Jay Will?
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I'm tired of all the people saying he shut it down as well. This coming from a person who stayed in school three years when he cold have left early. He stayed and risked injury.
If Zion should shut it down then probably the projected to 10 to 15 players should as well. Nobody is saying Barrett, Reddish & Unc's Little should shut it down.
If Zion should shut it down then probably the projected to 10 to 15 players should as well. Nobody is saying Barrett, Reddish & Unc's Little should shut it down.
Why isn't he talking about all the other projected 1st rounders shutting it down? They are all risking injury. The whole conversation is ridiculous and completely contrived so that sports media will have something to talk about.
I was watching the NBA last night and Charles Barkley tells all the talking heads to shut up and that the kid should play basketball. He said David Robinson, Michael Jordan, and Tim Duncan all played more than one year in college and everything was fine. Called them all idiots for even suggesting it.
Thats why Sir Charles is the best. I know some don't like him, especially when he talks College ball (since he can be uninformed on the subject). But hes actually pretty smart and practical. He used to piss me off because he always hated on the 7-seconds or less Suns in the playoffs, but he was always right, when theyd play the Spurs or some other tough team theyd always lose.
Untill he says something y’all don’t agree with. Than it’s hes stupid blah blah haha. How the waves in here today? 
This is definitely a generational argument. Jason, who did stay three years, had been an advocate for college athlete reform. And no, he’s not mentioning the other lottery picks, but be honest, no one is talking about them.
I personally don’t know where I stand in this argument. I get both sides of it. As a Duke fan I would love to see Zion finish it out. I think he will do so. His parents are of that generation to not quit. As a Zion fan, I also get why people say shut it down, but that argument has no case because no was saying skip the season after the Kentucky game. Everyone was on the “can’t wait to see what he does next” train. So the argument has only come up because of a busted shoe.
I don’t think the true argument is for Zion anymore. I think this will become a much bigger thing until a rule change about entering early is firmly in place.
What this does for Zion though, is it becomes a transcendent part of his legacy. He now becomes stamped as a rule changer. That’s huge for him!
I’m sure there will be a 30 for 30 titled “A Kid, A Shoe, A Movement.” The NCAA, Nike, and NBA all now are in the spotlight for the wrong reasons because their best asset in years was put in jeopardy. Your move guys.
I personally don’t know where I stand in this argument. I get both sides of it. As a Duke fan I would love to see Zion finish it out. I think he will do so. His parents are of that generation to not quit. As a Zion fan, I also get why people say shut it down, but that argument has no case because no was saying skip the season after the Kentucky game. Everyone was on the “can’t wait to see what he does next” train. So the argument has only come up because of a busted shoe.
I don’t think the true argument is for Zion anymore. I think this will become a much bigger thing until a rule change about entering early is firmly in place.
What this does for Zion though, is it becomes a transcendent part of his legacy. He now becomes stamped as a rule changer. That’s huge for him!
I’m sure there will be a 30 for 30 titled “A Kid, A Shoe, A Movement.” The NCAA, Nike, and NBA all now are in the spotlight for the wrong reasons because their best asset in years was put in jeopardy. Your move guys.
J Will should be out there encouraging kids to not be a * on a motorcycle. As if putting on s unc jersey isn't annoying enough.
Appreciate the comment - but let's curb the language a bit. Thanks man...*Kville
Appreciate the comment - but let's curb the language a bit. Thanks man...*Kville
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He's welcome to say what he wants and that's his opinion but if you listen to the guy it sounds like he could care less about college basketball which is funny because that's where he makes his money.
He is my second favorite Duke player, but one of my least favorite commentators.
His injury was a non contact injury. It had nothing to do with the quote unquote extra risk of playing in a competitive game. His injury would have occurred if he was wearing that shoe while doing drills leading up to the draft. Are we saying then that he shouldn’t do any drills leading up to the draft? No pick up games? Should he just play NBA2019 instead?
Williams said Zion should walk away from college and not play another minute at Duke.
If Zion were to walk away it would put a really bad taste in my mouth and I would probably quit watching college sports all together. He obviously wanted to play before the minor injury but if he wanted to get paid he could have gone overseas for a year and probably made a good chunk of change.
If Zion played for UNC and some of these same experts were saying he should sit, would we agree with them? I'd ask each of you to think about it in that way.
What I'm trying to say is this....a legitimate argument can be made on both sides. Obviously as Duke fans, we want him to play. It makes us one of, if not the favorite, to cut down the nets. If we're honest with ourselves, there's some selfishness tied into it.
What I'm trying to say is this....a legitimate argument can be made on both sides. Obviously as Duke fans, we want him to play. It makes us one of, if not the favorite, to cut down the nets. If we're honest with ourselves, there's some selfishness tied into it.
Dukie Jay
I can honestly say it wouldn’t matter to me what uniform he was in. I’m just trying to understand what the legitimate argument is.
Had he sustained an injury that would leave his kneee at less than 100%, weakened and at further risk then I would completely understand the argument.
Zion will be 100% by the ACC Tournament. Meaning, he will be just as healthy if not more than what he was in Canada and up until the UNC game.
Then what has changed from before the injury to post injury after he’s healed?
Wouldn’t his risk of injury be the same playing as it would be while he’s doing basketball prep for the NBA leading up to the draft?
To me, the ONLY valid argument is if he has MENTAL reservations. But if the kid is fine and not even thinking about it, then I don’t see the benefit.
I can honestly say it wouldn’t matter to me what uniform he was in. I’m just trying to understand what the legitimate argument is.
Had he sustained an injury that would leave his kneee at less than 100%, weakened and at further risk then I would completely understand the argument.
Zion will be 100% by the ACC Tournament. Meaning, he will be just as healthy if not more than what he was in Canada and up until the UNC game.
Then what has changed from before the injury to post injury after he’s healed?
Wouldn’t his risk of injury be the same playing as it would be while he’s doing basketball prep for the NBA leading up to the draft?
To me, the ONLY valid argument is if he has MENTAL reservations. But if the kid is fine and not even thinking about it, then I don’t see the benefit.
My feelings are you should honor the commitment you made to your teammates and coaches when you signed on the dotted line, I do not care who or what team you played on. It is a game and he is going to make millions playing a game next year no matter if he got hurt or not. I would say the same thing if he played for Carolina.
We as a society need to stop being so soft and wrapping these people in a bubble.
How many guys have gone to college to play basketball and gotten hurt which in turn cost them millions? I cannot think of one. When you think about it, could you and your family live off 35 million and not 45 million if you fell from number 1 to number 3 in the draft?
You know how to make this stupid debate end? Let the players make money off of their own brand.
Wow...magic. Then Zion has a reason to continue playing college ball.
Zion should already have a 100 million dollar shoe contract with Nike, that contract would be contingent upon him playing every possible game he is healthy to play in.
Wow...magic. Then Zion has a reason to continue playing college ball.
Zion should already have a 100 million dollar shoe contract with Nike, that contract would be contingent upon him playing every possible game he is healthy to play in.
Every day is a risk of injury — should he stop practicing too? That’s just as dangerous. When he signs his first NBA contract, should he shut it down again? His rookie contract won’t be as big as the one down the road, so really he should sit in bubble wrap for a few years.
He will be the number 1 pick as long as he is breathing. I don’t see a logical argument to be made that he should stop playing at Duke. It’s infuriating how stupid an argument it is actually.
He will be the number 1 pick as long as he is breathing. I don’t see a logical argument to be made that he should stop playing at Duke. It’s infuriating how stupid an argument it is actually.
@Duke Blu and @duhondukie....I don't disagree with either of you. I'm just laying out all of his options and I don't see right or wrong with either.
You want this solved? How about the NCAA pulls their head's out of their 'you know what's' and let's these kids make money of their own brand?
You want this solved? How about the NCAA pulls their head's out of their 'you know what's' and let's these kids make money of their own brand?
I would not have a different opinion. I would sarcastically say that he should sit out. But not in my heart believe that.
Of course there is selfishness involved as fans. It is obviously not our future at stake. But he committed to play for Duke. That commitment should be honored for his one year at Duke. (Which I have no doubt will be). On the flip side, it would be selfish for a player to commit to a team and then sit out after half the season was over. That is a worse kind of selfishness IMO.
If his injury was more serious and his progression time was 4-6 weeks, meaning that he may be available for the tournament. Then I would have no issues with his advisors recommending he sit it out. As it stands, go out there and play. Which like I said, I have no doubt that is his intentions. None of this is a knock on Zion, just the idea.
This is an ignorant argument to make. If anyone calls on a player to set out due to injury than obviously they should be required to set out on all physical activities including prepping for professional ball. Practicing ball is just as dangerous as playing in games.
I would t say it no matter who it was. You came to that school to play if you don’t fulfill that you should be done there for good
I would not. They should play. Stay with your team and play every game while at the school. No matter who you play for.
Anybody saying players should sit out are just silly and really have no idea what they are even talking about. There is no argument to be made. Zion, or any college player, is going to have to continue to play and train to get better. There is 100% just as good of a chance they would get hurt in a pick up game or training as there is in a game. There actually may be less chance of getting hurt in a real game because you are playing in a game with other elite athletes that normally know how not to hurt other guys. You don't always get that in pickup games. Zion, probably has less to lose than any of the other guys that are playing. He has shown how good he is going to be and barring something totally out of the ordinary, he will go top 5 and get a great shoe deal. He has solidified his draft stock either way in that he would get drafted pretty the same spot even if he were hurt. People just like to hear themselves talk and have all of these "hot takes".
I can see both sides of this. He is risking injury, but so is every other player. The only way to not risk injury is don't play at all. And basketball is entertainment. If there are no NBA fans, there's no NBA. No NBA, no draft. No draft, no need to worry about draft stock or injury. I love Duke basketball, but I will say this, if it starts to become common that the best players come in and play half a season to showcase their talent, then "shut it down", I think I'll lose interest and get to the point that I don't care who wins and won't watch anymore. Waiting to see how good we can be after our best 3 players "shut it down" would ruin this game for me.
"Shut it down"......I even think that phrase sounds stupid
"Shut it down"......I even think that phrase sounds stupid
I have always said Jay is my all time favorite Dukie, but something , I can't even really put my finger on it, but something about him has been rubbing me the wrong way for a few years now.
He's in my top 5 all time Duke players for sure. Could take over a game like no one but Zion. But he always sounds defensive and a bit condescending. Maybe because of Seth.
I remember Duncan when he played his senior year all the talking idiots said he’d drop from the #1 spot. Did it happen? Nope!!!’