Just for the sake of argument (leaving the SEC)

[Myotis]

I know I'm in a large minority, but I became convinced years ago that UK will never be successful in football as long as it remains in the SEC but could do well an another conference (other than the B10, where in my mind, the same issues would prevail). Never mind the reasons, they're not relevent here.But I have a question for the rest of the fans.

Just for sake of argument, for a moment grant me my premise and then answer me this.

IF you were also absolutely convineced UK would never again have a winning SEC season, would you rather:

A) remain in the SEC cellar, with an occasional lower tier bowl game, and a ceiling of 7-5 (4-4 in conf)
B) change conferences and begin to develop a winning record, regularly go to bowl games, and occasionally go to a higher tier bowl game, with regular season records of 9-3 or better and compete for conferene titles.

I know it will never happen, but I want to see what people value more, the $$$ and prestiege of the SEC, or a successful W/L record and lots of postseason play.

 

[gamalielkid]

I know I'm in a large minority, but I became convinced years ago that UK will never be successful in football as long as it remains in the SEC but could do well an another conference (other than the B10, where in my mind, the same issues would prevail). Never mind the reasons, they're not relevent here.But I have a question for the rest of the fans.

Just for sake of argument, for a moment grant me my premise and then answer me this.

IF you were also absolutely convineced UK would never again have a winning SEC season, would you rather:

A) remain in the SEC cellar, with an occasional lower tier bowl game, and a ceiling of 7-5 (4-4 in conf)
B) change conferences and begin to develop a winning record, regularly go to bowl games, and occasionally go to a higher tier bowl game, with regular season records of 9-3 or better and compete for conferene titles.

I know it will never happen, but I want to see what people value more, the $$$ and prestiege of the SEC, or a successful W/L record and lots of postseason play.

This was/is the Louisville model - how's that working out?

Go Big Blue!

 

[Nuke99m.]

Big 10 would be the only Conf. we would compete in. But it's a moot point because we are not leaving the SEC. Too much money.

 

[KentuckyStout]

This "let's leave the SEC" crap needs to stop. It's a cancer.

 

[bthaunert]

Prepare for the "we're a founding member of the SEC" and "we would never leave because of the money" people to not play along I will play along...

I would 100% rather be in a league where we can compete. We are in a state right now that we wouldn't be able to compete in Conference USA, but if you look back at our best team over the past 20 years (2006 team), we went to the freaking Music City Bowl. How depressing is it to think about that. I believe we would have competed for an ACC title that year and in 2007 had we been in that conference.

 

[StubbornPenny]

Yeah man, we should move to Conference USA, because I know we can beat teams like Southen Miss......

.....wait a second....

 

[Nuke99m.]

This "let's leave the SEC" crap needs to stop. It's a cancer.

Cancer is curable.

 

[JasonS.]

Big 10 would be the only Conf. we would compete in. But it's a moot point because we are not leaving the SEC. Too much money.

FWIW, even more (television) money per school in the Big 10 with their new TV deal. But it's close. Six one half ... it's the Big 10/SEC and then everybody else.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...elany-new-deal-stunningly-big-deal/83247570/#

 

[WildCard]

There is little doubt in my mind UK would "athletically happier" in the ACC rather than the SEC...more winnable football, much better basketball and at least equal quality in other sports. But I just cannot imagine that happening.

I'm not going to try to dig it out but, IIRC, the net conference revenue sharing is about $10 M more in the SEC ??? The future ACC network will likely narrow that gap a bit but the money is still in the football crazy SEC. JMO

Peace

 

[UKfan2151]

We would suck in any of the P5 conferences.

 

[John Henry]

To be honest I am surprised we have not been kicked out of the SEC. In the early 1950's we almost were. The only school that had our back us was Tennessee. Looking back on it now maybe we should have left at that time.

 

[HedleyLamarr]

Man up. UK is squandering the incredible opportunity to be the best of the best. Stop the quitter talk and get it together, to compete at the highest level. Man up.

 

[KY1WING]

Is the NAIA looking for new members?

 

[akaukswoosh]

We would suck in any of the P5 conferences.

Probably would. The grass is greener argument doesn't work for me.

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

To be honest I am surprised we have not been kicked out of the SEC. In the early 1950's we almost were. The only school that had our back us was Tennessee. Looking back on it now maybe we should have left at that time.

I sometimes wish we would get booted just to piss off the basketball only fans who realize the historical blueprint of a cakewalk is no more.

 

[Big John Stud]

Southern Miss aint SEC.

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

The future ACC network will likely narrow that gap a bit but the money is still in the football crazy SEC. JMO

nah:

"The term “Power 5” is just 2 years old, and already we may need a new one to accurately describe the tiers of conference clout in college athletics. Super Power 2? Dominant Duo? The New Odd Couple? They’re easier to identify than they are to give a cute name — the Southeastern Conference and Big Ten are in position to widen their financial advantage over Power 5 cohorts ACC, Big 12 and Pac-12...

“The SEC and Big Ten are poised for separation, and the difference makers for both are their networks,” said Jeff Nelson, vice president for client strategy at Chicago-based Navigate Research, which evaluates sports and entertainment marketing investments. “The SEC, no matter what, is going to be in good shape, because it has strong, passionate fan bases and the top level of play. The Big Ten will be in great shape and right now might even be above the SEC, but if I had to bet on just one conference in the long run, no matter what the landscape looks like, it would be the SEC.”

http://www.tennessean.com/story/spo...ten-super-conferences-another-level/86823100/

 

[UKErik]

I'd love to see Kentucky leave for the 1) Big Ten or 2) ACC. It will never happen though.

I have NEVER understood some UK fans and their commitment or love for the SEC. Folks, Kentucky is a charter member. We've been around since the league started. And in that time period, how many fellow league members consider UK their #1 rival? If you answered zero, congratulations. You're not delusional. How many would even name UK as their #2 rival? Maybe Vanderbilt????

Another oddity...the pride some UK fans take in owning the SEC in basketball. Folks, fans across the south could absolutely care less. Basketball is probably less popular than baseball at many league schools.

So...UK is stuck in a league that could care less if they're a member or not. Joy joy!

GBB!!!

 

[Mojocat_rivals48469]

yep, I've thought the same thing for years. Just don't think they'd ever leave, for two reasons. one good and one, meh. The meh reason is I just don't think anyone wants to be the person making that kind of call for change. Generations, tradition, etc. People are afraid of change, and you know with something like that there'd be a ton of criticism and backlash (from even among our own fanbase). The good reason to reject a move is money. See the article above. I don't know what the future holds, it's a crazy time for college sports and who knows where we'll be in a decade or two. If I had to bet on one thing, though, it would be that the SEC will survive and prosper, and will continue to hand out huge checks.....

 

[Dakota25]

UK belongs in the ACC. They would have a shot at a bowl game in football and the basketball team would get the tougher competition they need to prepare for the tournament. So UK, a basketball school, belongs in the basketball conference that is the ACC.

Another option would be to move the football team to the ACC and the basketball team can either stay in the SEC or move to another basketball conference that is stronger than the SEC in basketball and that is the Big East.

As for UK getting kicked out that will never happen. Without UK the SEC would be a one bid league in our state's sport and Vanderbilt would likely get kicked out first but the SEC needs them for academics.

 

[GridCats]

I think the other SEC schools would love for KY to leave. They have to share their Bowl money and KY can't get in one. However, they might just like the easy win too.

 

[STUCKNBIG10]

I'd love to see Kentucky leave for the 1) Big Ten or 2) ACC. It will never happen though.

I have NEVER understood some UK fans and their commitment or love for the SEC. Folks, Kentucky is a charter member. We've been around since the league started. And in that time period, how many fellow league members consider UK their #1 rival? If you answered zero, congratulations. You're not delusional. How many would even name UK as their #2 rival? Maybe Vanderbilt????

Another oddity...the pride some UK fans take in owning the SEC in basketball. Folks, fans across the south could absolutely care less. Basketball is probably less popular than baseball at many league schools.

So...UK is stuck in a league that could care less if they're a member or not. Joy joy!

GBB!!!

I completely agree with this. I don't know if it's the confederate section of UK's fanbase or what, but it's just an odd love that UK fans have for a conference that has repeatedly screwed UK over the years. The big 10 would be an excellent move as our current disadvantage (being the northernmost SEC school) turns into an immediate advantage (southernmost Big 10 school). The brand is just as strong. The academics are far better (the big 10 is an excellent academic league with each of the league's schools having the prestigious AAU designation while only 3-4 of the SEC schools have that same designation). The money is equivalent (actually the BIG is slightly better right now).

If the Big 10 offered, I'd go, but I know I'm in the minority. I also think the ACC would be a better fit than the SEC.

 

[STUCKNBIG10]

The other great thing about the Big 10 would be rivals and proximity. In the SEC, we have only Vandy and UT that are close drives.

In the BIG 10, you'd immediately pick up a huge multi-sport rivalry with Ohio state. Indiana-UK would become huge again. Purdue-UK would be a good regional rivalry. Illinois is relatively close and brings road trips to Chi-town. Michigan and Michigan State are 4-5 hour drives depending on where you're coming from in KY. UK would also still be the biggest basketball fish in a very good league (as opposed to being the biggest basketball fish in a terrible league). Further, I think UK comes in as a middle-tier team (not necessarily this year's hot mess, but if you take a blended average of where we have been the last 10-20 years, talent level, and current state of facilities and football investment) - generally better than Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, and Indiana; right there with Northwestern, Minnesota, Illinois; behind "catchable" teams like Iowa, Penn State, Wisconsin, Nebraska; and looking up to two superpowers - Michigan and Ohio state (as opposed to the SEC which has a superpower on every block). It's not an easy league by any stretch, but UK could win much bigger and more often in this league.

 

[Big John Stud]

I think the other SEC schools would love for KY to leave. They have to share their Bowl money and KY can't get in one. However, they might just like the easy win too.

They share a little bit of their bowl money. I would love to make a deal where teams keep all their bowl money and we keep all the money from our NCAA tournament units. Spoiler alert, we would come out way ahead.

 

[JayCatz44]

I'd love to see Kentucky leave for the 1) Big Ten or 2) ACC. It will never happen though.

I have NEVER understood some UK fans and their commitment or love for the SEC. Folks, Kentucky is a charter member. We've been around since the league started. And in that time period, how many fellow league members consider UK their #1 rival? If you answered zero, congratulations. You're not delusional. How many would even name UK as their #2 rival? Maybe Vanderbilt????

Another oddity...the pride some UK fans take in owning the SEC in basketball. Folks, fans across the south could absolutely care less. Basketball is probably less popular than baseball at many league schools.

So...UK is stuck in a league that could care less if they're a member or not. Joy joy!

GBB!!!

I agree completely. This was a topic on the HOB awhile back. I was for changing conferences and was told UK would be the laughing stock of college football if they switched.

 

[Xception]

Maybe UK should just cut football loose and let the team go play in a wussy conference of their choosing , go independent and schedule easy .

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

UK belongs in the As for UK getting kicked out that will never happen. Without UK the SEC would be a one bid league in our state's sport and Vanderbilt would likely get kicked out first but the SEC needs them for academics.

That's not an SEC statement that's a UK fan rationalization. Do you honestly think other schools in this conference gives 2 ***** about keeping UK for basketball reasons?!?! Keep dreaming. They'd rather keep Vandy for academic reasons--than for that nonsense.

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

I'd love to see Kentucky leave for the 1) Big Ten or 2) ACC. It will never happen though.

I have NEVER understood some UK fans and their commitment or love for the SEC. Folks, Kentucky is a charter member. We've been around since the league started. And in that time period, how many fellow league members consider UK their #1 rival? If you answered zero, congratulations. You're not delusional. How many would even name UK as their #2 rival? Maybe Vanderbilt????

Another oddity...the pride some UK fans take in owning the SEC in basketball. Folks, fans across the south could absolutely care less. Basketball is probably less popular than baseball at many league schools.

So...UK is stuck in a league that could care less if they're a member or not. Joy joy!

GBB!!!

Hell I love football but wanted a basketball powerhouse to join instead of TAMU or Mizzou

 

[Katwatcher]

To be honest I am surprised we have not been kicked out of the SEC. In the early 1950's we almost were. The only school that had our back us was Tennessee. Looking back on it now maybe we should have left at that time.

The late 40's and early 50's were our strongest years, I don't remember anything about UK almost being kicked out of SEC.

I would like for UK to stay in SEC and continue to improve so we can compete. I don't think you gain anything
by playing in a lesser conference. Play the best competition and you will get better. Also more money to share.

 

[lex cath]

:chairshot:Ridiculous thread

 

[katwest]

We might win the OVC, I don't know Jacksonville state and Eastern could play with us and one that left the OVC beat us two years in a row. Na I'd rather stay in the SEC and take the 5 million we split between every team each year.

 

[Poetax]

I know I'm in a large minority, but I became convinced years ago that UK will never be successful in football as long as it remains in the SEC but could do well an another conference (other than the B10, where in my mind, the same issues would prevail). Never mind the reasons, they're not relevent here.But I have a question for the rest of the fans.

Just for sake of argument, for a moment grant me my premise and then answer me this.

IF you were also absolutely convineced UK would never again have a winning SEC season, would you rather:

A) remain in the SEC cellar, with an occasional lower tier bowl game, and a ceiling of 7-5 (4-4 in conf)
B) change conferences and begin to develop a winning record, regularly go to bowl games, and occasionally go to a higher tier bowl game, with regular season records of 9-3 or better and compete for conferene titles.

I know it will never happen, but I want to see what people value more, the $$$ and prestiege of the SEC, or a successful W/L record and lots of postseason play.

It doesn't matter what we think, I don't believe, we will never leave the SEC unless they come up with those P5 power conferences and we don't make the cut.

 

[RACdad]

UK is one of the founding members of the SEC. Saying that, it should not matter. I've believed for yrs it would be beneficial for UK to join the Big 10 in many ways. I think football and baseball may be the biggest beneficiaries of a move.

 

[mhroe1984]

The product I saw on the field last Saturday in Gainesville couldn't compete in the MAC.

 

[Myotis]

:chairshot:Ridiculous thread

You can slam me with that chair all you want and it means nothing, but when you start slamming on UKERIK, you should know you've crossed the line.......

I'd love to see Kentucky leave for the 1) Big Ten or 2) ACC. It will never happen though.

I have NEVER understood some UK fans and their commitment or love for the SEC. Folks, Kentucky is a charter member. We've been around since the league started. And in that time period, how many fellow league members consider UK their #1 rival? If you answered zero, congratulations. You're not delusional. How many would even name UK as their #2 rival? Maybe Vanderbilt????

Another oddity...the pride some UK fans take in owning the SEC in basketball. Folks, fans across the south could absolutely care less. Basketball is probably less popular than baseball at many league schools.

So...UK is stuck in a league that could care less if they're a member or not. Joy joy!

GBB!!!

 

[richbrookstomato]

1. UK will NEVER leave the SEC-MONEY, MONEY, MONEY
2. The Big10 would NEVER take UK into it's elitist conference
3. The ACC will NEVER have the MONEY, MONEY, MONEY to lure UK

IMHO, The BIG10 would be the most beneficial move for UK to have a chance to succeed in every sport. But like I stated above I don't ever see UK moving.

 

[Xception]

How much would a switch even help UK fb ? I doubt they would be competitive in any major conference , still losing but by less . How is that beneficial when we've almost never had a team good enough to take advantage of a switch . It's not justifiable when you consider the sec revenue . If UK fb could flourish in a weaker conference then I think it would be a little different but there's nothing to suggest that would be the case .

 

[lex cath]

You can slam me with that chair all you want and it means nothing, but when you start slamming on UKERIK, you should know you've crossed the line.......

Please son, it's a message board. Get it ?

 

[LadyCaytIL]

if we absolutely must leave the SEC. become an independent.

 

[Dakota25]

That's not an SEC statement that's a UK fan rationalization. Do you honestly think other schools in this conference gives 2 ***** about keeping UK for basketball reasons?!?! Keep dreaming. They'd rather keep Vandy for academic reasons--than for that nonsense.

That's not true. If it was true then fantastic, UK belongs in a basketball conference. I hate being in the SEC.