Jobs explode in Trump's First Month - Lib economist claims its due to increased business confidence

[WVPATX]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/08/private-sector-jobs-february-2017-adp.html

Nearly 300,000. "Confidence is playing a large role," Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics, told CNBC. "Businesses are anticipating a lot of good stuff — tax cuts, less regulation. They are hiring more aggressively."

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/08/private-sector-jobs-february-2017-adp.html

Nearly 300,000. "Confidence is playing a large role," Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics, told CNBC. "Businesses are anticipating a lot of good stuff — tax cuts, less regulation. They are hiring more aggressively."

@WVex-pat in GA

I'm seeing it in my company for sure.

 

[WVPATX]

@WVex-pat in GA

I'm seeing it in my company for sure.

And Zandi is an extremely liberal economist.

 

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And Zandi is an extremely liberal economist.

So if he's a liberal economist and we should believe him then I guess that means we should believe liberal economists. Right? Shall we check and see what liberal and conservative and in between economists think about a carbon tax?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

So if he's a liberal economist and we should believe him then I guess that means we should believe liberal economists. Right? Shall we check and see what liberal and conservative and in between economists think about a carbon tax?

Good lord. You are a friggin robot with the environment stuff.

 

[WVPATX]

So if he's a liberal economist and we should believe him then I guess that means we should believe liberal economists. Right? Shall we check and see what liberal and conservative and in between economists think about a carbon tax?

No Op. He is a partisan economist. Has been for a long time. He was a chief apologist for Obama's failed economy. If a partisan (re: anti GOP) says the economy created so many jobs because of optimism, it is like Harry Reid praising Ronald Reagan for a great economy. If a conservative economist made that observation, he or she could be ruled out as a partisan and not to be believed.

 

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Good lord. You are a friggin robot with the environment stuff.

It's not "the environment stuff" per se, rather it's a common sense thing that will help both the environment and the economy and that many economists and at this point even many GOP politicians (like James Baker) agree with. You think I'm some kind of fringe person on this but you are the fringe person and the only reason you think you're not is because you only listen to other people on your fringe. Amongst economists a carbon tax is mainstream.

That's not really the point though. The point was that WVPATX was using certain economists he agrees with as an authority when he'll throw them under the bus if those same people say things he doesn't like. This is the exact same thing he does with scientists and the environment. I was just pointing that out.

 

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No Op. He is a partisan economist. Has been for a long time. He was a chief apologist for Obama's failed economy. If a partisan (re: anti GOP) says the economy created so many jobs because of optimism, it is like Harry Reid praising Ronald Reagan for a great economy. If a conservative economist made that observation, he or she could be ruled out as a partisan and not to be believed.

So agreeing with a particular politician on something automatically makes you a partisan economist? Oh, okay.

 

[WVPATX]

It's not "the environment stuff" per se, rather it's a common sense thing that will help both the environment and the economy and that many economists and at this point even many GOP politicians (like James Baker) agree with. You think I'm some kind of fringe person on this but you are the fringe person and the only reason you think you're not is because you only listen to other people on your fringe. Amongst economists a carbon tax is mainstream.

That's not really the point though. The point was that WVPATX was using certain economists he agrees with as an authority when he'll throw them under the bus if those same people say things he doesn't like. This is the exact same thing he does with scientists and the environment. I was just pointing that out.

I don't care who agrees with a carbon tax. Why raise taxes which hurt the poor the most? Hurts rural America the most? Why raise taxes on businesses just as we are trying to get them to be more competitive and keep jobs in America? Why hurt our economy by raising prices on goods and services for everyone?

You are a true believer in global warming. When the science is proven (it is not now for certain), I may begin to listen. But until then, no carbon tax and certainly none under the GOP or while the GOP has as least 40 votes in the Senate.

I don't agree with Zandi. He is a Keynesian. I am not. I cited him because he is a Dem and rapid supporter of Obama's economic policies. Now, he is providing some praise for the latest jobs report and Trump is going in the opposite direction as Obama.

 

[WVPATX]

So agreeing with a particular politician on something automatically makes you a partisan economist? Oh, okay.

No, Zandi is a Democrat, an avid Obama supporter and he made no bones about it. That makes you a partisan economist. Is Paul Krugman a partisan economist?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

It's not "the environment stuff" per se, rather it's a common sense thing that will help both the environment and the economy and that many economists and at this point even many GOP politicians (like James Baker) agree with. You think I'm some kind of fringe person on this but you are the fringe person and the only reason you think you're not is because you only listen to other people on your fringe. Amongst economists a carbon tax is mainstream.

That's not really the point though. The point was that WVPATX was using certain economists he agrees with as an authority when he'll throw them under the bus if those same people say things he doesn't like. This is the exact same thing he does with scientists and the environment. I was just pointing that out.

What fringe am I on?

Shockingly, a politician agrees with creating a tax.

 

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I don't care who agrees with a carbon tax. Why raise taxes which hurt the poor the most? Hurts rural America the most? Why raise taxes on businesses just as we are trying to get them to be more competitive and keep jobs in America? Why hurt our economy by raising prices on goods and services for everyone?

You are a true believer in global warming. When the science is proven (it is not now for certain), I may begin to listen. But until then, no carbon tax and certainly none under the GOP or while the GOP has as least 40 votes in the Senate.

I don't agree with Zandi. He is a Keynesian. I am not. I cited him because he is a Dem and rapid supporter of Obama's economic policies. Now, he is providing some praise for the latest jobs report and Trump is going in the opposite direction as Obama.

As I've said on here many times before, the carbon tax I and most economists are in favor of is revenue neutral. Whatever taxes would be increased on carbon would be decreased elsewhere to counteract the increase. Thus calling it a "tax increase" is a red herring.

 

[WVPATX]

As I've said on here many times before, the carbon tax I and most economists are in favor of is revenue neutral. Whatever taxes would be increased on carbon would be decreased elsewhere to counteract the increase. Thus calling it a "tax increase" is a red herring.

Right. I believe all politicians. It's a tax but don't worry, it is neutral. LMAO. Never happens.

BTW, did all these economists predict the 2008 crisis? Did they predict the collapse of Lehman Brothers? How about the problems at Freddie and Fannie? And the Obama economists were certainly wrong when promising unemployment no higher than 8% if we passed the stimulus? Did economists promise we would save $2,500 per family under Obamacare?

You act as if economists are the end all be all. They aren't. Taxes have a dilatory effect on the economy. Trump will never agree. He wants more corporate competitiveness, not less. He wants more money in people's pockets (particularly the middle class), not less. He wants cheap energy to drive corporate competitiveness and create hundreds of thousands if not millions of energy jobs that are high paying.

Give it up until you get another lib as President and even then, very, very tough to pass.

 

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Right. I believe all politicians. It's a tax but don't worry, it is neutral. LMAO. Never happens.

BTW, did all these economists predict the 2008 crisis? Did they predict the collapse of Lehman Brothers? How about the problems at Freddie and Fannie? And the Obama economists were certainly wrong when promising unemployment no higher than 8% if we passed the stimulus? Did economists promise we would save $2,500 per family under Obamacare?

You act as if economists are the end all be all. They aren't. Taxes have a dilatory effect on the economy. Trump will never agree. He wants more corporate competitiveness, not less. He wants more money in people's pockets (particularly the middle class), not less. He wants cheap energy to drive corporate competitiveness and create hundreds of thousands if not millions of energy jobs that are high paying.

Give it up until you get another lib as President and even then, very, very tough to pass.

"You act as if economists are the end all be all."

Wait a second, isn't the way I got into this conversation by noting how you were agreeing with what a "liberal" economist said? Maybe I should have just responded to that with "You act as if economists are the end all and be all."

 

[WVPATX]

"You act as if economists are the end all be all."

Wait a second, isn't the way I got into this conversation by noting how you were agreeing with what a "liberal" economist said? Maybe I should have just responded to that with "You act as if economists are the end all and be all."

Your reading comprehension is extremely poor. I quoted Zandi specifically because he is a liberal economist which makes it very difficult for libs like you to question the numbers or the accuracy.

 

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Your reading comprehension is extremely poor. I quoted Zandi specifically because he is a liberal economist which makes it very difficult for libs like you to question the numbers or the accuracy.

You act like Zandi is the be all and end all.

 

[WVPATX]

You act like Zandi is the be all and end all.

Like I said, very, very poor reading comprehension.

 

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Like I said, very, very poor reading comprehension.

You act like good reading comprehension is the be all and end all.

 

[WVPATX]

You act like good reading comprehension is the be all and end all.

LOL. And the carbon tax is your end all be all, lmao. You include it in so many of your posts. Do you dream about it? Does it get you off?

The thread is about the creation of 300,000 jobs and you post this:

"Shall we check and see what liberal and conservative and in between economists think about a carbon tax?"

I would say your obsessed.