Jonathan Turley: Comey likely committed a crime. Great read.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...opinion-the-damaging-case-against-james-comey

OPINION: The damaging case against James Comey
BY JONATHAN TURLEY, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR - 06/09/17 03:00 PM EDT 3,064
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The testimony of James Comey proved long on atmospherics and short on ethics. While many were riveted by Comey’s discussion of his discomfort in meetings with President Trump, most seemed to miss the fact that Comey was describing his own conduct in strikingly unethical terms. The greatest irony is that Trump succeeded in baiting Comey to a degree that even Trump could not have imagined. After calling Comey a “showboat” and poor director, Comey proceeded to commit an unethical and unprofessional act in leaking damaging memos against Trump.

Comey described a series of ethical challenges during his term as FBI director. Yet, he almost uniformly avoided taking a firm stand in support of the professional standards of the FBI. During the Obama administration, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch gave Comey a direct order to mislead the public by calling the ongoing investigation a mere “matter.” Rather than standing firm on the integrity of his department and refusing to adopt such a meaningless and misleading term, Comey yielded to Lynch while now claiming discomfort over carrying out the order.



When Trump allegedly asked for Comey to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn or pledge loyalty, Comey did not tell the president that he was engaging in wildly inappropriate conduct. He instead wrote a memo to file and told close aides. He now says that he wishes he had the courage or foresight to have taken a stand with the president.


However, the clearest violation came in the days following his termination. Comey admits that he gave the damaging memos to a friend at Columbia Law School with the full knowledge that the information would be given to the media. It was a particularly curious moment for a former director who was asked by the president to fight the leakers in the government. He proceeded in becoming one of the most consequential leakers against Trump.

Comey said that he took these actions days after his termination, when he said that he woke up in the middle of the night and realized suddenly that the memos could be used to contradict Trump. It was a bizarrely casual treatment of material that would be viewed by many as clearly FBI information. He did not confer with the FBI or the Justice Department. He did not ask for any classification review despite one of the parties described being the president of the United States. He simply sent the memos to a law professor to serve as a conduit to the media.

As a threshold matter, Comey asked a question with regard to Trump that he should now answer with regard to his own conduct. Comey asked why Trump would ask everyone to leave the Oval Office to speak with Comey unless he was doing something improper. Yet, Trump could ask why Comey would use a third party to leak these memos if they were his property and there was nothing improper in their public release.

In fact, there was a great deal wrong with their release, and Comey likely knew it. These were documents prepared on an FBI computer addressing a highly sensitive investigation on facts that he considered material to that investigation. Indeed, he conveyed that information confidentially to his top aides and later said that he wanted the information to be given to the special counsel because it was important to the investigation.

Many in the media have tried to spin this as not a “leak” because leaks by definition only involve classified information. That is entirely untrue as shown by history. Leaks involve the release of unauthorized information — not only classified information. Many of the most important leaks historically have involved pictures and facts not classified but embarrassing to a government. More importantly, federal regulations refer to unauthorized disclosures not just classified information.

Comey’s position would effectively gut a host of federal rules and regulations. He is suggesting that any federal employee effectively owns documents created during federal employment in relation to an ongoing investigation so long as they address the information to themselves. FBI agents routinely write such memos in investigations. They are called 302s to memorialize field interviews or fact acquisitions. They are treated as FBI information.

The Justice Department routinely claims such memos as privileged and covered by the deliberative process privilege and other privileges. Indeed, if this information were sought under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) it would likely have been denied. Among other things, the Justice Department and FBI routinely claim privilege “inter-agency or intra-agency memorandums or letters which would not be available by law to a party other than an agency in litigation with the agency.”

Of course, Comey did not know if there was a privilege or classification claim by either the Justice Department or the White House because he never asked for review. He just woke up in the middle of night upset about Trump’s name calling and released the damaging information. In doing so, he used these memos not as a shield but a sword.

Besides being subject to nondisclosure agreements, Comey falls under federal laws governing the disclosure of classified and unclassified information. Assuming that the memos were not classified (though it seems odd that it would not be classified even on the confidential level), there is 18 U.S.C. § 641, which makes it a crime to steal, sell, or convey “any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of the United States or of any department or agency thereof.”

There are also ethical and departmental rules against the use of material to damage a former represented person or individual or firm related to prior representation. The FBI website warns employees that “dissemination of FBI information is made strictly in accordance with provisions of the Privacy Act; Title 5, United States Code, Section 552a; FBI policy and procedures regarding discretionary release of information in accordance with the Privacy Act; and other applicable federal orders and directives.”

One such regulation is § 2635.703, on the use of nonpublic information, which states, “An employee shall not engage in a financial transaction using nonpublic information, nor allow the improper use of nonpublic information to further his own private interest or that of another, whether through advice or recommendation, or by knowing unauthorized disclosure.”

The standard FBI employment agreement bars the unauthorized disclosure of information “contained in the files, electronic or paper, of the FBI” that impact the bureau and specifically pledges that “I will not reveal, by any means, any information or material from or related to FBI files or any other information acquired by virtue of my official employment to any unauthorized recipient without prior official written authorization by the FBI.”

Had Comey taken the minimal step of seeking clearance, the department would likely have said that this was FBI information and not personal information. Comey instead decided to ask forgiveness rather than permission.

Comey is also subject to bar rules on releasing information inimical to the interests of his former employer. For example, under professional rule 1.6, lawyers need to secure authority to release information that “(1) reveal a confidence or secret of the lawyer’s client; (2) use a confidence or secret of the lawyer’s client to the disadvantage of the client; [or] (3) use a confidence or secret of the lawyer’s client for the advantage of the lawyer or of a third person.”

Comey actually showed both how to and how not to disclose such information. When Comey released the information, he knew that he was going to be called to Congress where he could disclose this information properly after giving the White House a chance to claim privilege. Instead, he decided to release the information early. Why?

Comey gave two equally implausible explanations. First, he suggested that he wanted to get the information to investigators. However, he knew not only that he was likely to testify but that these memos would inevitably be demanded by both congressional and federal investigators. Second, he said that he wanted to ensure the appointment of a special counsel. However on that Monday, many of us were saying that such an appointment was virtually inevitable. More importantly, he could have given the memos to investigators and properly laid the foundation for a special counsel.

The fact is that the leaking of the memos worked to the advantage of James Comey, not Robert Mueller. Comey was able to take over the narrative and news cycle after Trump had publicly belittled him and his record. Special counsels do not like leaks of this kind. It would have been far better for the special counsel (or Comey’s own former investigatory team and congressional investigators) to have the memos confidentially.

The greatest value of the memos would be to question Trump and other potential targets without their knowing of their existence. The memos could then have been used to establish false statements and pressure cooperation. Instead, Comey told possible targets, including Trump, about the evidence against them in the memos.

Donald Trump continues to show a remarkable ability to bring out the worst in people — supporters and critics alike. In this case, he was able to bait Comey with his tweets and cause Comey to diminish his own credibility. If the comments of Trump were grossly inappropriate, Comey’s response to those comments were equally inappropriate.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. He has served as defense counsel in national security cases involving classified information and alleged leaks to the media.
 

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I guess those extremely liberal (not sure where Turley fits on your color scale of liberalism) professors are worth a **** when they back up your narrative.
 

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I guess those extremely liberal (not sure where Turley fits on your color scale of liberalism) professors are worth a **** when they back up your narrative.

Actually Turley is a liberal (as he admits) but he has vigorously defended the Constitution numerous times in testimony to Congress. He is a very likable guy and does not choose sides based on ideology. He calls them as he sees them, sometimes supporting the liberal point of view and sometimes the conservative.

I cited him on this occasion since he reinforced the argument that I had previously made based on reading what a conservative legal scholar had to say with respect to Comey's memo.

What is so interesting to me is that libs always post articles or research that backs up their point of view. Yet, when conservatives do it, libs complain. Interesting.
 

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I guess those extremely liberal (not sure where Turley fits on your color scale of liberalism) professors are worth a **** when they back up your narrative.
I would say its a good thing when law talking heads separate law and politics. I have seen Turley and Dershowitz come down on BOTH sides of the political field. On the other hand...we have your extreme Democrat loving loons like Jeffrey Toobin that are off the bias charts.
 

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I would say its a good thing when law talking heads separate law and politics. I have seen Turley and Dershowitz come down on BOTH sides of the political field. On the other hand...we have your extreme Democrat loving loons like Jeffrey Toobin that are off the bias charts.


I completely agree, Toobin is so biased as to be on trustworthy in these matters
 

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Actually Turley is a liberal (as he admits) but he has vigorously defended the Constitution numerous times in testimony to Congress. He is a very likable guy and does not choose sides based on ideology. He calls them as he sees them, sometimes supporting the liberal point of view and sometimes the conservative.

I cited him on this occasion since he reinforced the argument that I had previously made based on reading what a conservative legal scholar had to say with respect to Comey's memo.

What is so interesting to me is that libs always post articles or research that backs up their point of view. Yet, when conservatives do it, libs complain. Interesting.
My point is that not all liberals are extreme in their evaluation of events and issues. This is the divisive rhetoric that has always helped win elections. You guys are getting out of control in here with that bs.
 
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I guess those extremely liberal (not sure where Turley fits on your color scale of liberalism) professors are worth a **** when they back up your narrative.

Hahahahaha. Turley isn't liberal, neither is Dershowitz as this clown PATX tries to tell you. PATX would have his mom turn tricks to try to convince someone to believe like him. Next thing you know he'll be saying that RichRod was a good guy and completely trustworthy. Anyone with an R behind their name is worth dying for to PATX.
He hasn't figured out a lot of people will say just about anything out there on the interwebs or cable news if they are paid or like someone or try to sell their narrative.
 

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My point is that not all liberals are extreme in their evaluation of events and issues. This is the divisive rhetoric that has always helped win elections. You guys are getting out of control in here with that bs.

Please post where I said all libs are alike? There are moderate liberals that are either socially conservative or fiscally conservative. On the whole however the Democratic Party has moved far to the left because that's where their base is. This is beyond dispute.

I met Senator Manchin at a bowl game. He made this very same statement to me.
 
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I guess those extremely liberal (not sure where Turley fits on your color scale of liberalism) professors are worth a **** when they back up your narrative.

Nice deconstruction of the facts presented here you and @countryroads89 are still arguing against boomer.

I think this guy nails it (and Comey) so rather than just admit he's correct, now he's a "Liberal" Professor...the type we on the Right routinely like to denigrate but who's now suddenly cool to us only because he agrees that Comey's a Weasel?

What about if he's just simply correct?
 

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Nice deconstruction of the facts presented here you and @countryroads89 are still arguing against boomer.

I think this guy nails it (and Comey) so rather than just admit he's correct, now he's a "Liberal" Professor...the type we on the Right routinely like to denigrate but who's now suddenly cool to us only because he agrees that Comey's a Weasel?

What about if he's just simply correct?

Turley, Dershowitz and McCarthy are superstars. They are all in agreement, two libs and one right winger.

Maybe they know more than we on the board know. It will be interesting to see if an investigation is opened into Comey's leak. Don't count on it since Meuller is great friends with Comey.
 

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Hahahahaha. Turley isn't liberal, neither is Dershowitz as this clown PATX tries to tell you.
Wrong.....Dershowitz is an avowed supporter of the Democratic Party. Dershowitz is a strong supporter of gun control.During the 2008 Democratic Party primaries, Dershowitz endorsed Hillary Clinton, calling her "a progressive on social issues, a realist on foreign policy, a pragmatist on the economy. In 2012, he strongly supported Barack Obama's re-election.
Turley is widely regarded as a champion of the rule of law and his socially liberal agenda has led liberal and progressive thinkers to consider him a champion for their causes, especially on issues such as separation of church and state, environmental law, civil rights,and the illegality of torture. Turley called for criminal prosecution of Bush administration officials for war crimes, including torture.
 

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Turley, Dershowitz and McCarthy are superstars. They are all in agreement, two libs and one right winger.

Maybe they know more than we on the board know. It will be interesting to see if an investigation is opened into Comey's leak. Don't count on it since Meuller is great friends with Comey.

I also think Pat Cadell correctly called out the Media's corrpuption you've often suggested Pax, in that article you linked us to yesterday. I thought coming from a former Democrat party operative he was brutally honest at how the Media has lost all credibility with their biased reporting overlooking obvious facts in this story that either exhoneratedTrump or exposed the Truth about their charges against him.

That took a lot of guts for him to admit that, unlike many of our fellow Leftist Mountaineers who are apparently more wedded to their ideological beliefs than simple truth.

I think when this episode is over, a complete overhaul of the news reporting business is in store. Either the market will replace them with more credible sources of information, or they will simply be ignored as long as they continue to show themseves as the incompetent attention whores they've been exposed as.
 

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Hahahahaha. Turley isn't liberal, neither is Dershowitz as this clown PATX tries to tell you. PATX would have his mom turn tricks to try to convince someone to believe like him. Next thing you know he'll be saying that RichRod was a good guy and completely trustworthy. Anyone with an R behind their name is worth dying for to PATX.
He hasn't figured out a lot of people will say just about anything out there on the interwebs or cable news if they are paid or like someone or try to sell their narrative.

You are absolutely incorrect. Both Dershowitz and Turley are liberals, self admitted liberals. You don't like stuff you read so you make things up.
 

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Hahahahaha. Turley isn't liberal, neither is Dershowitz as this clown PATX tries to tell you. PATX would have his mom turn tricks to try to convince someone to believe like him. Next thing you know he'll be saying that RichRod was a good guy and completely trustworthy. Anyone with an R behind their name is worth dying for to PATX.
He hasn't figured out a lot of people will say just about anything out there on the interwebs or cable news if they are paid or like someone or try to sell their narrative.

It might be more worth your time countryroads89 to point out where Turley or Dershowitz are wrong rather than what their political ideology is. If they are Liberal (they are) I think their analysis of this "Trump colluded or obstructed" meme has been mostly spot on.

I'll give a Lefty credit if they can successfully argue the merits of their case, accuracy is what matters to me not what they call themselves.

Unfortunately many people on the Left are like you, where facts aren't as important as ideology.

That's why people who you can't refute often just get called names, or worse aren't even allowed to speak or express their views if they run counter to your pre-set beliefs or Leftist ideology.


Why is the Left so afraid of the Truth?

Why are you?
 

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Hahahahaha. Turley isn't liberal, neither is Dershowitz as this clown PATX tries to tell you. PATX would have his mom turn tricks to try to convince someone to believe like him. Next thing you know he'll be saying that RichRod was a good guy and completely trustworthy. Anyone with an R behind their name is worth dying for to PATX.
He hasn't figured out a lot of people will say just about anything out there on the interwebs or cable news if they are paid or like someone or try to sell their narrative.
I can see why a loon supporter of Bernie Saunders might not consider them liberal but that is really more of a mark against you. Cuntrywrong again.
 

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Hahahahaha. Turley isn't liberal, neither is Dershowitz as this clown PATX tries to tell you. PATX would have his mom turn tricks to try to convince someone to believe like him. Next thing you know he'll be saying that RichRod was a good guy and completely trustworthy. Anyone with an R behind their name is worth dying for to PATX.
He hasn't figured out a lot of people will say just about anything out there on the interwebs or cable news if they are paid or like someone or try to sell their narrative.
Turley and Dershowitz are liberal, but they don't pass the Bernie Test.
 

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I guess those extremely liberal (not sure where Turley fits on your color scale of liberalism) professors are worth a **** when they back up your narrative.
Turley appears to be one of the truly honest people in this World. He may vote as a Democrat, but his support of the constitution is not negotiable. I think many conservatives wouldd support him as a candidate for the Supreme Court. He might have a ;D' associated with his name , but he would be a staunch supporter of the constitution and its intended meaning rather than the Liberal slant we have encountered recently.
 

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Turley appears to be one of the truly honest people in this World. He may vote as a Democrat, but his support of the constitution is not negotiable. I think many conservatives wouldd support him as a candidate for the Supreme Court. He might have a ;D' associated with his name , but he would be a staunch supporter of the constitution and its intended meaning rather than the Liberal slant we have encountered recently.
/Turley is one of the straight shooters. I don't think he realizes he s conservative deep down. DDersh is predictably liberal 90% of time. 10% he lets his guard down and makes honest assessment.
 

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My point is that not all liberals are extreme in their evaluation of events and issues. This is the divisive rhetoric that has always helped win elections. You guys are getting out of control in here with that bs.

Boomer do "knuckle dragging, mouth breathing, Nazi, Neanderthal, racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, right wing nut Religious zealots" qualify in your mind as "undivisive"?

Who owns THAT rhetoric?
 
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Boomer do "knuckle dragging, Nazi, Neanderthal, racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, right wing nut Religious zealots" qualify in your mind as "undivisive"?

Who owns THAT rhetoric?
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