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Gary4UK

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Don't you know that Joe Lunardi is sponsored by ESPN? He's a talking
piece for ESPN and does exactly what they tell him to do, and that's the
reason that the NCAA committee places so much clout in him....

The NCAA
committee coddles to ESPN and thus, they take Joe's advice... How can a guy
that's not in on the selection committee get almost to the team the
pecking order in which they will play in the tourney...? Why have a NCAA committee, when Joe has already chosen the teams, rounds, etc...?

He's also an ACC man, because
ESPN is a backer of the ACC conference... Plus, now the SEC is an ESPN conference, with the new SEC channel, and
that's why Joe has placed a lot of SEC teams in his field this year....

Follow the money and power and you see the movement.....
 
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Anyone with an hour to sit down and study the various rankings and conference standings could probably get 66 of the 68 correct. Lunardi usually gets the teams invited correct, but has been off on several of the seeds of the individual teams the last couple of years. Actually Lunardi's seeding has made more sense than what the committee came up with, so maybe they should just let him do it.
 
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Originally posted by Gary4UK:
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We should see how Joey does in the bracket challenge instead of just who gets in.......Lots of that works itself out.

Hey, maybe Joey Brackets tells us who beats Duke this year before the bracket gets announced? Something a bit more psychic?
 
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Big_Blue79

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Joe Lunardi was Joey Brackets before he came to ESPN. He's been doing this for about 20 years. Your "follow the money" conspiracy assumes a lot. Your assumptions:

ESPN tells Joe Lunardi what to do. Sure, I guess, but then why pay a writer/analyst if you're just going to tell him what to do? ESPN linked to Lunardi's work before his hire because he was god, and then hired him, presumably for his expertise and name recognition (although his name recognition was a smidge of what he has now).ESPN has a vested interest in getting ACC and SEC teams in the tournament. This one at least makes a little superficial sense. Of course, all else being equal ESPN probably prefers that its media partners do well. In a multi-billion dollar enterprise, I'm not sure how much of an effect bumping up a team by a seed line here and there will do for ratings. If UNC is a 5 instead of a 6, that's worth . . . ? Of course, this assumes there is no downside risk from being found out, which there is.The NCAA committee places "clout" in Joey Brackets. Why would they? The NCAA helping ESPN does what for the NCAA? CBS, not ESPN, pays billions for the TV rights, and those rights are something like 90% of the NCAA's budget. Seems to me you're mis-aiming this conspiracy theory. Regardless, the selection process has been open for years (this year, Matt Jones documented the experience, but it has been going on for years). The process the committee uses has been known for a while; the variance comes into play when dealing with specific situations. So Joe Lunardi has been using the NCAA committee's own known process in predicting teams. If there is SEC and ACC bias there, wouldn't it be documented by the reporters who gather every February and go through a mock seeding exercise? Unless another layer of this is that the committee uses a different process. So add in fooling the media to the above, I guess.Joe Lunardi is the most correct prognosticator. If your conspiracy is correct, shouldn't Joe have the best bracket year after year? Or if he does not (and he does not), shouldn't the difference be that Joe incorrectly overvalues ACC/SEC teams and that the NCAA committee was only willing to meet him halfway, so to speak? I mean, he got all but 1 team last year, incorrectly believing that SMU (you know, big time media partner SMU) would make the tournament. And in 2010 he picked Illinois to make it; the committee instead chose Florida.
 
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Gary4UK

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Originally posted by Big_Blue79:
Joe Lunardi was Joey Brackets before he came to ESPN. He's been doing this for about 20 years. Your "follow the money" conspiracy assumes a lot. Your assumptions:

ESPN tells Joe Lunardi what to do. Sure, I guess, but then why pay a writer/analyst if you're just going to tell him what to do? ESPN linked to Lunardi's work before his hire because he was god, and then hired him, presumably for his expertise and name recognition (although his name recognition was a smidge of what he has now).ESPN has a vested interest in getting ACC and SEC teams in the tournament. This one at least makes a little superficial sense. Of course, all else being equal ESPN probably prefers that its media partners do well. In a multi-billion dollar enterprise, I'm not sure how much of an effect bumping up a team by a seed line here and there will do for ratings. If UNC is a 5 instead of a 6, that's worth . . . ? Of course, this assumes there is no downside risk from being found out, which there is.The NCAA committee places "clout" in Joey Brackets. Why would they? The NCAA helping ESPN does what for the NCAA? CBS, not ESPN, pays billions for the TV rights, and those rights are something like 90% of the NCAA's budget. Seems to me you're mis-aiming this conspiracy theory. Regardless, the selection process has been open for years (this year, Matt Jones documented the experience, but it has been going on for years). The process the committee uses has been known for a while; the variance comes into play when dealing with specific situations. So Joe Lunardi has been using the NCAA committee's own known process in predicting teams. If there is SEC and ACC bias there, wouldn't it be documented by the reporters who gather every February and go through a mock seeding exercise? Unless another layer of this is that the committee uses a different process. So add in fooling the media to the above, I guess.Joe Lunardi is the most correct prognosticator. If your conspiracy is correct, shouldn't Joe have the best bracket year after year? Or if he does not (and he does not), shouldn't the difference be that Joe incorrectly overvalues ACC/SEC teams and that the NCAA committee was only willing to meet him halfway, so to speak? I mean, he got all but 1 team last year, incorrectly believing that SMU (you know, big time media partner SMU) would make the tournament. And in 2010 he picked Illinois to make it; the committee instead chose Florida.
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fuzz77

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Originally posted by Gary4UK:
Don't you know that Joe Lunardi is sponsored by ESPN? He's a talking
piece for ESPN and does exactly what they tell him to do, and that's the
reason that the NCAA committee places so much clout in him....

The NCAA
committee coddles to ESPN and thus, they take Joe's advice... How can a guy
that's not in on the selection committee get almost to the team the
pecking order in which they will play in the tourney...? Why have a NCAA committee, when Joe has already chosen the teams, rounds, etc...?

He's also an ACC man, because
ESPN is a backer of the ACC conference... Plus, now the SEC is an ESPN conference, with the new SEC channel, and
that's why Joe has placed a lot of SEC teams in his field this year....

Follow the money and power and you see the movement.....
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Gary, your OP makes zero sense.
How many NCAA tourney games are on ESPN or any of ESPN's parent network affiliates?

Z-E-R-O.

ESPN is owned by Disney which owns ABC.

The NCAA receives 91% of their total revenues from the NCAA tourney which is televised exclusively on CBS and other networks owned by CBS. You are implying that the NCAA is going to coddle the competitor of their golden goose...for what reason? ESPN has relationships with conferences, not the NCAA.

The tournament selection is done by a committee that has representatives from every conference. You have obviously never served on a committee if you believe that a conspiracy exists that would allow the committee to be railroaded and that it never was to become public.

Joe Lunardi doesn't place teams in the NCAA tournament. Throughout the year he predicts who will be in the tourney if it were selected on that day. It changes every day. Lunardi is far from the only one who does this. In fact CBS has their own guy who does "bracketology", Jerry Palm. Wouldn't it make more sense for the committee to make Jerry Palm "look good"?
 
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caneintally

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Originally posted by bthaunert:
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in a nut shell. Joe Lunardi has zero to do with the committee IMO. He is wrong about alot alot of the time. And if you pay attention you notice this . He gets the where the teams are going and who they are playing almost entirely wrong and the only thing he gets pretty much right is who is in the dance as he misses 1-4 teams a year , i believe last year he missed 2 for example.
 
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