Jared Jones

[haywood jahblowme]

i have not seen this mentioned before, but looking at Jared Jones Twitter I saw his high school team is one of the top in the country. I like that.

Does anyone know anything on Boo or Beran's schools - i couldn't find much but would be great to get a full class that is used to winning and playing against high level competition coming in.

 

[Chuckster1973]

When do we expect him to commit?

 

[NJCat]

When do we expect him to commit?

He already committed. He should sign his LOI in the spring signing period.

 

[Jeffrey Cat]

i have not seen this mentioned before, but looking at Jared Jones Twitter I saw his high school team is one of the top in the country. I like that.

Does anyone know anything on Boo or Beran's schools - i couldn't find much but would be great to get a full class that is used to winning and playing against high level competition coming in.

Haywood, I mentioned before that Jones was terrific down here in Fort Myers at the City of Palms holiday tournament which his high school won. I think the tournament included many of the top high school teams in the country.
I also saw on Twitter the Berans team won the Richmond holiday tournament for the first time in many years and Beran was the MVP. This might have been the smaller schools. Who knows!

Twitter also said Buie has been terrific. Again these are the so-called experts on Twitter.

 

[mickbula]

Haywood, I mentioned before that Jones was terrific down here in Fort Myers at the City of Palms holiday tournament which his high school won. I think the tournament included many of the top high school teams in the country.
I also saw on Twitter the Berans team won the Richmond holiday tournament for the first time in many years and Beran was the MVP. This might have been the smaller schools. Who knows!

Twitter also said Buie has been terrific. Again these are the so-called experts on Twitter.

I think we are going to be in the top 5 of the BIG next year if JJones does come to NU! I do think we should look into taking on a transfer stud point guard though if possible. It just seems we need help steering all of our schemes. I was also wondering...is Beran going to be a player for us like Robbie Hummel was for Purdue?? From the tape that I have seen- I think he'll start right away and be an even more effective scorer than Law has been for us. I am also hopeful that if Nance puts on about 20 pounds of muscle, he might be all BIG.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

I think we are going to be in the top 5 of the BIG next year if JJones does come to NU! I do think we should look into taking on a transfer stud point guard though if possible. It just seems we need help steering all of our schemes. I was also wondering...is Beran going to be a player for us like Robbie Hummel was for Purdue?? From the tape that I have seen- I think he'll start right away and be an even more effective scorer than Law has been for us. I am also hopeful that if Nance puts on about 20 pounds of muscle, he might be all BIG.

i think 5th year guys are a definite possibility and i have heard Beran is probably closer to the type of player sam decker was with wisc. than what hummel was with purdue

 

[TheC]

I think we are going to be in the top 5 of the BIG next year if JJones does come to NU! I do think we should look into taking on a transfer stud point guard though if possible. It just seems we need help steering all of our schemes. I was also wondering...is Beran going to be a player for us like Robbie Hummel was for Purdue?? From the tape that I have seen- I think he'll start right away and be an even more effective scorer than Law has been for us. I am also hopeful that if Nance puts on about 20 pounds of muscle, he might be all BIG.

I'm excited about Beran, but I don't want to overhype this kid. Vic Law was supposed to step in and be a star right away. And then Falzon was that guy. Then Rap. Then Nance. I'm sure Beran is a nice player, but he will be a non-one-and-done freshman.

 

[DaCat]

I'm excited about Beran, but I don't want to overhype this kid. Vic Law was supposed to step in and be a star right away. And then Falzon was that guy. Then Rap. Then Nance. I'm sure Beran is a nice player, but he will be a non-one-and-done freshman.

Or he could be the next Kevin Coble.

 

[JournCat]

Or he could be the next Kevin Coble.

Just keep him away from Hawaii then ...

 

[DaCat]

Just keep him away from Hawaii then ...

Or foot fractures.

 

[EvanstonCat]

Or foot fractures.

And Bill Carmody.

 

[GOUNUII]

I'm excited about Beran, but I don't want to overhype this kid. Vic Law was supposed to step in and be a star right away. And then Falzon was that guy. Then Rap. Then Nance. I'm sure Beran is a nice player, but he will be a non-one-and-done freshman.

I don’t recall anybody overhyping any of those players other than Nance. And I was hopeful Nance could RS this year. Still, Beran is a special talent. A much more ready to play prospect than Nance. A great example of why an increasing number of modern day players can’t be pigeon holed into any one position. He could play any of the 3 wing positions. I am anxious to see his development. Hope he arrives a little bigger and stronger. Regardless, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him in the starting lineup from day one. Partly due to need, and partly due to his ability to score in a variety of ways.

GOUNUII

 

[NUCat320]

The two players that I recall getting the most hype during post-commitment senior seasons were Shurna, who got great reviews from close followers of hoops including some positive comments from combes, while also eventually winning both the dunk and three-point contests championship weekend, and McIntosh, who simply produced huge assist numbers en route to an actual state championship.

Those guys worked out.

Most freshmen, however, contribute like freshmen, and expecting more is setting yourself up for disappointment.

That said, one might lead the team in scoring next year, because there really aren’t any experienced scorers coming back.

 

[torque-cat]

The two players that I recall getting the most hype during post-commitment senior seasons were Shurna, who got great reviews from close followers of hoops including some positive comments from combes, while also eventually winning both the dunk and three-point contests championship weekend, and McIntosh, who simply produced huge assist numbers en route to an actual state championship.

Those guys worked out.

Most freshmen, however, contribute like freshmen, and expecting more is setting yourself up for disappointment.

That said, one might lead the team in scoring next year, because there really aren’t any experienced scorers coming back.

Shurna was ok as a frosh, his breakout was as a soph where he got national attention. That said even Shurna was not a guy who broke down defenses off the dribble and created consistently. We have almost never had those guys since I’ve been watching I’m the 90s and that hurts us in close games.

 

[Username Not Available]

Maybe its the haze of the years, but didn't Jitim have that going on?

 

[7th Cir. Cat]

Shurna was ok as a frosh, his breakout was as a soph where he got national attention. That said even Shurna was not a guy who broke down defenses off the dribble and created consistently. We have almost never had those guys since I’ve been watching I’m the 90s and that hurts us in close games.

I get the frustration with this team, but re: guys who could create their own shot we've had some good ones. Off the top of my head: Jitim, Tre Demps, Juice, Reggie Hearn. They were all on teams that lacked other parts (like a Coble)

 

[mickbula]

Or he could be the next Kevin Coble.

I was hoping for the next John Shurna?? I hope I'm not over-hyping the young fellow...I'm just getting excited for the future of my favorite team. I think that he's going to be a great player for us.

 

[Pukecat]

I get the frustration with this team, but re: guys who could create their own shot we've had some good ones. Off the top of my head: Jitim, Tre Demps, Juice, Reggie Hearn. They were all on teams that lacked other parts (like a Coble)

That's a very short list, though, and none of them were NBA caliber. (Yeah, I know Hearn has played in the Association, but you know what I mean: guys who are going to make the rotation.)

As far as we have come, Coach needs admissions to loosen the noose. This admissions dept is like a coach strangler.

Can anybody explain why exactly we handicap ourselves on purpose? Our admissions standards for athletics is already ridiculously looser than regular applicant pool. If a kid can navigate U of I, Wisconsin, Michigan, he can graduate from NU.

It's a built-in excuse so we can lose and point to admissions as the reason. "We're trying to win but if we lose it's okay. because we weren't really trying to compete against OSU and Iowa."

We're miles and miles from Strotz but there's an underlying train of thought that follows the Strotz path of "we're willing to lose so we can keep saying we're superior in another arbitrary way."

 

[JournCat]

I get the frustration with this team, but re: guys who could create their own shot we've had some good ones. Off the top of my head: Jitim, Tre Demps, Juice, Reggie Hearn. They were all on teams that lacked other parts (like a Coble)

That Tre Demps comeback against Michigan ... no words.

 

[Katatonic]

Most freshmen, however, contribute like freshmen, and expecting more is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Always stated that there will be recruits who don't match their rating (at least from the onset) and those who will surpass them, but that each class needs at least 1 player who can contribute - if not a starter (and not by default) than an impact player off the bench.

There have been a decent # of frosh who were impact players as starters or significant contributors off the bench.

TJ Parker - 11.4 ppg (.452)
Coble - 13.4 ppg (.494)
Juice - 11.6 ppg (.434)
Shurna - 7.3 ppg (.466)
Crawford - 10 ppg (.447)
Cobb - 7.4 ppg (.389)
Sobo - 8.3 ppg (.399)

BMac - 11.4 ppg (.421)
Law - 7 ppg (.387)
Pardon - 6.7 ppg (.646)
Falzon - 8.4 ppg (.383)
Kopp - 5.1 ppg (.427)


The probkem for BC was that he was just pretty much replacing a good player who was graduating, and thus was never able to build depth (esp. hurt when the injury bug arose).

For CC, after the 2014 class which led to 3 starters and an important role player/part-time starter and the 2015 class which brought a key starter (and a possible starter hampered by injuries) - which w./ Lumpkin and Tap created enough talent/depth for the Tourney team, there have been too many classes which haven't been able to replace the departing talent (would be even worse if Law didn't get a medical RS).

Due to injury issues and whatnot, the 2015 class has 1 contributor (Pardon).

The 2016 didn't bring about any impact players (if BB isn't showing it by now, not sure if he will ever do so).

The 2017 has Gaines, who, right now, is a decent role player off the bench.

2018 class - right now, Kopp has shown the most out of the frosh, but really shouldn't be starting and would be a role player off the bench.

So out of 4 recruiting classes - 1 legit starter and 2 role players at this time.

Shurna was ok as a frosh, his breakout was as a soph where he got national attention. That said even Shurna was not a guy who broke down defenses off the dribble and created consistently. We have almost never had those guys since I’ve been watching I’m the 90s and that hurts us in close games.

Johnny was more than OK as a frosh; he was the 4th leading scorer on the team.

Shurna would have avg'd 13.1 ppg on a per 40 min basis (avg'd 18.5 mins of playing time as a frosh).

Law avg'd 6 more minutes per game as a frosh and scored about the same as Shurna w/ a considerably lower FG% (granted, Law was better on the defensive end).

A frosh Shurna would be the starting 4 and not Kopp.

I get the frustration with this team, but re: guys who could create their own shot we've had some good ones. Off the top of my head: Jitim, Tre Demps, Juice, Reggie Hearn. They were all on teams that lacked other parts (like a Coble)

Don't forget about Cobb (when healthy).

 

[scru]

Bad bets and bad luck...

Bad Luck:
Falzon and Rapolas injured more than healthy as back to back top recruits.
Lathon getting into some form of trouble.

Bad Bets:
Brown as a lead guard.
Ash as a lead guard.
Benson as a B1G calibre center.
Taylor as a legit B1G scoring wing.

I think the roster composition target has always been 3 Leads, 7 Wings, 3 Bigs. I actually think the Wing recruiting has been close to ok. If Turner was allowed to actually play Wing instead of Lead, the group there would look pretty solid. The biggest problem has been the absolute failure at Lead. Greer may develop into a good one, but with reclassification he is playing ahead of his readiness. Next season we get close to the right roster compositon, but still a big question at Lead.

Lead: Greer, Boo
Wing: Turner, Gaines, Nance, Beran, Kopp, Falzon??
Big: Benson, Young, Jones

If I'm CCC, I would be very reluctant to sign 2 Leads in the 2019 class. Need to spread these out and keep a spot open for 2020 class. I'd be working really hard in the grad transfer market as a starting role is available. Plan B looks a lot like this year with Turner taking minutes, but we've seen that show already.

If there is a talented Wing still available in 2019 class, you take him. Otherwise, shop the transfer market there as well, although the Taylor experience has soured me a bit.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

Always stated that there will be recruits who don't match their rating (at least from the onset) and those who will surpass them, but that each class needs at least 1 player who can contribute - if not a starter (and not by default) than an impact player off the bench.

There have been a decent # of frosh who were impact players as starters or significant contributors off the bench.

TJ Parker - 11.4 ppg (.452)
Coble - 13.4 ppg (.494)
Juice - 11.6 ppg (.434)
Shurna - 7.3 ppg (.466)
Crawford - 10 ppg (.447)
Cobb - 7.4 ppg (.389)
Sobo - 8.3 ppg (.399)

BMac - 11.4 ppg (.421)
Law - 7 ppg (.387)
Pardon - 6.7 ppg (.646)
Falzon - 8.4 ppg (.383)
Kopp - 5.1 ppg (.427)


The probkem for BC was that he was just pretty much replacing a good player who was graduating, and thus was never able to build depth (esp. hurt when the injury bug arose).

For CC, after the 2014 class which led to 3 starters and an important role player/part-time starter and the 2015 class which brought a key starter (and a possible starter hampered by injuries) - which w./ Lumpkin and Tap created enough talent/depth for the Tourney team, there have been too many classes which haven't been able to replace the departing talent (would be even worse if Law didn't get a medical RS).

Due to injury issues and whatnot, the 2015 class has 1 contributor (Pardon).

The 2016 didn't bring about any impact players (if BB isn't showing it by now, not sure if he will ever do so).

The 2017 has Gaines, who, right now, is a decent role player off the bench.

2018 class - right now, Kopp has shown the most out of the frosh, but really shouldn't be starting and would be a role player off the bench.

So out of 4 recruiting classes - 1 legit starter and 2 role players at this time.




Johnny was more than OK as a frosh; he was the 4th leading scorer on the team.

Shurna would have avg'd 13.1 ppg on a per 40 min basis (avg'd 18.5 mins of playing time as a frosh).

Law avg'd 6 more minutes per game as a frosh and scored about the same as Shurna w/ a considerably lower FG% (granted, Law was better on the defensive end).

A frosh Shurna would be the starting 4 and not Kopp.




Don't forget about Cobb (when healthy).

You are using the minutes argument to pump up Shurna’s numbers, but ignore it for Kopp and other Freshman. Let’s face it BCC had little option but to play some of these guys major minutes. CCC has other Big Ten players that take minutes from Kopp, Nance and Greer. To say we have 1 legit starter and 2 role players in the last class is premature.

 

[NUCat320]

CCC has other Big Ten players that take minutes from Kopp, Nance and Greer.

The minutes are there for the taking right now. The team has no starting point guard.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

The minutes are there for the taking right now. The team has no starting point guard.

Ok, but Kopp and Nance have upperclassmen wings ahead of them. Comparing minutes played as a Freshman has to take into consideration the rest of the talent around them. It’s an apples to oranges argument.

 

[NUCat320]

Ok, but Kopp and Nance have upperclassmen wings ahead of them. Comparing minutes played as a Freshman has to take into consideration the rest of the talent around them. It’s an apples to oranges argument.

It’s interesting to compare the 08-09 team and this year’s team. I would argue that the 08-09 team - Juice, Coble, Moore - was better than this one. Shurna - who showed potential but also was inconsistent - got 18 minutes a game on that team. Kopp and Nance - who do play the same position as NU’s best player - are at 16 and 14 mpg.

Taylor and Turner have been fine, but not 30mpg good. I think some of both of their minutes should be going to the freshmen.

08-09:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/northwestern/2009.html

18-19:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/northwestern/2019.html

 

[EvanstonCat]

Always stated that there will be recruits who don't match their rating (at least from the onset) and those who will surpass them, but that each class needs at least 1 player who can contribute - if not a starter (and not by default) than an impact player off the bench.

There have been a decent # of frosh who were impact players as starters or significant contributors off the bench.

TJ Parker - 11.4 ppg (.452)
Coble - 13.4 ppg (.494)
Juice - 11.6 ppg (.434)
Shurna - 7.3 ppg (.466)
Crawford - 10 ppg (.447)
Cobb - 7.4 ppg (.389)
Sobo - 8.3 ppg (.399)

BMac - 11.4 ppg (.421)
Law - 7 ppg (.387)
Pardon - 6.7 ppg (.646)
Falzon - 8.4 ppg (.383)
Kopp - 5.1 ppg (.427)


The probkem for BC was that he was just pretty much replacing a good player who was graduating, and thus was never able to build depth (esp. hurt when the injury bug arose).

For CC, after the 2014 class which led to 3 starters and an important role player/part-time starter and the 2015 class which brought a key starter (and a possible starter hampered by injuries) - which w./ Lumpkin and Tap created enough talent/depth for the Tourney team, there have been too many classes which haven't been able to replace the departing talent (would be even worse if Law didn't get a medical RS).

Due to injury issues and whatnot, the 2015 class has 1 contributor (Pardon).

The 2016 didn't bring about any impact players (if BB isn't showing it by now, not sure if he will ever do so).

The 2017 has Gaines, who, right now, is a decent role player off the bench.

2018 class - right now, Kopp has shown the most out of the frosh, but really shouldn't be starting and would be a role player off the bench.

So out of 4 recruiting classes - 1 legit starter and 2 role players at this time.




Johnny was more than OK as a frosh; he was the 4th leading scorer on the team.

Shurna would have avg'd 13.1 ppg on a per 40 min basis (avg'd 18.5 mins of playing time as a frosh).

Law avg'd 6 more minutes per game as a frosh and scored about the same as Shurna w/ a considerably lower FG% (granted, Law was better on the defensive end).

A frosh Shurna would be the starting 4 and not Kopp.




Don't forget about Cobb (when healthy).

A lot of the BC kids wouldn't get as many minutes or score nearly as much on the CCC teams. They got minutes and scored because they had to.

 

[NJCat]

A lot of the BC kids wouldn't get as many minutes or score nearly as much on the CCC teams. They got minutes and scored because they had to.

A lot of BC recruits didn't even get much time on BC teams!

 

[freewillie07]

Bad bets and bad luck...

Bad Luck:
Falzon and Rapolas injured more than healthy as back to back top recruits.
Lathon getting into some form of trouble.

Bad Bets:
Brown as a lead guard.
Ash as a lead guard.
Benson as a B1G calibre center.
Taylor as a legit B1G scoring wing.

I think the roster composition target has always been 3 Leads, 7 Wings, 3 Bigs. I actually think the Wing recruiting has been close to ok. If Turner was allowed to actually play Wing instead of Lead, the group there would look pretty solid. The biggest problem has been the absolute failure at Lead. Greer may develop into a good one, but with reclassification he is playing ahead of his readiness. Next season we get close to the right roster compositon, but still a big question at Lead.

Lead: Greer, Boo
Wing: Turner, Gaines, Nance, Beran, Kopp, Falzon??
Big: Benson, Young, Jones

If I'm CCC, I would be very reluctant to sign 2 Leads in the 2019 class. Need to spread these out and keep a spot open for 2020 class. I'd be working really hard in the grad transfer market as a starting role is available. Plan B looks a lot like this year with Turner taking minutes, but we've seen that show already.

If there is a talented Wing still available in 2019 class, you take him. Otherwise, shop the transfer market there as well, although the Taylor experience has soured me a bit.

You do not pass on the Lead Guard offers that NU has out there for the 2019 class, if they want to commit. No way.

The upside about the kind of LG that Collins offers is they are usually 6’3” or 6’4”, so you can run with two on the court at the same time without giving up a ton on defense.

I know we are not used to seeing two very capable ballhandlers on the floor at once at NU, but it’s not such a bad thing!