Jerry Kill Poll

[RURahh]

Taking away the fact that he is one of the most respected people in college football and has a proven track record as a HEAD Coach, let's look at this a different way

Given the improved assets he has available versus what we had in Year 1, and the body of work we have seen this far, what is your opinion on what Rutgers should do. Keep in mind that he is making over 650,000 so finding money for a new offensive coordinator on not an issue if you believe a change should be made IF the offense does not change in the next 5 games

 

[Tango Two]

Taking away the fact that he is one of the most respected people in college football and has a proven track record as a HEAD Coach, let's look at this a different way

Given the improved assets he has available versus what we had in Year 1, and the body of work we have seen this far, what is your opinion on what Rutgers should do. Keep in mind that he is making over 650,000 so finding money for a new offensive coordinator on not an issue if you believe a change should be made IF the offense does not change in the next 5 games

Its an issue of talent

 

[BlockR]

his play calls in yesterdays game were beyond bad in the second half. Running a running back into an eight man front over and over and have six straight three and outs was beyond bad.I respect Coach Kill ,i know our WRs talent and WR coaching is bad,but his play calls are rather poor yesterday..Keep him on staff 100%,but get someone else to call the plays.

 

[ArminRU]

All the options are retarded

 

[NickRU714]

Its an issue of talent

Is it safe to assume we will always be at a talent deficit with regards to OSU/UM/PSU/MSU - teams we will play every year? Also Wisconsin.

If so, could an innovative offense be a way to close the talent gap? Out-scheme teams since we will never out-talent them?

 

[MADHAT1]

Calls plays based on talent available, but a bit too conservative for my taste.

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

RU just won back to back B1G games and fans are questioning the coaches. Some of you are insufferable.

 

[mychaljohn]

This poll is ********. Pick a different team to be an *** about.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

There’s ZERO question here as Kill is going nowhere unless he decides to leave. Not sure the need for poll? IIRC the OP has been VERY outspoken in his anti-Ash/Kill stance recently so not surprising.

 

[KJRU]

This just got added to my list of dumbest posts ever, RutgersAl thanks you.

 

[csphi]

Taking away the fact that he is one of the most respected people in college football and has a proven track record as a HEAD Coach, let's look at this a different way

Given the improved assets he has available versus what we had in Year 1, and the body of work we have seen this far, what is your opinion on what Rutgers should do. Keep in mind that he is making over 650,000 so finding money for a new offensive coordinator on not an issue if you believe a change should be made IF the offense does not change in the next 5 games

People this dumb shouldn’t be allowed to procreate

 

[Bob Chaewsky_rivals]

Skewed toward the negative. How about "I just like him."

 

[Tango Two]

Is it safe to assume we will always be at a talent deficit with regards to OSU/UM/PSU/MSU - teams we will play every year? Also Wisconsin.

If so, could an innovative offense be a way to close the talent gap? Out-scheme teams since we will never out-talent them?

We have no QB

 

[R U Crazy]

Anything that results in Jerry Kill leaving this team is bad.
He brought instant credibility to staff.
RU needs a QB and WR's that can separate and catch.
Also, an Oline that can hold up the pash rush (They seem to be good run blockers)
Jerome Washington seems to be the only reliable target of our QB's.
Do I think his play call was uber conservative?
heck yes.
Was I happy with it
heck no
But i dont know what else we could have done.

 

[ClassOf02v.2]

Same OP as the now-deleted 'worst conference win ever' thread, no? Time to get the hell outta here.

 

[RUschool]

his play calls in yesterdays game were beyond bad in the second half. Running a running back into an eight man front over and over and have six straight three and outs was beyond bad.I respect Coach Kill ,i know our WRs talent and WR coaching is bad,but his play calls are rather poor yesterday..Keep him on staff 100%,but get someone else to call the plays.

Sounds like Flood's offense for the first 2 years, I would think everyone is familiar with it.

 

[RURahh]

This board wanted Mehringer run out of town. It's easy to argue that we have far better talent on offense this year but have gotten less production. Our 4 star receiver has been a non event and our highly touted QB was clearly not ready to play this year

Our talent can't be that bad if 2 WR are on NFL rosters and we have better talent aand depth at running back in a long time. Our defense has played well enough that we could be easily be 5-2, so this is not a rip on Ash. It's more about what has Jerry Kill ever done to make him an offensive guru, we payed Ralph Fridgen less money and got the best results in a decade

 

[NickRU714]

We have no QB

Ok, you didn't answer my questions.
But I'll play your game

Yes, we currently we have limited QB capability.
Will this always be the case?
If yes, then shouldn't we go all the way and run the triple-option?
If not, is running this type of offense the best situation to beat the teams in our division?

Based on our offensive production and tendacies, I don't believe what we are currently doing is a framework for sustainable success at Rutgers in the BIG TEN East going forward.

 

[graystork]

Not enough info. I need to see what he can do with either:

1.A quarterback that can throw the ball or
2. Wide receivers that can get open

 

[tru2ru1]

All the options are retarded

As is the OP

 

[RUMBA-JK]

A team is being built - and while it may not be thrilling, a more solid & long lasting team is built by first putting robust strong 'fundamentals' building blocks in place and then mixing in the excitement and flourish - have seen attempts to swiftly construct a team upon dazzle & flourish - and it rarely works - and never lasts.
Some may find Jerry Kill football to be blunt, dull, basic & painfully fundamental ... but that is B1G football - and if Rutgers gets 3-4 years of this exciting-as-a-bulldozer football - the overall quality of the program will rise to a point where a move to add in a large dose of more exciting style can be done successfully - and powerfully.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

This board wanted Mehringer run out of town. It's easy to argue that we have far better talent on offense this year but have gotten less production. Our 4 star receiver has been a non event and our highly touted QB was clearly not ready to play this year

Our talent can't be that bad if 2 WR are on NFL rosters and we have better talent aand depth at running back in a long time. Our defense has played well enough that we could be easily be 5-2, so this is not a rip on Ash. It's more about what has Jerry Kill ever done to make him an offensive guru, we payed Ralph Fridgen less money and got the best results in a decade

Dude our OL is pretty bad. That’s 3/4ths of the issue on O. Kinda easy to figure out the rest once you accept this fact.

 

[RUfromSoCal?]

You want to 'look at it another way'????????????????????

here's your other way:

Kill is doing great job....

 

[RURahh]

Dude our OL is pretty bad. That’s 3/4ths of the issue on O. Kinda easy to figure out the rest once you accept this fact.

Last week people thought our OL was second behind Alabama. I do think AJ is one of our best assistants, just watching him during the games is infectious and he is probably our best recruiter. I think our OL has the potential to be a team strength next year

 

[RU31trap]

At 600K Per year he's doing a terrific job. In my honest opinion he needs two or three more players on that offense and we're looking at a 7-5 season. The guy is doing a terrific job.

 

[Bones131]

This board wanted Mehringer run out of town. It's easy to argue that we have far better talent on offense this year but have gotten less production. Our 4 star receiver has been a non event and our highly touted QB was clearly not ready to play this year

Our talent can't be that bad if 2 WR are on NFL rosters and we have better talent aand depth at running back in a long time. Our defense has played well enough that we could be easily be 5-2, so this is not a rip on Ash. It's more about what has Jerry Kill ever done to make him an offensive guru, we payed Ralph Fridgen less money and got the best results in a decade

1. We don't have a QB on the roster that can reliably complete a pass. Think about that for a second. We play in the toughest division in college football without a QB that can throw.

2. Why are you relying on true freshmen to step up? Isn't that the role of juniors and seniors?

 

[dvb91]

Honestly, Kill is a gigantic improvement over DM and I tend to blame Ash for the various missteps this season. For example, I believe Bolin is all on him and he probably 'promised' the starting job to him to get him here, while yesterday's 2nd half 'run it up the gut' offense was all on Ash's belief that Purdue didn't have what it takes to tie the game (I thought it was the right call, despite the innanity of running the same damn plays on offense).

Given the above, Kill still needs to do a better job in getting the offense really going. Whether that's developing the QB's we have or getting our young receivers some more touches, he needs to diversify the offense a bit more or we'll lose some very winnable games. It's quite possible Ash will rein the offense some, but Kill needs to push the envelope a bit more and open up the playbook.

 

[MADHAT1]

We have no QB

ugly win or not: that no QB led RU to victory both games he started.
Might not be a Heisman candidate , but so far Rutgers has won against teams they are close to in the talent department, so Rutgers has a winner at QB even if he's not going to make any of the All-American or All B1G teams this year.

I;m not saying Gio is the most talented QB on the RU roster, but I won't knock his talent after RU won two B1G games in a row with him being the starter..

 

[BoogieKnight]

A team is being built - and while it may not be thrilling, a more solid & long lasting team is built by first putting robust strong 'fundamentals' building blocks in place and then mixing in the excitement and flourish - have seen attempts to swiftly construct a team upon dazzle & flourish - and it rarely works - and never lasts.
Some may find Jerry Kill football to be blunt, dull, basic & painfully fundamental ... but that is B1G football - and if Rutgers gets 3-4 years of this exciting-as-a-bulldozer football - the overall quality of the program will rise to a point where a move to add in a large dose of more exciting style can be done successfully - and powerfully.

This. Have to think big picture here. Those who don't will be disappointed.

 

[RUChoppin]

Kill stays for next year - why is this even a question at this point?

 

[hiwater]

Its an issue of talent

No it's not. Even teams like Army and the lower level B10 teams produce more offense against the better teams like Ohio St. We just disappear. We have as much talent right now as Maryland, but they actually were able to move the football and put up points on OSU with a backup QB's backup. It's game calling and the type of routes the receivers run.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Last week people thought our OL was second behind Alabama. I do think AJ is one of our best assistants, just watching him during the games is infectious and he is probably our best recruiter. I think our OL has the potential to be a team strength next year

It’s not coaching. Our OL just needs new pieces. There are a few just not getting it done out there.

@Scarlet Shack

 

[oldtimer67]

This board wanted Mehringer run out of town. It's easy to argue that we have far better talent on offense this year but have gotten less production. Our 4 star receiver has been a non event and our highly touted QB was clearly not ready to play this year

"Have gotten less production"? Can you count? How many conference wins did we have under DM?

 

[AreYouNUTS]

No it's not. Even teams like Army and the lower level B10 teams produce more offense against the better teams like Ohio St. We just disappear. We have as much talent right now as Maryland, but they actually were able to move the football and put up points on OSU with a backup QB's backup. It's game calling and the type of routes the receivers run.

Now for the actual FACTS:

Maryland amassed 66 yards of total offense against Ohio State. 27 of them on the last drive of the game in which they got the ball on the 27 and scored. Their other score was on the 100 yard kickoff return.

At 209 yards of O vs OSU we LITERALLY had more than 3x’s The Twerps.

 

[hiwater]

Ok, you didn't answer my questions.
But I'll play your game

Yes, we currently we have limited QB capability.
Will this always be the case?
If yes, then shouldn't we go all the way and run the triple-option?
If not, is running this type of offense the best situation to beat the teams in our division?

Based on our offensive production and tendacies, I don't believe what we are currently doing is a framework for sustainable success at Rutgers in the BIG TEN East going forward.

Limited by what? The play calling or his play. It wasn't his play. He made nice throws for the most part in both games and bought a little extra time in each game with his feet. He isn't floating balls to the sidelines or overthrowing his guys down the field.

Bolin could not have throw that TD pass yesterday. If was perfect touch down the sideline. Bolin would have overthrown it or put it out of bounds. Gio scrambled away from pressure and delivered a very good deep ball down the sidelines to Washington, but he alligator armed it with one bent arm while he braced the other arm in front of him for a hit that wasn't coming. The ball went off his hand. Bolin would have overthrown that one too if history is a guide.

He isn't killing us with untimely turnover either. He may not be a Heisman QB, but the unimaginative and predictable play calling is what is limiting he and the WR's.

 

[oldtimer67]

Kill has repeated in his pressers that he was brought here to keep the defense off the field. He is doing just what his boss wants him to do, i.e. protect the defense. Based on the last two games it is pretty much working. Could there be other approaches, sure. But Ash's approach is to build a dominant defense (not anywhere near there yet, but getting better) and bring the offense along as quickly as possible (which so far is not too quick). Ash is not the first coach to build/ rebuild a team around its defense. Schiano?

Ash is not going anywhere soon, so we are stuck with his philosophy. As Kill is a critical piece of Ash implementing his philosophy, Kill is not going anywhere soon either, unless he decides it on his own.

 

[rags]

Not for nothing, but there were many a year where the Giants deployed a prevent offense under Parcells ... is our defense that stout to do the same?

NO!

however, it worked yesterday with a bend don't break effort.

Winning ugly is still winning and when the talent improves, I expect the play calling to improve too.

 

[Scarlet4ever]

We have a QB who regardless of his tenacity and toughness is hobbling around on one leg and has a noodle for an arm. Yet we are wondering why the offense is struggling. He avoided turnovers which helped us against a team that our D could stop. He couldn't roll out without falling down on his own.....that is how bad his leg is right now. He tried one read option and basically fell down trying to make a cut. With a QB that can perform, we will look much better.

 

[BoogieKnight]

No it's not. Even teams like Army and the lower level B10 teams produce more offense against the better teams like Ohio St. We just disappear. We have as much talent right now as Maryland, but they actually were able to move the football and put up points on OSU with a backup QB's backup. It's game calling and the type of routes the receivers run.

Now for the actual FACTS:

Maryland amassed 66 yards of total offense against Ohio State. 27 of them on the last drive of the game in which they got the ball on the 27 and scored. Their other score was on the 100 yard kickoff return.

At 209 yards of O vs OSU we LITERALLY had more than 3x’s The Twerps.

Don't let facts ruin a good (or bad) narrative.

By the way, does anyone want to run the triple option offense to get a few meaningless scores on the board against OSU next year? And I follow and root for Army so I'm not knocking them. But that's why they scored against OSU...the triple option is a pain in the *** to defend.

 

[ddsmugs]

We are also in the era of the back shoulder throw....most teams are trusting the wr to make a play on a jump ball. We don't have that wr on the roster.