Exactly cause sometimes they bank a 3 in and there’s nothing you could have done about it
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I mean, there are two different things being said here.
1) we are basically at our ceiling defensively, so our path to improvement is through better offense
2) offense is more important than defense, in general
(1) is obviously correct. (2) is false. If you swapped our offensive and defensive prowess we would be in the exact same place
This. Defense is mostly about effort not skill. It's a great strategy to focus on that when you take over a team with little talent.
We are recruiting better basketball players now. With that will come better offense simply because there are shooters and scorers.
Yes but on 2)
It’s so much more fun to watch us score 80 points and lose 5 points…..vs. watching us score 60 points and lose by 5 points!
Because scoring is fun!
Defense isn’t fun!
For #2, I'd say offense is more important to recruit, in general. It's also harder to recruit.
Pike does an amazing job not only teaching defense but in-game switching defenses to maximize players strengths and minimize weaknesses. I don't think coaching can do as much offensively. IOW, you can hide a slow footed defender for a few minutes at a time if you value his offense, but not so much with a guy who can't shoot.
Amazing how people turned this into an offensive lopsided team vs defensive lopsided team argument.
Jay wright simply said if you’re a team who’s goal to win is to hold a team to a certain amount of points it’s a suboptimal strategy. There are plenty of good defenses out there who also have + offensive strategies and emphasize good offense.
Jay wright simply said if you’re a team who’s goal to win is to hold a team to a certain amount of points it’s a suboptimal strategy. There are plenty of good defenses out there who also have + offensive strategies and emphasize good offense.
Oh, you think that Pike would not prefer a better offense with the same defense? lol
Prefer and actively choosing not to care about it as much as defense are different things.
C’mon man we have 7 years of press conferences and games this is not deniable.
you can certainly win big with a defensive mind focus, but you need to be consistent in believing that your defense generates your offense IMO.
What we did A LOT this year was get stops and then run a half court offense. Just didn’t make sense to me.
Rutgers needs to build depth and guys that can get out and run in transition. I don’t think our team was well suited for that aside from a couple guys.
And LOL at Jay Wright. Jay made a career off illegally paying players to attend Villanova. The dude calls in retirement when everything becomes legal.
What we did A LOT this year was get stops and then run a half court offense. Just didn’t make sense to me.
Rutgers needs to build depth and guys that can get out and run in transition. I don’t think our team was well suited for that aside from a couple guys.
And LOL at Jay Wright. Jay made a career off illegally paying players to attend Villanova. The dude calls in retirement when everything becomes legal.
The top four seeds in the tournament — Houston, Alabama, Kansas and Purdue — all have a reputation for making their opponents look like they’re violating James Naismith’s 13 rules on offense. According to Ken Pomeroy’s metrics, the quartet has an average adjusted defensive efficiency ranking of 10.0, better than the typical No. 1 seed’s ranking (13.1) going back to 2002. But there’s a catch. For as good as these four teams are defensively, they also struggle considerably more on offense than typical No. 1 seeds.
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Im sure he would but what has he done to try to improve our offense? Idk if its tracked but my guess is we have the least amount of movement on offense than 95% of teams in america
Yes, future teams will be much faster and more athletic to turn defense into offense. Paul Cam and Caleb were the 3 ball handlers on the court most and none are fast and get out and run
Simpson Davis Warren Dylan Ace Griffiths Ndongo all better suited to score in transition
I am sorry, you are just wrong on this. If you want to see intensity, watch the rebound effort players make in the NBA vs college on contested rebounds. It is a war in the NBA, everyone fights for position, everyone boxes out.
The reason You think the defensive intensity is is higher in college is because they are doing things that don’t work in the NBA. Take a couple of things Rutgers does on a regular basis. You can’t utilize pressing defenses in the nba because the point guards are too good with the ball and can dribble right though it, and then you have a 5 on 3 mismatch on the other end leading to easy scores. Rutgers also regularly doubles the player with the ball on the perimeter. In NBA, that means that someone is wide open on the court, and they will pass until they find the open man for an uncontested shot. The NBA is predicated on much more intense man to man defense, with much less help and much less double teaming. Even the most elite kids coming out of college do not know how to play adequate man to man defense, which is why they have trouble getting onto the court. Most teams carry 2 to 3 3andD players, whose job is to stand on the 3 point line on offense so the stars have room to operate and an outlet if they need to give the ball up, and to play tough man to man defense on the other end.
I thought Paul and Cam both at times looked to pass the ball up the court quickly, the problem was, the guys they were passing it up to weren't guys you want taking quick transition 3's or weren't guys who can attack and kick out for 3's.
Griffiths sprinting to corners is a game-changer in that regard.
If Simpson can learn to push the ball up the court and make good decisions, also a game changer.
Same if they bring in a mature PG who can shoot and play this style efficiently.
We could be a very different team both personnel and playing style next season.
If Paul leaves, the style of play will look much different if we replace him with a quick portal PG to go along with Simpson and Davis
Griffiths and Ndongo have ball skills too. They could grab a board and start the transition
I'm not looking to criticize Pike. Very good coach. But saying that it only worked in 19 games this year ignores that it did not work in 15 games and had us out in the 1st round of the NIT. The importance of offense in sports these days as compared to decades ago is something to be tangled with.
What should we expect out of Ndongos game? Haven’t seen him but hearing good things
Jay Billas was on ESPN 98.7 around noon and poked holes in Jay Wright's theory. He said 21 of the 32 teams in Thursday's games failed to score above 70 points. The level of shooters at the college level is nowhere near that of the pro level, which is why teams put so much emphasis on defense. Also, the rules at the NBA are designed to promote offense. You can't play true zone defense in the NBA like you can at the college level. Defensive 3-seconds does not exist in college, which helps to open up the lane. You're not comparing apples to apples.
Ndongo is awesome. He was severely underrated initally, but keeps climbing every time new rankings come out. He will be a 4 star by the time it's done and is already on one site. Looks like a top 100 type player
He transfered to an elite HS and did very well this season. 6'10, long, extremely athletic. Shot blocker. Can dribble and shoot for his size
Probably Mag's backup next season, but we'll see what happens in the portal. Could be a stretch 5 if he bulks up eventually, but seems more like a tall, long, athletic 4 since he has perimeter skills. He has the potential to be the dream all around stretch 4 that we haven't really had here at Rutgers
We had posters saying we needed to score 70+ to win after Mag. We did that against Nebraska, Minnesota, and Hofstra. Lost all 3
I mean you can say I’m wrong but it’s also my opinion.
Can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen NBA guys just be lazy or give up on plays on the defensive side of the ball.
This has nothing to do with pressing, man to man etc. haha.
Recruit better players who can create their own shot. Why do you think Simpson saw more playing time. Pike did what he could with what he had on offense.
Rutgers performance on defense was far worse at the end of the season which is a main reasson for losing 15 games.For most of the B1G TEN season the defense was stellar but the offense was mediocre.
This post isn’t apples to apples because Wright wasn’t saying you need to score 70 to win he just said you can’t build a team that has a primary mantra of keeping teams under a certain amount of points as their main plan to win games.