Jerry Kill Poll
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2 conference wins so far vs 0 for all of last year, the biggest change being Kill as OC/ and guru to Ash, and some question his value/effectiveness and contributions. Hysterical. Good chance he can double his salary elsewhere next year just by remaining an OC for a bigger budget school.
AND, if he can deal with the stress of HC again he can triple this years salary, he wouldn't be waiting long for the phone to ring.
He's got nearly zilch weapons to work with, yet has 2 conference wins this year so far, vs none last year and 1 the previous years.
Looking a gift horse in the mouth. Maybe I can find the gif.
AND, if he can deal with the stress of HC again he can triple this years salary, he wouldn't be waiting long for the phone to ring.
He's got nearly zilch weapons to work with, yet has 2 conference wins this year so far, vs none last year and 1 the previous years.
Looking a gift horse in the mouth. Maybe I can find the gif.
Gio does not have a rocket arm but it's not a "noodle". The pass to Blackshear was a beauty. The one to Washington was too, that should have been a TD. Why we didn't go deep more often leaves me puzzled.
The reason why we won yesterday is because we didn't turn the ball over. Purdue did. Call it conservative, it worked.
Don't be so sure. OP might write a letter ...and get a form email from not one but 2 "higher ups".
[roll] what a joker!
Fwiw, this is the same clown that assured Flood would remain on board at the end of 2015 ...with his super solid "source" that had been right 2 x before.
This is somewhat my thinking. I can't think of a better alternative at present than what we're doing now. It's fine for now but there has to be a transition out of it, next year will be year 3 under Ash and year 2 under Kill so I hope the offense opens up more and shows more than we have this year. If we can't I don't think it's a sustainable philosophy for our program to move forward.
Kill has brought more credibility to the offense/program and has been without a doubt an upgrade over DM.
While we haven't seen the results we've wanted to see on the field (particularly at the QB position from Bolin early), the potential is definitely there and I'm curious to see what the product is 2 years from now at this point - his health permitting.
While we haven't seen the results we've wanted to see on the field (particularly at the QB position from Bolin early), the potential is definitely there and I'm curious to see what the product is 2 years from now at this point - his health permitting.
Well there is a middle ground between an inexperienced DM (who btw many here were excited about when he got hired, I was open to him but wasn't thrilled same for Kill) and what we're doing now being very conservative. I'm okay with it for now. But in the future next year and beyond will we be moving towards that middle ground or continue to be so conservative?You want to 'look at it another way'????????????????????
here's your other way:
Kill is doing great job....
Dr Frankenstein could not build his monster without the right body parts.
Agree with point 1. I don't follow recruiting much so can't make an real comment about players that never see the field. The thing I'd ask is our staff able to find guys that play the qb position better than what we've seen?
Forget about the guys on the roster, I feel like we whiffed on the grad transfers in Allen(DM) and Bolin(Kill) and wonder if we are capable of identifying guys that can do the job consistently. It's like I've mentioned in the past, it's not accident some of those offensive gurus you see out there continue to crank out solid qbs time and again. Part is a byproduct of system and part is they know the qualities they want in qb and can identify them. Is that something we can do? Do schools at the P5 ever look down to the G5 or even lower for grad transfers?
This is a stupid post. No wonder why Rutgers has no identity on offense. We've had 9 offensive coordinators in 8 years. For once, can we please have some continuity and some semblance of consistency. This is one of the reason's why this program is made to suffer and why we've looked so clueless on offense for several years.
I agree with this and voted in what's at present the majority and see what he does next year and if we do open it up a little on offense.
BUT that doesn't mean you can't question the philosophy or even what I suggested might not be a bad idea in hiring an offensive consultant if we had the money for it. More programs are doing the "consultant" thing these days. Co-OCs/co-DCs is something you see a lot of these days too. There's no shame in it and having a second set of seasoned eyes, not at DM type, isn't a bad thing.
I've mentioned Dennis Erickson in the past as comparison to Kill when he first got hired just to temper the excitement not that it was a bad choice. He was the co-OC at Utah at one point. He got demoted after a year. He was a national champion coach, has resurrected some programs and coached in the NFL multiple times so you can't get much more gravitas than that but see what happened.
If coaches were never wrong, no one would ever get fired. Not a fan of this "sit down shut up" notion even if some can be a little over the top at times in voicing their outrage. As long as person is "here's what I think here's why I think it" have a debate about it rather than silencing others to fall in line.
This. It might not be exciting, but focusing on deliberate, error-free offense has kept us in every game but one and made it possible to win 3, including 2 that most didn't expect and including losing 1 that most expected to win. It's frustrating at times, but I'll take the results, so far. I'm also confident we'll open up the playbook more, when we have a QB who's in more command of the offense, as I'm sure Kill doesn't love being this conservative either.
You sure? What's' the average? Got a link? I don't know if it's as premium as it used to be but I think it's about normal. Might have guys like Aranda (1.9M) or Canada (1.3M) and some of these other million plus guys skewing coordinator average, don't know.
Jerry 'Thrill' Kill. ! The dude has street cred out the yang yang.
Found a link of assistant salaries from last year. He'd be ranked about 40 and I'm not sure all those positions are even coordinators considering some SEC schools play wild salaries to even assistants below that level. But you'll see names at schools with more resources than us pay some of their coordinators less. Just like I say with HCs, I wouldn't pay it just because if a person deserves it that's fine but just because you're a name program with money isn't a reason in my book.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant
Dude your all over the place 1st you say we have more talent this year then go on to state we had 2 WR on NFL rosters last year. Our 4 star WR is a non event? He's a true freshman, Carroo was a 4 star and only played special teams his true freshman year. You're really trying to stretch here to prove your point. Plus paying $650,000 for a coordinator is not a lot of money in this day and age. So yea money is still and always will be a problem here. You really need to do a little research before posting a thread.
wow....that was impressive....but, the razzle dazzle,air coryell, run.and shoot
chuckle heads just dont get it,and it seems never will.
So maybe he's average, either way for 650K you get a competent OC and not a top tier one which is what Kill pretty much is.
we weren't suppose to win another game according to the board experts on here....dont worry, they all know how to build a football program.
Our oline improved tremendously in the run blocking and i give major kudos to the coaching staff and the S&C kudos for that
The reality is our oline run blocking is average and that average is knocked down in effectivity because the opposing staff know we are running 70% of the time ...
And why are we running 70% of the time...?
Part of that is the oline pass blocking skills remains really way below average
Now, that's not the only reason why the passing game isn't gojng (Qb play and wide receiver play, specifically seperation issues) but it's not like our oline is making the passing game function
And I just don't see too many players on the field that can be oline playing elsewhere
It's going to take growing up the class of 2017 kids and adding pieces in ensuing classes along the way to building a line to a quality level ....sort of like the oline went from 2002 to 2006/2007
Improvement for 2018 is possible, but I certainly don't see any quantum leaps here until the clarks, vretmans and more are ready to make an impact ...and that might not be until 2019...and they need more pieces along side of them
I thought the repeated runs into an eight man front was not needed in the second half. Low risk slants,tight end plays,even the dreaded bubble screen at some point might not have produced six straight three and outs.Kind of disappointed in Kills calls in the second half,what were there two WRs targets the entire last three quarters?
Michigan had allowed only four rushing TDs all season till last night vrs PSU..Cant have a repeat of last years score.
Michigan had allowed only four rushing TDs all season till last night vrs PSU..Cant have a repeat of last years score.
I would love to see us grab a 5th year OL or two who can come in and help out next season.
Ok then let's find an OC who can design plays for our current players, not Alabama.
But this poll isn't about questioning the philosophy, it's about replacement before next year. That's so far off the table, it's hazy on the details of what a table even is.
It was ultra conservative. But did we turn the ball over? Nope. Our offense in the second half was basically used to waste as much time on the clock as possible so our stud punter could hit a bomb to back up Purdue.
This is exactly the point. Most of the posters on here are people who drive a car knowing they have a flat tire but close the window so they can ignore it
We will lose offensive recruits if we run this kind of offense, we won't be winning Time of Possession when teams stack 8 in the box and we keep repeating the same play, and year from now, the same posters who call anyone a troll for expressing an opinion, will be bitching about not getting top recruits on offense
And for a moronic poll, the results are fairly distributed, and thanks to those who replied with something more than, " he must be a PSU fan"
we had the ball at Purdue 49 yard line with four mins and change left in game and went backwards,minus yardage,,had to punt and almost had it blocked.
If anybody ever asks an honest question. Our offense isn’t good and nobody can honestly say they think the play calling is great. So I think the poll is fair.
Other than the one Gus Edwards run on the second play of the game, our run game struggled the whole day. 74 yards and a TD on one play.... 56 yards on the other 36 plays (1.56 ypc).
Other than the one Blackshear wheel route, our passing game struggled the whole day. 35 yards and a TD on one play.... 8/17 for 52 yards otherwise (3.1 yards/attempt).
Purdue gave up two big plays the whole afternoon, but otherwise their defense shut us down completely. We couldn't move the ball on the ground or through the air, and managed just 8 first downs on 14 drives.
It wasn't just that final drive where our guys couldn't move the ball.... it was the entire game, save for two plays. The defense and punt unit won that game for us, and the defense did it mainly on big plays (2 INTs and 3 4th down stops)... without Austin or Hampton.
For an offense to struggle that mightily the entire game, it's a confluence of a lot of factors.... talent, execution, playcalling, you name it. Fundamentally, though, the OLine struggled do do what they did against Illinois in the run game, and continued to struggle in pass protection. WRs continued to struggle to get open. QB continued to struggle to hit them on those occasions when they did get open. Whether the playcalling has been simplified and made uber-conservative because of the above, or whether the above is due to the playcalling, is something of a chicken/egg scenario.
Missed your point are you saying he's competent? or top tier? I agree with the competent part, the top tier part is questionable IMO. He's called plays up until his Minnesota days and did have a strong year at NIU with his offense. Beyond that I don't know. Minnesota certainly wasn't known for offense even though he gave up his playcalling duties at that time.
He makes a normal salary but salaries these days are out of whack any how be it HC or coordinators or whatever. Some of these guys get paid money just because the school can not because they deserve it. All these ADs, especially at the wealthier schools, dole out money like candy IMO. We'd likely be the same if we had it too.
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@sanu seriously needs mental help. Putting him on ignore won't matter, he will still troll you
You hit the nail on the head. We all knew he was a big name hire but no one knew his offensive competence, and we assumed he would be the second coming of Ralph Fridgen. If he was hired to keep us from getting blown out, that ship has sailed, now that defenses know we will never pass til 3rd and long
I do have a lot of respect for him as a man, and how he has overcome his affliction, and HOPING that after 30 years of football experience, he can put us in a position to WIN as opposed to not losing
When he got hired most here didn't even realize he had been calling plays all throughout his career up through NIU and thought he hadn't called plays for 20 some odd years. I thought the same at that time but I do like to read up on coaches when I get the chance so I found out. That wrong notion lasted through our losing streak when Kill was being blasted even though I pointed it out multiple times. That's just the nature of trying to get stuff through to the greater conscious of the board.
9.2% seems about right as it represents the members of this board who will hate Ash when he goes 8-4.
What 2 CURRENT RU WR's are also on NFL rosters? Otherwise I have no idea what that has to do with Kill.
Jeeze, just when you think it can't get stranger you posted that.