24 and 6 in a Win vs Miss State
Shouldve been our guy
Shouldve been our guy
Jaron Pierre
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Yup, we lost out on so many good players. The ones we didn’t get are all killing it. That is concerning.24 and 6 in a Win vs Miss State
Shouldve been our guy
bro i found a dude om wisconsin we were in on, nick boyd, and hes averaging 20
It’s becoming very concerning with this staff’s ability to recruit.
He chose another team over us so who gives a non solid turd?24 and 6 in a Win vs Miss State
Shouldve been our guy
Mark is going to have to shorten the roster next season. A lot of misses were likely due to being 10 deep in the eyes of these players. Calipari even said it after 2015, it’s always used against you in recruiting. He said for 2 years he couldn’t recruit worth a damn due to that. Ball dominant guys who score aren’t going to commit to a team that’s said to be 10 deep. want to know why we ended up not getting Ament, who likely would have been at UK? That’s likely why.
It’s now a compounded problem as Oats and Golden have both mentioned Kentucky better be good this year and built this team up we can’t miss. All about recruiting. Same reason oats wanted people to think he was asked to come here by Kentucky. He wasn’t. But all of this is used to attack UK because we’re the threat in this conference to click at any moment and go 90’s on you.
All this to say, Mark can’t do this anymore. It’ll be used in bad ways and he’s still getting his feet wet, he can’t afford any problems. If we’re going to spend 20 mil, put the majority into some studs and get solid role guys. 6 / 7 deep, if they stay healthy, is the best way to go. Creates less tension and makes the team closer. I would love to go 20 deep but it’s just not feasible.
It’s now a compounded problem as Oats and Golden have both mentioned Kentucky better be good this year and built this team up we can’t miss. All about recruiting. Same reason oats wanted people to think he was asked to come here by Kentucky. He wasn’t. But all of this is used to attack UK because we’re the threat in this conference to click at any moment and go 90’s on you.
All this to say, Mark can’t do this anymore. It’ll be used in bad ways and he’s still getting his feet wet, he can’t afford any problems. If we’re going to spend 20 mil, put the majority into some studs and get solid role guys. 6 / 7 deep, if they stay healthy, is the best way to go. Creates less tension and makes the team closer. I would love to go 20 deep but it’s just not feasible.
That’s probably some of it. But the main problem, if it’s a problem?, with getting the top 10 type guys is the system.
Those guys simply don’t want to be seen as system players.
Pope needs to focus on getting the next level guys, either from high school or the portal, that fit his system.
Izzo is a perfect example. He doesn’t get those guys either since he’s a 100% system coach and everyone knows it.
He recruits to his system. It’s ugly, boring and effective.
Pope wants to recruit like Cal but play like Izzo.
That’s not a viable combination in today’s game.
"boring ugly and effective"
yeah hate to be that guy but we are currently watching our team be boring ugly and bad lol, who would ever want boring ugly and effective, i want a ton of threes, guys running up and down and slamming dunks
We didn’t have depth until he signed some portal guys. The pg1 was wide open to a few guys. Pope can’t sell it because he doesn’t have much success with pgs. We desperately need to add a rondo or a John wall to the staff to bring the elite guys. The problem isn’t being 10 deep it’s how pope uses his guys. He doesn’t play them 35 mpg. The key is getting target 1 at pg especially. Finding a back up pg will never be a problem see Aberdeen
We basically were told no by all of our first choices save maybe for JQ and Mo
You must watch a different game than me .
jq was the yaxel backup plan, mo was the mgbako,wilson,ament,magoon backup plan
Yeah, we don't play anything like Michigan State.
If Pope can’t get his top choices next year, it’s just going to be the same crap as this year.
For some reason he just can’t get any of the guys he’s vying for. Gillispie had an easier job getting 5 star players and he didn’t have an NIL to work with.
Just have to accept that as long as Pope is coach, you’re not going to get the best of the best. You won’t even get the second best and many times the third best either.
I don’t know what that means or if he can change it. Maybe if he makes staff changes? I don’t know. He’s got a lot riding on getting Stokes and or Collins. Miss out on both of those in addition to a underperforming year and I don’t even know why he even comes back next year. Just to be an even bigger disappointment?
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i think one of the insiders a month or so ago said there was a non zero chance we go into next year with no incoming freshman
That’ll pee off boosters throwing ridiculous amounts of money for the team.
It doesn’t even seem like we’re going after top 50 guys. If Pope loaded up on 4 stars I’d have some idea of what he’s doing.
So we’re going to be relying entirely on transfers again. Hopefully we aren’t dealing with a bunch of guys leaving at the end of the year.
well i mean over 80% of the top 75 is committed
and im not so sure if i want to watch us roll it out with a bunch of old guys with limited skillsets anymore
Where do you chicken littles come from?
Early prediction that simply comes from looking at the roster, no inside information:
IF this team gets back to business and turns this around (big if, I know) and winds up in 4,3, 2 seed category, I wouldn’t bank on us going heavy in the portal this offseason the way some fans probably are hoping for. One thing that people rarely mention is how young we really are as a roster. We have Oweh and Aberdeen as Seniors. We have Garrison who’s a junior technically but looks like he’s still a freshman. Lowe is injured (Junior). Quanintance (Sophomore) is certain to be NBA bound. Other than that, here’s your rotation:
Chandler (SO) - Solid starting role next year
Williams (SO) - Solid rotation player at minimum next year
Dioubate (JR) - No idea what the plan or expectation is there.
Moreno (FR) - Solid starting role next year
Johnson (FR) - Solid rotation player at minimum next year.
Hawthorne (RS FR) - Unknown but high potential, wouldn’t be shocked if he was a rotation player a year from now
Noah (SO) - Solid rotation player next year
Jelavic (SO) - Solid rotation player at minimum next year.
Lowe (JR) - Solid starting role next year.
Collins is a guaranteed at minimum rotation player.
Now, obviously not every one of those players is returning, but there will likely be a ton of guys returning that are already set for rotation spots and certain ones, if they return, are going to start. I know some people won’t be happy with that, but I’d go ahead and mentally prepare for that. I, for one, am excited about the prospect. We may be able to go all-in an absolute portal stud rather than trying to fill in all these spots because what we should return is massive. That’s my two cents based on what I’ve heard from Pope and assuming he has the plan I’d hope he’s put together.
IF this team gets back to business and turns this around (big if, I know) and winds up in 4,3, 2 seed category, I wouldn’t bank on us going heavy in the portal this offseason the way some fans probably are hoping for. One thing that people rarely mention is how young we really are as a roster. We have Oweh and Aberdeen as Seniors. We have Garrison who’s a junior technically but looks like he’s still a freshman. Lowe is injured (Junior). Quanintance (Sophomore) is certain to be NBA bound. Other than that, here’s your rotation:
Chandler (SO) - Solid starting role next year
Williams (SO) - Solid rotation player at minimum next year
Dioubate (JR) - No idea what the plan or expectation is there.
Moreno (FR) - Solid starting role next year
Johnson (FR) - Solid rotation player at minimum next year.
Hawthorne (RS FR) - Unknown but high potential, wouldn’t be shocked if he was a rotation player a year from now
Noah (SO) - Solid rotation player next year
Jelavic (SO) - Solid rotation player at minimum next year.
Lowe (JR) - Solid starting role next year.
Collins is a guaranteed at minimum rotation player.
Now, obviously not every one of those players is returning, but there will likely be a ton of guys returning that are already set for rotation spots and certain ones, if they return, are going to start. I know some people won’t be happy with that, but I’d go ahead and mentally prepare for that. I, for one, am excited about the prospect. We may be able to go all-in an absolute portal stud rather than trying to fill in all these spots because what we should return is massive. That’s my two cents based on what I’ve heard from Pope and assuming he has the plan I’d hope he’s put together.
heres my OPINION, the GUYS next year should be (jj,hawthorne,chandler,moreno, and whatever 5 star we bring in) make that 80% of your production, and dont do the whole balancing act
Not mind-blowing saying that. If insider said it was likely they wouldn't get a freshman that's a different story. Either way, guessing they'll get at least 1 freshman like Collins.
Also, are people just ignoring that Aberdeen was a top option as a combo guard?
bro at the end of the day its denzel aberdeen, we keep trying to make these guys into players they aint, and i give full credit to pope for that
which is why id love to see him just once bring in a guy with some juice to him, like a wilson or something
As of now, there’s still strong possibility we will have Collins. I’m not sure what the “balancing act” means but if Pope has shown one thing for sure over his career is he’s going to play ten guys. That’s not going to attract certain players. If I were a coach would I play ten? No, I wouldn’t. I do think that’s something he’s comfortable with and if we return the amount of guys we want, you can expect Collins to be in that rotation with all the returners. Pope sat in an interview on BBM presser and said we don’t need the number one high school player. I don’t know if he’s correct or not but there’s some method to his rationale. He wants to build a “sum is better than the parts” system the same way Hurley and Wright did. Whether his coaching acumen will allow that to reach maturity —- that remains to be seen. I absolutely trust the roster building strategy, and I wish fans would wait it out and see what comes of it. It’s so foreign to us doing it this way, but it is proven.
He had 36 pts 7rebs and 7assists yesterday with 0 turnovers!
We must be positive, we mustn’t point out any flaws, even if that’s all there is right now. I’ll be positive if we go 2-0 next week. Otherwise, what’s the point?
wym "but its proven" i doubt theres any other schools that plays the amount of players we do for that small amount of time
I agree with you about “be positive”. We haven’t seen much this season to be positive about. However, giving up on the coach and burning everything to the ground is where I’d encourage people to wait things out before jumping the gun.
I’m not talking about playing the amount of people in the rotation. I’m talking about roster construction. Did you completely skip out on reading where I said I wouldn’t have a 10 or more rotation if I were coaching?
call me crazy but even if we lose to unc and gonzaga i dont think we should worry, unless we lose by like 20 again
You have to have 1 alpha atleast i mean we gotta bunch of guys who are decent ball players thats it! Everyone of our guards have a weakness except maybe chandler.....Lowe can't guard ya with a gun and a badge ,OO can't dribble, Aberdeen is streaky pretty close to being good all around (little eractic) maybe cut down on bad passes . JJ i haven't seen enough of him to figure him out yet,but I don't view him as a PG either and thats the problem we only have one PG.
"we want high character guys"
"Many times we dicide to mutually part ways"
"Many times we dicide to mutually part ways"
Nah it’s not like that. Not like that at all. First of all players to where the money is first and foremost. He offers the most then they go. Second of all, he went for an older roster, that’s why a guy like Ament went UT. He wants the ball in his hands, we’ve got what looked to be 8-10 deep with older guys. It’s the depth and the age is the reason for why he missed some of those, not about any anything else. He’s literally likely the front runner for the top player in the country. He’s 100#% in the final 2 if history is any indication. Sorry what you’re saying makes no sense.
He’s also being cautious. Kentucky cannot go out here and pay the most for these players. It would set a precedent and it’s bad business. It would turn into “if you want him go 10% higher” on every player we recruit. Must be more methodical that that. Theee agents are definitely trying to gouge Kentucky due to our base and financial backing.
He just pulled Aberdeen, MM, and Jasper who was a top player in his class most of the way through. He can recruit.
Mark is simply trying to go older and that runs off the Aments of the class. Also if you want to win titles freshman is not going to give you that. Mark is right, this just happened to be a good freshman class for the first time in a long time.
you’re way off the page, way, way off the page.
This whole season might ride on Kentucky’s performances this December. I certainly think if we don’t do well in the SEC that the tournament committee will look at this month as the reason to keep us out. I’m hoping for 6-0 but my head is saying we probably go 2-4 or 3-3.
Heading into the SEC with 5-6 losses with our opening conference game at Alabama who blew us out last game will certainly be depressing.
They make no sense at all. Just listening to it is hard to fathom being that dense. Can’t recruit but got top players in class and one of the top transfers in the county lol.
Don’t know if he’s going to work or not but what a load of BS. Just because it’s not working right now doesn’t mean on paper it wasn’t a really good class and really good recruits. This is all hindsight nonsense.
Depends on the context, but there are very few scenarios where that shouldn’t be worrisome.
The UNC game may serve as a must-win in terms of seeding. If you drop games early, it puts you behind the eight ball. I agree we are in a tough predicament but there’s a whole lot of ball left to play.
Dent isn't doing great at UCLA, and Xavian Lee at Florida is shooting around 20% overall and about 19% from 3 with about 7.5 3 point shots per game-seems we dodged a big bullet here.