as kids who go TOO SOON can get burned, and never make it in the bigs! As you said Mac, Frank could be doing this on the thoughts of a "crowded backcourt" next yr, we really dont know...

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LouisiAaron

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Frank may end up like a Russell Westbrook. I'm not saying he will be that good. I'm saying he might be that player that develop good enough pg skills once he make it there. Westbrook was just a good athlete and defender coming into the league. He never played point guard at UCLA. I don't believe Frank will leave though. Doesn't make business sense for him
 

VaBlueDevil33

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The OAD scenario did away w/loyalty to your school w/the lure of millions. However its a double edged sword as kids who go TOO SOON can get burned, and never make it in the bigs! As you said Mac, Frank could be doing this on the thoughts of a "crowded backcourt" next yr, we really dont know...

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Not saying Frank is but boy you have to love a kid that runs away from competition SMDH
 

Duke1783

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I know Duke has benefitted from some great OAD freshmen, but the OAD rule and overall OAD culture needs to changed. This is ridiculous.

And by the way, if a kid jumps to the league when he's clearly not ready and winds up riding the pine or out of basketball in a few years, I won't feel sorry for him in the least bit. You have to be smarter and more realistic about your outlook.
Agree!!!
 
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denverexpat

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Maybe another case of a player receiving bad advice from someone outside the program...an advisor hoping to cash in as the "agent" etc... He isnt ready by any stretch and would be better served to grow his game in college at least one more year.
 
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jnastasi

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Frank may end up like a Russell Westbrook. I'm not saying he will be that good. I'm saying he might be that player that develop good enough pg skills once he make it there. Westbrook was just a good athlete and defender coming into the league. He never played point guard at UCLA. I don't believe Frank will leave though. Doesn't make business sense for him

Sorry bro but no. Nowhere near Russ.
 

skysdad

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The thing about this unless I missed something I haven't seen or heard a thing from Frank, Frank's, dad, Frank's mom, Frank's brother, Frank's sister, Frank's uncle, Frank's cousin, Frank's high school coach, Frank's girlfriend or anything from Duke. All I ask is to see something. Like I said I may have missed the link. And just so everyone knows ACCsports .com is ran by David Glenn who also has The ACCSPORTS JOURNAL. Glenn is an unc alumni who I admit is pretty fair but since unc won the natty he has been like a kid at Christmas on his sports talk radio show out or Raleigh. OFC
 
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Wall2Boogie

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I don't think loyalty has anything to do with it. They are loyal when they pick their schools. They go out and compete and at the end of the yr they do what is best for them and their families futures. I don't like the one and done rule either but that's the nbas choice. I know most of you didn't care to watch the 30 for 30 the other night but cal talked about Dejuan Wagner and how had he stayed in school after one yr and started having health issues in yr 2 like he did in the NBA he would of never became financially stable for his family. Exchange Wagner for Giles. Had he come back and gotten another knee injury and never got to live out his dream would you be able to live with that if you were coach k? Point being, you never know what can happen. I know franks family financial situation maybe completely different, but his dreams are the same. I still think he comes back as is testing the waters till he's ready
 
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sheyduke

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I haven't seen anything but that article. I do know he's on the 2018 draft boards.

Hart I think you misread my post I was more or less saying he was on draft boards prior to the season starting.

If, he goes to gage what he needs to work on to be elite I think he can look no further then annylist. The kid can score and defend, no doubt but lacks in court vision and making that good pass
 
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hart2chesson

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The thing about this unless I missed something I haven't seen or heard a thing from Frank, Frank's, dad, Frank's mom, Frank's brother, Frank's sister, Frank's uncle, Frank's cousin, Frank's high school coach, Frank's girlfriend or anything from Duke. All I ask is to see something. Like I said I may have missed the link. And just so everyone knows ACCsports .com is ran by David Glenn who also has The ACCSPORTS JOURNAL. Glenn is an unc alumni who I admit is pretty fair but since unc won the natty he has been like a kid at Christmas on his sports talk radio show out or Raleigh. OFC

Very good point Sky! Glenn is a Tar Heel through and through, has had very little coverage of their scandal, and his publication is the one behind the story.

I quit listening to him a long time ago due to his bias and supersized ego.

OFC
 
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LouisiAaron

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Sorry bro but no. Nowhere near Russ.

I never said he was. I made sure to say that in my post. I said he may develop his pg skills once he get in the league like Russell. Plus the athletic lead guard is what's big in the NBA now.
 

Floorslapper

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I read that accsports.com site is the only site "reporting" this, and it is doing so behind a pay wall. The site is run by a Carolina grad, and tends traffic in rumor more than real reporting.
 
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hart2chesson

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I read that accsports.com site is the only site "reporting" this, and it is doing so behind a pay wall. The site is run by a Carolina grad, and tends traffic in rumor more than real reporting.

Floor you're on point! As Sky noted earlier UNC GRAD David Glenn is the architect of the rumor. and the egocentric talk show host would love to see the Devils go down a notch...

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Dattier

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Our own Jay Bilas hates us and UNC's David Glenn is conspiring to take us down a notch? MY GAWD, WHERE DOES IT ALL END?!?!?1?!
 
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hart2chesson

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Our own Jay Bilas hates us and UNC's David Glenn is conspiring to take us down a notch? MY GAWD, WHERE DOES IT ALL END?!?!?1?!

Bilas bends over backwards to appease UNC alum AND ESPN czar John Skipper. Glenn is just an out and out UNC homer who has done next to nothing w/the scandal...

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Dattier

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Bilas bends over backwards to appease UNC alum AND ESPN czar John Skipper. Glenn is just an out and out UNC homer who has done next to nothing w/the scandal...

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I don't agree that there is the slightest shred of an iota of a whiff of a trace of objective truth to anything you just said.
 
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hart2chesson

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Our own Jay Bilas hates us and UNC's David Glenn is conspiring to take us down a notch? MY GAWD, WHERE DOES IT ALL END?!?!?1?!

Hey datt, I never said "Bilas hates us." I merely think hes harder on Duke than most schools....Besides, I was taking about Dave Glenn- why dont you ask Skysdad or Devil DJ about him? OFC
 
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Dattier

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I was paraphrasing and mocking the content of the genre, not quoting you. So sorry-not-sorry you take my vehement disagreement as an attack.
 

hart2chesson

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I was paraphrasing and mocking the content of the genre, not quoting you. So sorry-not-sorry you take my vehement disagreement as an attack.

I should have simply considered the source. I mean is there really anybody here you havent disagreed with?? Lol OFC
 

Dattier

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Not really. What it looks like to me on the surface doesn't speak highly of you, but I would give you the chance to explain rather than jump to some premature conclusion.
 

hart2chesson

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Not really. What it looks like to me on the surface doesn't speak highly of you, but I would give you the chance to explain rather than jump to some premature conclusion.

You know you should really be careful here. "Doesnt speak highly of me.?" I would be careful about being judgmental of other members.

OFC
 
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Dattier

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You know you should really be careful here. "Doesnt speak highly of me.?" I would be careful about being judgemental of other members.

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Yes, parsing it as what it looks like on the surface to me and that I wouldn't want to leap to premature conclusions w/o offering you the chance to explain is pretty much the epitome of being careful about being judgmental.
 

hart2chesson

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Yes, parsing it as what it looks like on the surface to me and that I wouldn't want to leap to premature conclusions w/o offering you the chance to explain is pretty much the epitome of being careful about being judgmental.

Whatever you say datt, not going to argue w/you on Easter Sunday, much less get into presidential politics w/you, lol....

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