Jon Rothstein is definitely low on Kentucky
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Why do you many of you feel everyone else has to agree with your thoughts?
If you think UK should be ranked higher and Rothstein doesn't, is it really that big a deal?
If you think UK should be ranked higher and Rothstein doesn't, is it really that big a deal?
I do not agree with Jon, so it is reasonable to make some doubts in Kentucky forum, is this problem?
Lulz. Where did I hack on UK?
If you disagree with him or he disagrees with you, why does it matter? Why does it bother you to the point of running to the internet to make a post on about you not agreeing with someone else when you're a fan of the team and their a sports journalist. More likely that not, you're going to disagree.
Sorry, your opinion is not even worth debating. I will ignore you
"Does Kentucky Have Too Many Players".
This is an absurd take. How often do we hear talking heads rave about bench depth at Puke, KU, UNC, etc in the past, and even Cal's platooning team that beat the **** out of everyone that year? But now having a deep bench of talented players is a negative?
GTFO.
To be fair, there are threads on this site talking about how tough it will be for CMP to divide 200 minutes between 12 deserving players.
Also, if his list came out this morning, it was likely finished last night before our exhibition with Purdue
Also, if his list came out this morning, it was likely finished last night before our exhibition with Purdue
Kentucky has too many players ...
hahahaha
that's a good take. brilliant observation.
hahahaha
that's a good take. brilliant observation.
I think it’s the casual use of the word hater in the thread that draws attention. The fact that some random silly pollster has left KY out of their top 10 is rather irrelevant and doesn’t merit the word hate unless you are a preteen female or otherwise emotionally tender.
His opinion means no more than mine. It all works itself out in the tournament unless you get reffed like Monk, Bam, and Fox did
How many players are on NBA rosters?
These guys are all pros now. Play when your number is called. Take your DNPs like a man.
And they only have to focus for about 5 more months.
These guys are all pros now. Play when your number is called. Take your DNPs like a man.
And they only have to focus for about 5 more months.
Fair enough.
Let’s just keep things in perspective and also remember something bothered you to the point of running to the internet to make a post about you not agreeing with chasingwildcat.
Eh I mean even in the poll we are 9th.
I can only see his top 10 above but what if he had us I dunno 13th/14th? Would that be much of a difference between the consensus in the poll of 9?
Flipside Kenpom rankings has us 4th. He has Purdue 3rd. Had that game been a regular season game, we'd have been favorited.
None of this really matters right now.
I can only see his top 10 above but what if he had us I dunno 13th/14th? Would that be much of a difference between the consensus in the poll of 9?
Flipside Kenpom rankings has us 4th. He has Purdue 3rd. Had that game been a regular season game, we'd have been favorited.
None of this really matters right now.
Dude doesn't know ball. It's been obvious for a bit. Either that or he DOES know ball and is just being a twit for clicks. Which is even WORSE imo.
This is true, but it's just more "disrespect". I can't wait to bludgeon some teams this year if this is who we truly are. Pope has a chance to do something pretty damn amazing this season.
He hasn’t paid much attention to UK basketball. The guy is a hack making things up.
First- a deep roster means you can play guys without killing them with 35 min pg. when cal ran with those small rosters we had injuries like Grady and many others because they were over played.
second- if rothsteirn knew UK bb he would know we have 1-2 significant injuries every year. I mean our starting pg is already injured. Right now we are starting with 2 I juries.
Thursday - too many players is always a good thing/ all coaches will tell you that. In this nil age if a guy is putting low effort well you gotta a guy to take those min.
Kentucky has 3 Kentucky boys. 2 are absolute studs. This is the pillar of the team. If some player or players hates their minutes it’s real simple. Transfer. The transfer rules make it easy for packed teams like Kentucky. You don’t like it and work against making it work. Keep your mouth shut, do what’s asked. Get a nice refeeence to transfer somewhere else. Bu rothstein misses this: all of these players came to UK for more than pt. They knew coming in that there are 2-3 guys who can play their position. If you don’t fit you’re gonna sit and perhaps by the final four pope will have his top 7 guys. This is after injuries, guys who can’t hack it, guys who quit, any scenario by the second weekend you will have a stud 7 players who have been through fire to get there.
First- a deep roster means you can play guys without killing them with 35 min pg. when cal ran with those small rosters we had injuries like Grady and many others because they were over played.
second- if rothsteirn knew UK bb he would know we have 1-2 significant injuries every year. I mean our starting pg is already injured. Right now we are starting with 2 I juries.
Thursday - too many players is always a good thing/ all coaches will tell you that. In this nil age if a guy is putting low effort well you gotta a guy to take those min.
Kentucky has 3 Kentucky boys. 2 are absolute studs. This is the pillar of the team. If some player or players hates their minutes it’s real simple. Transfer. The transfer rules make it easy for packed teams like Kentucky. You don’t like it and work against making it work. Keep your mouth shut, do what’s asked. Get a nice refeeence to transfer somewhere else. Bu rothstein misses this: all of these players came to UK for more than pt. They knew coming in that there are 2-3 guys who can play their position. If you don’t fit you’re gonna sit and perhaps by the final four pope will have his top 7 guys. This is after injuries, guys who can’t hack it, guys who quit, any scenario by the second weekend you will have a stud 7 players who have been through fire to get there.
Ky beat the No 1 team without their best PG and probably there best big man and beat them bad don't matter what anyone thanks, even Dicky V is bragging on Ky.
You know the other thing about the national people and their rankings is these guys are ranking a ton of teams whereas we are obviously more focused on UK.
As such, I feel like we have a better grasp on what this team is and it takes the naitonal guys a while to catch up in either direction.
I think the initial jump is oh this guy is disrespecting us but I think it's more oh this guy just doesn't really know yet. If we come out and play well vs UL amd Michigan St. things will flip around with most these guys.
It's a dead period and Mr.Rothstein needs clicks who better to get clicks from by pissing off BBN.
Sometimes it's as simple as that IMO not every journalist will blow smoke up our a** as it doesn't make them money.
The average fan now days are just as as smart as these experts. Just be mindful of the content and why it's coming a certain way.
Sometimes it's as simple as that IMO not every journalist will blow smoke up our a** as it doesn't make them money.
The average fan now days are just as as smart as these experts. Just be mindful of the content and why it's coming a certain way.
This. But it's extremely annoying. They shouldn't be commenting then. The problem with social media these days is it makes everyone an "Expert" when they are obviously not.
Granted, I don't expect sports commentators/journalists to have the same amount of integrity as other journalists, but at least try to be in a realm of reality.
The field has been dead for integrity for a hot minute. I don't ever see it coming back. It's sensational headlines and clicks that's the new KPI
There’s a lot of basketball people who seem to be stuck in the traditional way of thinking that the roster must be reduced down to a 7 or 8 man rotation by the end of the year to be successful.
I have never agreed with that. There’s no magic formula that must be followed to be successful.. To me teams that play a 7 to 8 man rotation do so mainly because that’s the extent of their quality depth. (Not because that’s the most efficient.) A school like Kentucky typically has an advantage in that they can recruit quality depth well beyond that.
Whether they use that depth is a different question. John Calipari for example I never thought really worked to utilize the bench to its full extent, and that often came to bite him in the end when starters got injured or in foul trouble etc. late in the season and their loss couldn’t be overcome.
Mark Pope I think is much more willing to develop his entire bench and to play a more balanced and deeper rotation. That will pay dividends in the long run as it makes for a more durable team with a much higher ceiling.
I have never agreed with that. There’s no magic formula that must be followed to be successful.. To me teams that play a 7 to 8 man rotation do so mainly because that’s the extent of their quality depth. (Not because that’s the most efficient.) A school like Kentucky typically has an advantage in that they can recruit quality depth well beyond that.
Whether they use that depth is a different question. John Calipari for example I never thought really worked to utilize the bench to its full extent, and that often came to bite him in the end when starters got injured or in foul trouble etc. late in the season and their loss couldn’t be overcome.
Mark Pope I think is much more willing to develop his entire bench and to play a more balanced and deeper rotation. That will pay dividends in the long run as it makes for a more durable team with a much higher ceiling.
I mean okay I guess I see the point but to say this Kentucky team is not top 10 is absolutely ridiculous. It’s a top 5 team, maybe the best or top 3. Easily one of the early favorites for a final four 100%. To say it’s not top 10 makes absolutely no sense. It’s click bait.
I don't disagree that we are those things this year, but we don't have to expect or whine anytime someone doesn't agree with that. Obviously, as fans, we are going to be a little more biased to our team. Doesn't mean we are right or wrong, but we still have to prove it. Many will be bullish until we do. I don't see an issue with that.
Depth is always a positive. But as I always say like with the 2015 team, what matters for that title shot is your starting 5 and top 6/7. I was never enamored with 15’s starting 5, especially the 3 spot. Just wasn’t near the best starting 5 that year. I cringe when someone says 2015 over 1996. I don’t think they’d keep it within 10. All this to say I want the depth however what’s more important is the 5 on the floor. And this teams top 7 is easily top 3 in the nation to me. No worse than 5. When healthy of course.
1996 clears 2015, but we also lost Poythress in 2015. Plus Cal puckered up.
Healthy roster with Pitino coaching and 2015 wins the championship pretty easily. Maybe let’s them lose a game during conference so he can peel the paint off the walls.
This is exactly the issue with the 2015 team. 1-5 that team was very good but not dominant. 1-10 however that team was one of the most dominating teams in the history of college basketball.
So what do you do? To me you find a way to utilize your depth to its fullest extent possible. For others they insisted on shortening the rotation, which only made UK play down to their competition.
1-5 Wisconsin was just as good if not better than Kentucky’s starting lineup.
Welp, he went online, was searching for polls from sports writers or reading Twitter, saw his poll and ran to this site to post it.
I feel odd having to explain something so simple to what I imagine is another adult.
Maybe two clicks in the extreme case to open this site and you’re dramatizing that as running and painting it as negative. But you feel you should be entitled to dramatize his actions and condescend to him so you condescend to me because I don’t see that. If you can handle it in adult terms your problem is fundamental attribution error.
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If you feel condescended, that's on you for feeling that way. I just pointed out the obvious, which you literally asked for. So I would take all that up with yourself, big guy.