Jamie Luckie and Kentucky

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JAMIE LUCKIE FACT SHEET

As I write, it is the day after our Sweet Sixteen loss to Kansas State on March 22, 2018. This post is not intended to be a “blame the ref” post, just a fact sheet of Jamie Luckie’s record vs. Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament. I think we can all agree that the game was ugly to watch. It reminded us of this season’s loss to South Carolina. And the 2010 Elite Eight heart breaker to West Virginia. It should, because Jamie Luckie was also on the whistle for those games. The South Carolina game had a Luckie-officiated-season high 59 fouls. 2010 WVU had 49. Last night, 51. In another Luckie-officiated game this season, there were 52 fouls in Villanova vs. UT.

Without re-watching the entire game yet, my initial reaction is that it’s not like the Higgins-officiated games of 2011, 2015 (+ Sirmons) or 2017 (+ Kimble) where the whistle was one-sided to our opponent’s favor. The Sweet Sixteen last night seemed awfully ugly for both sides. There were numerous comments online about how rough it was being called at first. The problem becomes when all the ticky-tack stuff is called most of the game and then let go in the final few minutes. The problem is when it comes down to the final minute – even seconds in this case – that there are always unnecessary “what ifs” left in its wake.

[It should also be noted that Jamie Luckie was on the whistle in the notorious matchup between West Virginia and Kansas this season, with a free throw disparity of Kansas getting to the line 35 times versus WVU’s 2. Bob Huggins was reprimanded for criticizing the officiating crew, which also included John Higgins and Keith Kimble (who both worked our Elite Eight vs. UNC last year). See: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400989189 for more. He also officiated the very odd game between Virginia and Louisville on 3-1-18, where Louisville lost after having a 4 point lead in the final second: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=400986307 Virginia did not lose any games this season that Luckie officiated, nor did Duke].

Obviously, Kentucky had a great chance to win the game. What if we’d made more free throws? What if we had less turnovers? What if we made different decisions in the final seconds? What if we hadn’t started the game down 13-1? Why did we wait ‘til 16:33 to take a Time Out to try and stop K-State’s momentum? What if we’d had the early game? We didn’t do well this year in games with a 9pm or later tip off, going 3-5 (http://ukathletics.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=57 ). Why does our staff not show players much film of opponents, but others (e.g., Wisconsin, Kansas State) do? Why does the final game tape of a season not get watched, when the ending has been similar so many times? There are plenty of other Threads discussing those issues and more; this Thread is about how Jamie Luckie has called Kentucky games. I’m not here to debate those issues, we’ll really never know the answers. So we had our chances. But that shouldn’t stop us from questioning various aspects like officiating, when it most certainly has an impact on the game. Like Cal said last year, “It’s too big of a game for this!”

Here’s an interesting article with one perspective on why there’s so many fouls, yet some of the reasoning (higher scoring) tends to backfire in the type of game we saw last night: https://m.herosports.com/news/college-basketball-officiating-all-time-low

For live reactions during the Sweet Sixteen game on 3-22-18, here’s the Game Thread: https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/official-game-thread.262944/ Here’s the ESPN play-by-play, recap and stats: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=401025877 Those following live blogs and social media feeds know that there was general consternation at how the game was being called, on both sides.

Here’s Luckie’s record vs. UK, thanks to JP Scott: http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Officials/Jamie_Luckie.html While we are 21-9 overall, in the NCAA Tournament (2010 X 2, 2011, 2012, 2018), we are 3-2. The wins have been in the round of 64 (1) or 32 (2), and the losses have been in the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight.

Here’s Luckie’s schedule for this and previous seasons (the site will likely take you to a main page, click NCAA men’s basketball and then find officials and then choose his name. Seasons will be in a drop down menu, the one most leftward at the top. You have a few free page views, private browsing recommended): https://natstat.com/mbb/officials/jamie-luckie

Here’s a few clips and comments from the game (I acknowledge some weren’t called by Luckie):

Look at the feet of K-State #20 on the Kevin Knox “charge”!

Those 2 points were taken away and a foul was given to Knox.

Another “foul” on Hami:



Rex Chapman live tweeted during the game and was livid. Due to foul language (pardon the pun), I won’t post his all his comments, but here’s a few:









Here’s some interesting stats:


Luckie also officiated the 2010 WVU game.



Luckie also officiated the 2010 WVU game.


As noted above, Luckie officiated our 2010 Elite Eight loss to West Virginia. Here’s the play-by-play, stats and recap: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/playbyplay?gameId=300860096

Here’s the game video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F0YSYzD5dA

Here’s a video, cued to the technical on Deandre Liggins, simply for pointing out that a WVU player walked: https://youtu.be/5F0YSYzD5dA?t=32m15s


How many of us were reminded last night of the similarities to WVU in 2010? Both games could be described in the same way.

When you call 51 fouls in a 40 minute game, that’s nearly 1.3 per minute on average. That would make it hard for any team to have a flow or gain momentum. It’s common knowledge that Luckie officiates these types of games, it’s his M.O., with an abnormally high amount of fouls called compared to other officials. The games are not pleasant to watch and those he officiates often resemble one another in their ugliness. Normally efficient shooting teams can get completely disrupted. I could post article after article about games he’s officiated and fan bases that have taken issue with his style. I didn’t post this to bash him as a person, or to lay the blame for our loss solely on him, but rather to ask why the NCAA rewards such a known pattern with high level games? One would think they would want good, fair and exciting games for the players who have worked so hard to reach that moment. Instead, they get a slugfest that comes down to the final moments, rather than a fun basketball game.
 
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If there was any accountability at all in college basketball the three officials from last night's game would've been summarily fired after that display. Totally robbed the game of any flow and made it completely unwatchable with at least 15-20 phantom foul calls. Pathetic, but sadly nothing ever gets done about it and since college basketball is a one month niche sport there's not enough mainstream focus on the issue to enact any real change or pressure.
 

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It was horrific for both sides. But KState, being the lesser talented team, benefits more from that disruption in game flow. Bottomline is college officiating is a disgrace and makes the sport look like a sham more often than not. And have we heard anything from the NCAA in the past 20 years about reforms or putting more of a focus on improving their officials? The problem just continues to be swept under the rug and seems to get worse and worse every year. Has really ruined the product for me (and I've been saying this for years, not just after soul crushing losses).
 

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If there was any accountability at all in college basketball the three officials from last night's game would've been summarily fired after that display. Totally robbed the game of any flow and made it completely unwatchable with at least 15-20 phantom foul calls. Pathetic, but sadly nothing ever gets done about it and since college basketball is a one month niche sport there's not enough mainstream focus on the issue to enact any real change or pressure.
That's the only chance K State had, to take away any flow and muck it up.
 

UK90

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No, I said quite the opposite: "Without re-watching the entire game yet, my initial reaction is that it’s not like the Higgins-officiated games of 2011, 2015 (+ Sirmons) or 2017 (+ Kimble) where the whistle was one-sided to our opponent’s favor.

My bad. I did not see the "not." I'll delete my post and apologize.
 

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Appreciate all the info!

I don't think this cost UK the game yesterday and I realize you're not necessarily suggesting that either. If we assume the game was called fairly, the style of the officiating and the style of State's defense definitely made things thougher - even if not one sided.
 
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Our guys played terrible, did not want it as much as them, missed a ton of foul shots. Should have easily beat a team like that with much more pure talent. Too many fouls called but they gave us plenty of calls to help us win. Look at how many of their players fouled out or had 4 fouls. Couldn't shoot, kept turning the ball over and played soft compared to them. Hard to admit it, we didn't deserve to win.
 
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It was horrific for both sides. But KState, being the lesser talented team, benefits more from that disruption in game flow. Bottomline is college officiating is a disgrace and makes the sport look like a sham more often than not. And have we heard anything from the NCAA in the past 20 years about reforms or putting more of a focus on improving their officials? The problem just continues to be swept under the rug and seems to get worse and worse every year. Has really ruined the product for me (and I've been saying this for years, not just after soul crushing losses).

Of course they do. It negates talent and turns it into a free throw shooting competition. Especially so for a team shortening the clock like KSU

The gabriGa phantom foul and Cal's weird technical were the worst calls of the night imo. Worst amongst many
 

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Luckie called the foul on Diallo from half court. Every game that guy calls has no flow.
 
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White bread on the baseline was the worst of the night. Wheat bread was the only official who would even it up. It was almost as if he clearly saw what was happening.
 

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Of course they do. It negates talent and turns it into a free throw shooting competition. Especially so for a team shortening the clock like KSU

The gabriGa phantom foul and Cal's weird technical were the worst calls of the night imo. Worst amongst many
This. Games like that favor the less talented team and essentially shortens the "live action" time where games are won and loss.

The more uninterrupted play that happens means you have to execute consistently and talent usually wins out. When it is fragmented it only takes a few big shots to fall at the right time.

We were extremely vulnerable to it this year because we were a rhythm shooting team. If the ball was swinging and we were getting up and down the floor we usually hit shots. If the ball started sticking and turned into 1 on 1 or in foul fest we usually went ice cold.
 
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We have become the little boy who cried wolf. UK fans complain about officiating after EVERY single loss. That's not an exaggeration. It's literally every single loss.

Now people just roll their eyes. Here they go again is the reaction. So when the officiating actually is bad -- and that, of course, does happen, just not nearly as much as UK fans hyperventilate about -- it gains no traction.

For what it's worth, the officiating was bad last night, but it wasn't biased. We allowed ourselves to be drug into a grind it out, half-court, feed-the-post-every-possession game, and that leads to a ton of fouls. And what do we do in a game where every touch foul is being called? We keep feeding the ball to a guy who obviously was scared to death at the line.
 

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We have become the little boy who cried wolf. UK fans complain about officiating after EVERY single loss. That's not an exaggeration. It's literally every single loss.

Now people just roll their eyes. Here they go again is the reaction. So when the officiating actually is bad -- and that, of course, does happen, just not nearly as much as UK fans hyperventilate about -- it gains no traction.

For what it's worth, the officiating was bad last night, but it wasn't biased. We allowed ourselves to be drug into a grind it out, half-court, feed-the-post-every-possession game, and that leads to a ton of fouls. And what do we do in a game where every touch foul is being called? We keep feeding the ball to a guy who obviously was scared to death at the line.

Bad but not biased shouldn't be an acceptable standard. Especially when it's been going on for 20+ years now.
 
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I think the thing calling this many fouls was the fact the game never flowed. A foul seemed to be called every time down the floor. So nobody could get any rhythm going. This hurts a team like Uk more than KState.
 
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You are right that it was crappy but not necessarily partisan, like Higgins. NCAA doesn't care about horrible officiating... as long as nothing hurts their annointed ones, which doesn't include UK.

Think about it... they haven't changed it to where officials can call a delay-of-game T after watching a replay for 5 minutes and see someone totally faking an elbow to the face...

...but Cal can get T'd up for having a foot across a line.
 

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Jamie Luckie is garbage..and was definitely garbage Thursday night. I wonder how buddy buddy he is with Higgins ?
 

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UK fans complain about officiating after EVERY single loss. That's not an exaggeration. It's literally every single loss.
I have to add this, it is now becoming a common theme to start whining about the refs even when we are winning. It has got to a point where it is pathetic.
 

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Good work OP.

College basketball has become unbearable.

I’m concerned that the people who either can’t comprehend or attempt to rationalize away the things you laid out are a disturbing reflection of what is prevalent in our culture today: people creating their own truth to support the narrative that makes them feel most comfortable, as opposed to actually looking at a data set (or multiple data sets), and determining a logical (or dare say, accurate?) conclusion.
 

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Officiating is terrible because it is terribly inconsistent. They will call hand checks 30 feet from the basket and let everything go down low. Every crew is different. Referee's anticipate calls when they are out of position leading to ghost fouls.

KSU probably would have won more game if every game was called like that which is really the core issue. Officiating literally is all over the board in the calling of any game.
 
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Cal's Technical - 1 Basket for Kansas State

Interesting article about the expanded Coach’s Box. You’ll notice the lead photo in the article is Bruce Weber . . . outside of the box. But Cal sure got called for a Technical over this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/sports/ncaa-coachs-box.html

Calipari got a Technical for this:


Bruce Weber did not:
 
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We have become the little boy who cried wolf. UK fans complain about officiating after EVERY single loss. That's not an exaggeration. It's literally every single loss.

Now people just roll their eyes. Here they go again is the reaction. So when the officiating actually is bad -- and that, of course, does happen, just not nearly as much as UK fans hyperventilate about -- it gains no traction.

For what it's worth, the officiating was bad last night, but it wasn't biased. We allowed ourselves to be drug into a grind it out, half-court, feed-the-post-every-possession game, and that leads to a ton of fouls. And what do we do in a game where every touch foul is being called? We keep feeding the ball to a guy who obviously was scared to death at the line.
Must be nice on the stress level to be so naive.

Sure, it was called "evenly badly" on both sides, but the fact that there were 50+ fouls played right into the hands of what several others here have said - the lesser-talented team, and the team that prefers the game to be a slow, dragging slugfest. At one point I was pretty sure (even the announcers said this) that a couple of players Weber put in there were only there to give fouls.

So the "bias" wasn't obvious as it was a crap fest for both teams, but it did exist in that the way the game was called completely changed the flow of the game in favor of K-State, most likely to keep it close and make a "game" of it.
 
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Cal's Technical - 1 Basket for Kansas State

Interesting article about the expanded Coach’s Box. You’ll notice the lead photo in the article is Bruce Weber . . . outside of the box. But Cal sure got called for a Technical over this issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/sports/ncaa-coachs-box.html

Calipari got a Technical for this:


Bruce Weber did not:
Interesting article for two reasons:

The author says the correct call is a class B technical, which is one shot and the in-bounds at the point of the foul. In Cal's foul, Luckie gave K-State two shots and the ball.

The author says refs are instructed to give a warning first, then a technical if the coach continues to violate. Cal was not even outside of the "new" coaching box line, yet he got no warning, just a tech (and the wrong kind of tech, apparently).
 
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We have become the little boy who cried wolf. UK fans complain about officiating after EVERY single loss. That's not an exaggeration. It's literally every single loss.

Now people just roll their eyes. Here they go again is the reaction. So when the officiating actually is bad -- and that, of course, does happen, just not nearly as much as UK fans hyperventilate about -- it gains no traction.

For what it's worth, the officiating was bad last night, but it wasn't biased. We allowed ourselves to be drug into a grind it out, half-court, feed-the-post-every-possession game, and that leads to a ton of fouls. And what do we do in a game where every touch foul is being called? We keep feeding the ball to a guy who obviously was scared to death at the line.

So does every single fanbase. People that post on message boards are a tiny fraction of fanbases. And a portion of those people are more likely to be the ones that complain about officiating. So, a portion of a small fraction is what you are bitching about? Ok.
 

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Yeah that was a crappy call. Even in real time I thought it was bogus. Officiating in CBB is leading me to quit following it.
Get in line brother......if the officiating in basketball itsn't fixed then it is so bad that it looks like the fix is in. I taped the game as I have done all season.....I just can't sit and watch these refs take over a game. Maybe a season off will help but I don't' think so............The NCAA has neutered my love of college basketball with the way they let the officials ruin the game. The NCAA has this orchestrated. Me thinks that some day it will all come out..........I hope I am around to see the rat bastards go down.
 
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I think the reason we get these screw jobs is because Cal rubs officials the wrong way. Not saying he is in the wrong, but I think it's obvious that he, and we, get treatment that other programs do not. I guess I had forgot about that Technical Liggins got in that WVU game. What a joke that was. But back to Cal, he definitely rubs other fans, coaches, and many in the media the wrong way too.
 
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I think the reason we get these screw jobs is because Cal rubs officials the wrong way. Not saying he is in the wrong, but I think it's obvious that he, and we, get treatment that other programs do not. I guess I had forgot about that Technical Liggins got in that WVU game. What a joke that was. But back to Cal, he definitely rubs other fans, coaches, and many in the media the wrong way too.
I think it is his arrogance. He is just arrogant enough that after getting warnings, he walks right past that line, seemingly daring the ref to T him up.