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June Jones turned down the head coaching job at Hawaii. He was offered a terrible contract and although he would like to return to Hawaii, he declined

I wonder if he could be a consultant at NU to help jumpstart our offense. His Hawaii and SMU teams were high scoring and fun to watch
 

Gocatsgo2003

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June Jones turned down the head coaching job at Hawaii. He was offered a terrible contract and although he would like to return to Hawaii, he declined

I wonder if he could be a consultant at NU to help jumpstart our offense. His Hawaii and SMU teams were high scoring and fun to watch

Seems like the UH administration wanted to mandate Timmy Chang as his replacement at the end of his contract, presumably as OC in the interim, and Jones declined because he wants control of his own staff. As Jones said in his own twitter response, “no coach in their right mind” would accept that kind of offer.

To bring this back around to NU (kind of), that goes to speak to people who want Gragg to mandate staff changes and/or fire coaches out from under Fitz if he won’t make changes himself. Head coaches simply are not going to accept that kind of thing.
 

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Was offered only a 2 year contract as well.As Jones said there is no way you can recruit that way.If they want Chang that bad they might as well hire him right now.As far as an administration dictating conditions to their HC they might as well make themselves the HC.Fitz would be out the door in a New York minute and have a ton of suitors lined up to make him their next man in charge.
 

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I follow the Hawaii program nearly as closely as NU. It's incredible how the UH program is bogged down in red tape. This fiasco is just the latest chapter. Timmy Chang was a great college quarterback but the guy is not head coach material, no matter how many years of he'd be groomed under JJ.
 

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I follow the Hawaii program nearly as closely as NU. It's incredible how the UH program is bogged down in red tape. This fiasco is just the latest chapter. Timmy Chang was a great college quarterback but the guy is not head coach material, no matter how many years of he'd be groomed under JJ.
Well, you got him now.
 

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June Jones turned down the head coaching job at Hawaii. He was offered a terrible contract and although he would like to return to Hawaii, he declined

I wonder if he could be a consultant at NU to help jumpstart our offense. His Hawaii and SMU teams were high scoring and fun to watch

I think he would completely change the offense. Throwing the ball 90 percent of the time and so on. Think Mike Leach and guys like that. I don't have anything against such an offense, just saying we have not recruited for it and if we go that way we have to make a commitment to do it and do it long term. I doubt coach Fitz has such an interest.
 

docrugby1

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3 and out while learning a new offense is not different from 3 and out running your preferred offense
 

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Seems like the UH administration wanted to mandate Timmy Chang as his replacement at the end of his contract, presumably as OC in the interim, and Jones declined because he wants control of his own staff. As Jones said in his own twitter response, “no coach in their right mind” would accept that kind of offer.

To bring this back around to NU (kind of), that goes to speak to people who want Gragg to mandate staff changes and/or fire coaches out from under Fitz if he won’t make changes himself. Head coaches simply are not going to accept that kind of thing.
This would have been akin to Northwestern hiring Jerry Brown or Mike Dunbar or Gary Barnett as head coach in 2006, with a specified timeline to replace him with Fitz. That approach certainly had some supporters, though I think Mark Murphy definitely made the right move at the time.

The deal would have made sense for Jones, who is almost 70 and, presumably, wouldn’t want much more than that contract length anyway.

After leaving SMU, Jones had returned to Hawaii (the state, not the school) for a few years, so it would have made sense in some capacity.
 

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This would have been akin to Northwestern hiring Jerry Brown or Mike Dunbar or Gary Barnett as head coach in 2006, with a specified timeline to replace him with Fitz. That approach certainly had some supporters, though I think Mark Murphy definitely made the right move at the time.

The deal would have made sense for Jones, who is almost 70 and, presumably, wouldn’t want much more than that contract length anyway.

After leaving SMU, Jones had returned to Hawaii (the state, not the school) for a few years, so it would have made sense in some capacity.

I repeat: no coach worth a damn is ever going to let his administration dictate his staff that directly. Ever.
 

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I repeat: no coach worth a damn is ever going to let his administration dictate his staff that directly. Ever.

???? If the administration only required Chang be hired - and I don't know that - and they were clear that Jones was to mentor Chang - and if the mentoring agreement was clear to all including the public (perhaps a big if) - if Jones doesn't have an issue with Chang or the two years and out, why not? This isn't a normal circumstance and I don't think Jones would have to hand in his union card. All this tells me is he doesn't want to agree to the conditions for whatever reasons. Doesn't matter. As you say he didn't want anyone telling him how to manage his boat. Retirement is good.

PS Having said that Jones would have to retain a right to get rid of Chang for insubordination, etc. There's always a possibility. As a manager I wouldn't agree to not having any rights to discipline. So maybe that's your point.
 
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???? If the administration only required Chang be hired - and I don't know that - and they were clear that Jones was to mentor Chang - and if the mentoring agreement was clear to all including the public (perhaps a big if) - if Jones doesn't have an issue with Chang or the two years and out, why not? This isn't a normal circumstance and I don't think Jones would have to hand in his union card. All this tells me is he doesn't want to agree to the conditions for whatever reasons. Doesn't matter. As you say he didn't want anyone telling him how to manage his boat. Retirement is good.

PS Having said that Jones would have to retain a right to get rid of Chang for insubordination, etc. There's always a possibility. As a manager I wouldn't agree to not having any rights to discipline. So maybe that's your point.

Well the cupboard had to have looked pretty bare regardless. The starting QB defected and a multitude of other players jumped into the transfer portal escape hatch as well, including I believe the coach's own son.

Two years of building and no brass ring to reward the effort.
 

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???? If the administration only required Chang be hired - and I don't know that - and they were clear that Jones was to mentor Chang - and if the mentoring agreement was clear to all including the public (perhaps a big if) - if Jones doesn't have an issue with Chang or the two years and out, why not? This isn't a normal circumstance and I don't think Jones would have to hand in his union card. All this tells me is he doesn't want to agree to the conditions for whatever reasons. Doesn't matter. As you say he didn't want anyone telling him how to manage his boat. Retirement is good.

PS Having said that Jones would have to retain a right to get rid of Chang for insubordination, etc. There's always a possibility. As a manager I wouldn't agree to not having any rights to discipline. So maybe that's your point.

Because no head coach worth a damn is going to allow the AD to dictate his staff. Did I stutter?
 

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Jones’ response is pretty funny. Clearly, he was not interested in mentoring Timmy Chang. Had he been interested in such a role, if would have been a simple pitch to make to recruits.






Chang is, like, really inexperienced.
 
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I think he would completely change the offense. Throwing the ball 90 percent of the time and so on. Think Mike Leach and guys like that. I don't have anything against such an offense, just saying we have not recruited for it and if we go that way we have to make a commitment to do it and do it long term. I doubt coach Fitz has such an interest.
They would have installed a pure form of the run and shoot (some similar concepts, but not the same as Leach’s air raid) because Jones learned it under Mouse Davis (his college coach) and has used the system his entire career, including when he was in the NFL and during his previous stint as the head man in Hawaii.

They ran it a hybrid of it a few years back with Rolovic (before he went to Wash St/got fired). He, like Chang, played under Jones during late 90s/2000s.

It’s possible Chang installs another hybrid like Rolovic did. Interested to see how it plays out. That system is a joy watch when it’s humming.
 
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