In Billy Gillispie's first season about midway thru the season someone asked Mike Pratt what he thought of him and what UK's problems where. He didn't hesitate when he said Billy was in over his head. I use that as an example of a really good ex player turned media professional calling it like he see's it. Now I have heard Jared 3 times, twice on KSR and once on their podcast. When talking about the problems of last year say " Shannon Dawson was not the problem last year and I know what it was and trust me it wasn't Shannon Dawson" something along those lines. IMO Jared should step up and say what he thinks it was or not make a statement like that if he's not going to elaborate. Does he have a problem with Stoops or someone on staff ? Was it because he was clearly a Towles man and is bitter over how that went down?
Jared Lorenzen ?
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He's just mad his Highlands boy got ran out of town.
Don't listen to him.
Don't listen to him.
I listened to that on Ksr and was wanting to know what he thought too. Seems like he really has disdain for Dorian Baker.
I question the coaches responsible for rolling Baker out there series after series with the lack of effort he showed (at times)!
Was some bad juju on the team... Think we can all agree on that!
How well Mr. Towles, Dawson, Stoops, Barker/Baker, Gran & Hinshaw etc do going forward might tell more than conjecture... I don't think J-Lo would serve anyone well offering his opinion... Ultimately everybody associated with UK football will be judged on the success (or lack of it) of the program.... So far I've been less than impressed but I'll give the rookie HC all the time he needs... What else you gonna do?...
One thing for certain... If we keep bumping our asses along like a toad frog, lots people need to answer for the filthy amount of money laid out at the feet of coaches and AD for the SOS we are getting....
I sure hope some pretty lady kisses that frog soon....else it gets ugly-er.
How well Mr. Towles, Dawson, Stoops, Barker/Baker, Gran & Hinshaw etc do going forward might tell more than conjecture... I don't think J-Lo would serve anyone well offering his opinion... Ultimately everybody associated with UK football will be judged on the success (or lack of it) of the program.... So far I've been less than impressed but I'll give the rookie HC all the time he needs... What else you gonna do?...
One thing for certain... If we keep bumping our asses along like a toad frog, lots people need to answer for the filthy amount of money laid out at the feet of coaches and AD for the SOS we are getting....
I sure hope some pretty lady kisses that frog soon....else it gets ugly-er.
I will agree with Jared in one sense. I don't think the problems of last year can be tied to just Shannon Dawson. It was very clear him and Stoops never meshed from the debacle that was game 1 and Stoops basically threw him under the bus after that game. The relationship never got off on the right foot.
However, Dawson was stubborn from the beginning and I think wanted to take the reins of a program as an OC after being under the thumb at WVU. When things went south in a hurry, it seemed to me he had flashbacks of a controlling head coach, dug his heels in and said some really stupid stuff when he was questioned. Dawson became the scapegoat and I think that sits wrong with Jared and I can see why. It wasn't 100% his fault. From the Boom Williams quitting the team to Baker's continued play despite 100% effort, I think you saw a lot of animosity build up among the players. Stoops handled it poorly and when you have coach vs coach, it isn't going to be 100% the players side with one.
Gran has done a great job so far or at least seems to be, of changing the attitude and hopefully when the first sign of distress happens in a game, Stoops doesn't try to take over and let Gran just run things. I think Jared is saying as much as he can. I know it's frustrating but I'm guessing he wants to say something but he's very connected to UK right now and if he runs and airs all the dirty laundry, UK would likely cut him off in a hurry. So he says what he can and lets people make their own opinion.
However, Dawson was stubborn from the beginning and I think wanted to take the reins of a program as an OC after being under the thumb at WVU. When things went south in a hurry, it seemed to me he had flashbacks of a controlling head coach, dug his heels in and said some really stupid stuff when he was questioned. Dawson became the scapegoat and I think that sits wrong with Jared and I can see why. It wasn't 100% his fault. From the Boom Williams quitting the team to Baker's continued play despite 100% effort, I think you saw a lot of animosity build up among the players. Stoops handled it poorly and when you have coach vs coach, it isn't going to be 100% the players side with one.
Gran has done a great job so far or at least seems to be, of changing the attitude and hopefully when the first sign of distress happens in a game, Stoops doesn't try to take over and let Gran just run things. I think Jared is saying as much as he can. I know it's frustrating but I'm guessing he wants to say something but he's very connected to UK right now and if he runs and airs all the dirty laundry, UK would likely cut him off in a hurry. So he says what he can and lets people make their own opinion.
Could be right, but to my knowledge JL isn't being dissed by the football program for his opinion - and the staff has to know what he's referring to.
I would expect Lorenzen's views on last year's division and dysfunction to be highly influenced by his relationship with Towles, but I'm sure there was plenty of blame to go around, including a lack of leadership at the coaching level that failed to follow Barney Fife's admonition to "Nip it in the bud!" Hopefully a sad episode we can leave behind us, and one Lorenzen can grow past as well, since it does seem to have left him with lingering negative vibes.
Hard to gauge the impact if the current staff keeps everyone on the same page this year, but you'd have to think it's worth at least a few first down conversions.
Hard to gauge the impact if the current staff keeps everyone on the same page this year, but you'd have to think it's worth at least a few first down conversions.
Dawson takes a team with a poor offensive line unit, receivers who aren't loaded with talent or even effort, a qb who is inaccurate, a suspect thinker and calls vertical passing plays
He looked like a one trick pony not an innovative OC. Give him a good OL, receivers and QB and he might be successful. Of course that sounds like Bama's roster.
He looked like a one trick pony not an innovative OC. Give him a good OL, receivers and QB and he might be successful. Of course that sounds like Bama's roster.
http://gogriz.com/news/2016/8/12/football-physicality-ramps-up-on-day-four-of-fall-camp.aspxIt looks like he's splitting back up reps.
Towles is not just from the same HS as Jared, Jared gave him QB coaching while the youngster was in HS. And if you listen to his end of season thoughts Jared had not just distain for Baker but for pretty much all other leading receivers on the team as well, Badet & Johnson & Timmons.
Having said that, I think it is correct to say the issues were not JUST Dawson. The issues were Dawson, & him trying to coach with Neal Brown's wide receiver, running back, & O line coaches. The problem was fixed (mostly) with Gran, he was hired & got to fill out his staff with his WR coach & his QB coach (he does RBs). O line coach still a holdover.
Jared doesnt have a positive outlook on the team in 2016, hopefully he is as wrong as he was with his positive ones towards 2015.
Having said that, I think it is correct to say the issues were not JUST Dawson. The issues were Dawson, & him trying to coach with Neal Brown's wide receiver, running back, & O line coaches. The problem was fixed (mostly) with Gran, he was hired & got to fill out his staff with his WR coach & his QB coach (he does RBs). O line coach still a holdover.
Jared doesnt have a positive outlook on the team in 2016, hopefully he is as wrong as he was with his positive ones towards 2015.
Jared is just mad burger week is over in Lexington. If they can get barker's head straight (which it sounds like they're well on their way of doing) he's way better than towles ever thought about being. And I've got faith Lamar Thomas will get the receivers playing better ball too. He can root for Boston college for all I care.
Perhaps but by transferring down he doesn't have to sit another year(he's already RSed). Still, Phillips doesn't have SEC talent.
Liked Jared when he played. How could you not? Massive QB who had a rifle and could move very well for his size.
That said, he's unbearable to listen to since he's been on the radio frequently the last few years. He comes across umm, just not so well on the radio (and on twitter for that matter) and let's face it...he ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.
That said, he's unbearable to listen to since he's been on the radio frequently the last few years. He comes across umm, just not so well on the radio (and on twitter for that matter) and let's face it...he ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.
I'm sure Jared was privy to information that was fed to him straight from Patrick. I'm sure once Jared heard some things and then saw it confirmed on the field, he felt the need to back Patrick, but at the same time try to be politically correct enough as to not ruin his relationship and status at Kentucky. When we hired Gran and he said everybody would have a fresh start, I thought Patrick would stay, but evidently he felt there was too much static to stay here at Kentucky. I'm pretty sure he left before Lamar Thomas was brought in, so he didn't have the benefit of knowing that the receiver position was going to be different this year. I can understand Jared's loyalty to a friend, but with his negativity in the pre-season, I don't really want him out at the start of the 4th quarter trying to rally the fan base.
I think they are actually kind of a football powerhouse up there in their league and in FCS. Now, they've had so many problems with football players raping girls on campus, a book was written about it, but they do have a program with history and wins.
Unless Stoops was ordering Deep Center, Deep left, draw run, punt over and over, I'll continue to say that Dawson was the problem...
Well, if there's an expert on lack of effort, it's Jared. Though, he's pretty judgemental for a guy benched his senior year for giving up on the team. Probably blames Abney for why he went 5-20 against 1-8 Vandy. Career record of 15-31. It is a mystery why the program allows this monument to stupidity, selfishness, and sloth to be presented in front of fans and players. Does anyone think he isn't rooting against this team so he can say I told you so? I really hope Matt gets tired of Jareds bitching and cuts him from the show and podcast.
Knowing no more than anybody with a garden variety internet account, I take Lorenzen's comments in the past on Baker to be this...from an opponent's point of view, I thought your WR's dogged their routes when Towles was the QB to force the decision to cut bait and insert their guy at QB. You can ask anybody whose ever been in any huddle from high school through the NFL...if you're a running back and the offensive line doesn't want to block for you, money, booze and chicks or just flatout exceeding on your own without blocking are about the only avenues back into their good graces. If you're a QB and any one of the O line or WRs don't want you as their guy...you're DOA. When your OCoordinator sticks with that guy that the huddle doesn't want taking the reps...chaos is sure to ensue.
I guess we'll get to see for ourselves this season whether the OC position was holding us back. Dawson's play calls were objectively terrible though. I don't know how anyone could argue against that. The final drive against Auburn was just the worst.
Towels and Lorenzen are close. Lorenzen is probably privy to a lot of information we know nothing about but with Jared it seems almost personal. Like someone on the staff has dissed him personally.
Lorenzen's feelings about Baker I think were somewhat vindicated by Lamar Thomas when he said something I thought was jaw dropping really. He said these wide receivers were no longer going to be able to hold the coaching staff hostage. That's a pretty damning statement in my opinion.
I appreciate Thomas's candor. I wish he would have been here last year. I doubt you'll see much dancing on the field this year from Mr. Baker.
Why? They are two peas in the same pod nobody is more cynical and makes more fun of the football program than Matt Jones... He hates to even talk about it... He, Ryan and Oscar Combs make me sick
Good god man your obsession is getting scary. Every time the guy's name is mentioned you chime in with what you've said over and over again. We get it. Let it go.
Once again, Shannon Dawson is a competent OC. But, I remind you Dana Holgerson called the offense at WVU and "collaborated" with Shannon on play calling.
No one truly knows what degree of discord was evident in the UK locker room last year. Whatever occurred, it affected the team's performance and subsequent losing season.
IMO, it is time to move on. Let's see what 2016 brings.
Stephen Johnson is better than Phillips, so is Davis Mattingly for that matter - net positive.
Whatever went on the offense regressed last year under Dawson with the same personnel and more experience. For the conspiracy lovers out there if the players don't want to play then that is a responsibility of coaching. making it Dawson's job to fix. The play calling was predictable, ineffective, and almost childish. I've seen better strategy in a sand lot 4 man game. Everyone is better off now. I cannot see how anyone can think Dawson is a competent OC but now you get another chance to watch him. Towles and Phillips are both better off elsewhere so they can swim or sink on their own. UK is infinitely better off without all that childish drama.
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Few SEC, or any other major conference team, would tolerate Baker. Given his best game he was ok. Add his other games he was only seeing the field because our receiver unit was so thin.
Awful hard to like him, plus several others on that unit, because you're just waiting for that play where they roll over on their backs and give up.
If that is what Jared is referring to then I agree with him.
Awful hard to like him, plus several others on that unit, because you're just waiting for that play where they roll over on their backs and give up.
If that is what Jared is referring to then I agree with him.
Sounds like to me the coaches didn't hold players accountable on the field. If you don't do that, then you will lose, especially when they aren't all 5 star studs.
The thing about Dawson was his ignorance or lack of understanding what a read option is. I have never in my life seen a coach run a read option WITHOUT the option. It was insane.
Jared, is just like the rest of us, he wants UK to win and thinks he knows how that should happen. Nothing against him, I loved watching him play, but he's not someone I listen to and think "wow, he's really intelligent about football".
For me the last few years have been a large learning curve for Stoops, I think he has all the right intentions, but there are a few things lacking. Discipline and preparation being the main items. And the players that don't want to buy into that and put the team first, then they need to be shown the door, I don't care how good they are, but they also need coaches that lead them in that direction --- which sounds like they did that with Barker.
So once again, I'm very excited about the season and think they could go to a bowl game if they shore up some things.
The thing about Dawson was his ignorance or lack of understanding what a read option is. I have never in my life seen a coach run a read option WITHOUT the option. It was insane.
Jared, is just like the rest of us, he wants UK to win and thinks he knows how that should happen. Nothing against him, I loved watching him play, but he's not someone I listen to and think "wow, he's really intelligent about football".
For me the last few years have been a large learning curve for Stoops, I think he has all the right intentions, but there are a few things lacking. Discipline and preparation being the main items. And the players that don't want to buy into that and put the team first, then they need to be shown the door, I don't care how good they are, but they also need coaches that lead them in that direction --- which sounds like they did that with Barker.
So once again, I'm very excited about the season and think they could go to a bowl game if they shore up some things.
Dislike Lorenzen for personal reasons if you want, but to call him out for lack of effort is asinine. Let's review shall we......
#4 all time in SEC for completions
#7 all time in SEC for passing yards
#8 all time in SEC for touchdowns thrown
#1 all time in SEC number of plays ran
#8 all time in SEC for total yards
#1 all time at UK in passing yards
#2 all time at UK in touchdowns thrown
#1 all time at UK in single game passing yards
#1 all time at UK in total yardage
#1 all time at UK in total touchdowns
All this done while playing under 3 different coaching staffs. Say what you want about Lorenzen, but the numbers don't lie about the effort he put out when he played for UK.