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Erial_Lion

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You're completely full of crap that the hit would have been deemed to be Targetting under the NCAA Rule that protects QBs in the throwing motion - all Targetting calls are a Mandatory Review and there is no way on God's Green Earth that was a violation under the actual NCAA Rulebook, but thanks for proving yet again what an obfuscating, b1g douche, shill and troll you are.
I see we've moved on to the "make up stuff that I didn't actually say while moving the goalposts" part of the argument.

You obviously don't understand the Roughing the Passer rule. I'll just accept that fact at this point and move on (hopefully).

Though we've come a long way from your initial claim that the NCAA rulebook offers no protection outside of Targeting for high hits, when you stated "BTW, the NCAA Rulebook does not even have a "High Hit on QB" rule as the NFL does (to show you the bs that this bushleague's Officials make up as they go along). The NCAA has 2 rules protecting QB - "Roughing the Passer" (illegal late hit or illegal low hit) and "Targetting PF" where QB is a "Protected Player" under the rule (i.e., you can not initiate contact to head or neck area). These hacks made a call that is not even in the NCAA Rulebook - "high hit" on a Protected Player is covered by Targetting Rule in NCAA and they didn't call this as it is a MANDATORY review and it would not have been upheld on Replay as it was beyond clearly a horse-crap call. "
 

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Agree, They despised Paterno

Things haven't changed much since then

There are really only two teams the B1G really cares about. Oregon is a favored step-child until they face either OSU or Michigan.
Yep. They wanted us because of the colossal fan base and prestige we brought to the conference. But in the eyes of the B1G, we were supposed to be the "jobber to the stars".

When Paterno won the conference in year-2, that really pissed off the people in Rosemont. It made it look like the Nittany Lion came to town and showed the Wolverines and Buckeyes who was boss.
 

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Unless the video i watched was chopped up, he went in the tunnel a minute or so after the players did. But i honestly didnt watch close enough to see if it was edited.

Yeah, I didn’t see much delay either except as he entered the tunnel. He hugged a family member (I assume) and then stopped in the tunnel and waited. I couldn’t see what was happening further in the tunnel but it was a little odd he stood there a while before continuing.
 
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Who do you listen to? I enjoy the run of talking heads each morning, Colin is the best of the bunch. Tell me what he says that you disagree with.
i also enjoy the Ringer. My guess is 12 years ago colin said some not nice things about Joe, ya know, while our program was hosting a pedephile.
 

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I see we've moved on to the "make up stuff that I didn't actually say while moving the goalposts" part of the argument.

You obviously don't understand the Roughing the Passer rule. I'll just accept that fact at this point and move on (hopefully).

Though we've come a long way from your initial claim that the NCAA rulebook offers no protection outside of Targeting for high hits, when you stated "BTW, the NCAA Rulebook does not even have a "High Hit on QB" rule as the NFL does (to show you the bs that this bushleague's Officials make up as they go along). The NCAA has 2 rules protecting QB - "Roughing the Passer" (illegal late hit or illegal low hit) and "Targetting PF" where QB is a "Protected Player" under the rule (i.e., you can not initiate contact to head or neck area). These hacks made a call that is not even in the NCAA Rulebook - "high hit" on a Protected Player is covered by Targetting Rule in NCAA and they didn't call this as it is a MANDATORY review and it would not have been upheld on Replay as it was beyond clearly a horse-crap call. "
This disagreement is fast approaching "stupidest argument on a message board" territory, if not already there.
 

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That Franklin and Kraft had a screaming match after the game. I don't think the herd could put this in the public domain if it didn't happen but you never know with the media.
Anyway, makes me wonder was he fired for insubordination or were they yelling after he was fired. Interesting.
Hard is more full of s*** than a Thanksgiving Turkey.
 
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Dani Dennis-sutton’s quote after the game about “now it’s gonna be a whole nother level of problems” was telling and maybe he had just witnessed this
He’s right but given his uninspired play he needs to take a LONG look in the mirror.
 

Bvillebaron

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I’m sure tensions were running high after the game, but I wonder what could have been said with the players around that would have precipitated a shouting match.
Yeah as I said before I understand the firing but if this is true this is not a good look for Kraft. He should know better than to go into the locker room after this type of loss (he is a former player) and it lends credence to those who claim it was a knee jerk firing.
 

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Plausible. Krafty seems like to type to periodically blow a fuse.

At least the players observed a life lesson....someone getting chewed out by their boss for underperformance. If true, it shouldn't have happened in the locker room, but Franklin might have been dismissive of Kraft wanting to engage.
Franklin had every right to be dismissive of this story is true Not the time or the place for Kraft to confront Franklin.
 

Bvillebaron

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I could see that happening. Franklin tried to blow off Kraft at least until he addresses the team. Kraft having none of it, blows up on the spot. Franklin had to know this was coming.
No he didn’t. Bush league move if Kraft tried to engage Franklin before he spoke to his players after a loss like this.
 
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Doubt he was fired for insubordination
They both knew he was done. He knew the moment Northwestern slid down at the 3
The way he stood there in shock in the middle of the field. he was taking one last look around because he knew it was over.
 
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Stop the ********. If he quit they wouldn’t be obligated to pay him any money.
Not exactly. . . If PSU and Franklin negotiated a separation, it could called whatever the two parties wished, but PSU would owe whatever severance was negotiated. Most often done when employer could pursue a for cause separation and this unlikely in this instance. Just more nuanced than yes or no.
 
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I still think PSU fans have a way overinflated view of themselves. I mean you really haven't been at the top of the mountain for 30 years or so. So it is not like Franklin took a Ferrari and crashed it into a wall. He made it into a Ferrari (and then crashed it LOL) but.... I think aside from the record against the ranked teams and the debacles against UCLA and NW, his arrogance, petulance, I am guessing he didn't have a strong circle of support amongst the leaders in State College that would have come to bat for him. That, you wonder how much as the clock was ticking off against Northwester, IU was beating top 5 ranked Oregon in Eugene, which was the final nail.

Just be careful. The Tennessee, Auburn, A&M and Florida programs have been chasing a white elephant (Alabama and now Georgia) and they all have hit upon some rocky times over the years, Nebraska famously thought they were better than 9-10 wins when Solich took over and still have yet to recover, even programs as big as Texas, ND and Michigan thought they were too big to fail and made some awful coaching hires. So careful what you wish for.
 
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I still think PSU fans have a way overinflated view of themselves. I mean you really haven't been at the top of the mountain for 30 years or so. So it is not like Franklin took a Ferrari and crashed it into a wall. He made it into a Ferrari (and then crashed it LOL) but.... I think aside from the record against the ranked teams and the debacles against UCLA and NW, his arrogance, petulance, I am guessing he didn't have a strong circle of support amongst the leaders in State College that would have come to bat for him. That, you wonder how much as the clock was ticking off against Northwester, IU was beating top 5 ranked Oregon in Eugene, which was the final nail.

Just be careful. The Tennessee, Auburn, A&M and Florida programs have been chasing a white elephant (Alabama and now Georgia) and they all have hit upon some rocky times over the years, Nebraska famously thought they were better than 9-10 wins when Solich took over and still have yet to recover, even programs as big as Texas, ND and Michigan thought they were too big to fail and made some awful coaching hires. So careful what you wish for.
 
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I still think PSU fans have a way overinflated view of themselves.

i agree with this and it comes from being ok with 4-21 and pride beating up on blue hens. Not sure if we suck or rise above but im super happy we’re trying. now, who do you root for smartie pants
 
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Yeah, I didn’t see much delay either except as he entered the tunnel. He hugged a family member (I assume) and then stopped in the tunnel and waited. I couldn’t see what was happening further in the tunnel but it was a little odd he stood there a while before continuing.
He hugged his daughter. I assumed he knew he was going to get skewered by the fans in the tunnel. He stopped and waited for his family to get through the tunnel before he went in. Once he was through the tunnel, one daughter came to him and hugged him again.

That was painful to watch. I suspect they both knew what was about to happen. I felt very sad as the father of a young woman. Had to be tough to watch her dad go through that. Granted, he brought her in to that situation. Still a tough one.
 

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Not exactly. . . If PSU and Franklin negotiated a separation, it could called whatever the two parties wished, but PSU would owe whatever severance was negotiated. Most often done when employer could pursue a for cause separation and this unlikely in this instance. Just more nuanced than yes or no.
What incentive would Franklin have to do that?
He was going to get every last penny and I don't blame him. It's not his fault we have the dumbest buyout ever.
 

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I still think PSU fans have a way overinflated view of themselves. I mean you really haven't been at the top of the mountain for 30 years or so. So it is not like Franklin took a Ferrari and crashed it into a wall. He made it into a Ferrari (and then crashed it LOL) but.... I think aside from the record against the ranked teams and the debacles against UCLA and NW, his arrogance, petulance, I am guessing he didn't have a strong circle of support amongst the leaders in State College that would have come to bat for him. That, you wonder how much as the clock was ticking off against Northwester, IU was beating top 5 ranked Oregon in Eugene, which was the final nail.

Just be careful. The Tennessee, Auburn, A&M and Florida programs have been chasing a white elephant (Alabama and now Georgia) and they all have hit upon some rocky times over the years, Nebraska famously thought they were better than 9-10 wins when Solich took over and still have yet to recover, even programs as big as Texas, ND and Michigan thought they were too big to fail and made some awful coaching hires. So careful what you wish for.
No one said we're too big to fall
It's worth the risk. Being mediocre as they were under Franklin isn't the goal.
If the next year fails he'll be fired too. Such is life.
You dont keep a coach because you're afraid of failure when you're already failing.
 
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No one said we're too big to fall
It's worth the risk. Being mediocre as they were under Franklin isn't the goal.
If the next year fails he'll be fired too. Such is life.
You dont keep a coach because you're afraid of failure when you're already failing.
There were 3 coaches who had better records over the past 5 years, Day, Smart and DeBoer. I am sorry, if that is your definition of mediocrity then you have to recalibrate.
 

KingLando

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There were 3 coaches who had better records over the past 5 years, Day, Smart and DeBoer. I am sorry, if that is your definition of mediocrity then you have to recalibrate.
I don't. Mediocrity is winning based solely on talent. Whenever the talent level was comparable CJF lost. He admitted after Oregon that it was no longer talk but fact he couldn't beat good teams then proceeded to lose to 2 teams with far less talent.

It's like people that claim Tomlin shouldn't be fired because he goes 9-8 and then fails in the playoffs.

Watch what happens wherever he ends up. You'll get the same result. Which is why hiring Rhule would be idiotic.

His best win over the past 3 years was who? Compare that to the others you mentioned.
 
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I don't. Mediocrity is winning based solely on talent. Whenever the talent level was comparable CJF lost. He admitted after Oregon that it was no longer talk but fact he couldn't beat good teams then proceeded to lose to 2 teams with far less talent.

It's like people that claim Tomlin shouldn't be fired because he goes 9-8 and then fails in the playoffs.

Watch what happens wherever he ends up. You'll get the same result. Which is why hiring Rhule would be idiotic.

His best win over the past 3 years was who? Compare that to the others you mentioned.
That's fair, I posted something similar in another thread
 

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Doubt he was fired for insubordination
They both knew he was done. He knew the moment Northwestern slid down at the 3
This was just incredibly ironic. During the course of Franklin's tenure there was an accumulation of events that led to the fanbase questioning Franklin's ability to be an effective game coach / manager. Blowing two fourth quarter double digit leads to tOSU in 2017 and 2018 and at the top of the list is Devyn Ford not taking a knee at Indiana in 2020 to run out the clock. There were other questionable decisions along the way which were not so apparent as the I/U debacle which eroded fan support.
 

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I still think PSU fans have a way overinflated view of themselves. I mean you really haven't been at the top of the mountain for 30 years or so. So it is not like Franklin took a Ferrari and crashed it into a wall. He made it into a Ferrari (and then crashed it LOL) but.... I think aside from the record against the ranked teams and the debacles against UCLA and NW, his arrogance, petulance, I am guessing he didn't have a strong circle of support amongst the leaders in State College that would have come to bat for him. That, you wonder how much as the clock was ticking off against Northwester, IU was beating top 5 ranked Oregon in Eugene, which was the final nail.

Just be careful. The Tennessee, Auburn, A&M and Florida programs have been chasing a white elephant (Alabama and now Georgia) and they all have hit upon some rocky times over the years, Nebraska famously thought they were better than 9-10 wins when Solich took over and still have yet to recover, even programs as big as Texas, ND and Michigan thought they were too big to fail and made some awful coaching hires. So careful what you wish for.
Whatever....get busy trying I guess. As a fan, id rather them fail trying to be the best than accept status quo and 10 wins(Franklin's ceiling).
 
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I am hoping we can resume the rule book debate about the toe-heel thing from the 2005 Michigan game.

that was an all timer.

This same clown tried to claim that the entire "first foot landing" did not have to be in, in the 2005 Avant "catch", which was only a "catch" in the cheating b1g - he argued with me about that rule ad infinitum despite the fact he was abjectly and definitively WRONG regarding his defend b1g clown cheaters regardless of the actual NCAA Rulebook. BTW, the play was also not Reviewed - which was MANDATORY at the time for all such sideline catches inside 2 minutes of either half (the Replay Review Rules had only been established a year earlier and that play was a MANDATORY Replay Review at the time, but the cheating b1g Officials made the WRONG CALL and conducted no Review despite a Replay Review being MANDATORY on the play! Talk about things that make you go hhhhhmmmm........).

This time, he is referencing a Rule that does not apply to the hit in question and penalty called. In the NCAA Rulebook, a "high hit" on a QB in the act of throwing the football is covered under the NCAA "Targetting Rule" under the additional protections of a "Protected Player" under the rule (which makes a hit initiated to the head or shoulder area a Targetting PF) - no other rule. It is the NFL that has a specific Rule for a "High Hit" on a QB in the act of throwing. This is what I told the obfuscating defend b1g hacks at all cost douche. The b1g hack Official called a penalty for a "Personal Foul High Hit on QB" in the act of a throw - this is the NFL Rule; again the NCAA Violation would be "Targetting" (the only NCAA Rule that applies to high hits on QB while in THE ACT OF THROWING THE FOOTBALL via its "Protected Player" provision).

So dipshit tells me I'm wrong by citing a Rule that DOES NOT EVEN APPLY to the hit in question or Penalty Called. The Rule he cites says in its first sentence, before citing any other prescriptions and circumstances, that the Rule ONLY APPLIES to situations where the hit occurred AFTER the ball had "obviously been thrown" by the QB - again, circumstances that clearly do not apply to the hit in question (he referenced the "Late Hit" Rule on the QB when the hit in question was not ruled a "late hit" - it was clearly a hit on a QB in the act of throwing the football and absurd to claim otherwise). Here is exactly how the rule he cited reads:

College: 9-1-9

SECTION 1. Personal Fouls

Roughing the Passer

ARTICLE 9.

a. No defensive player shall unnecessarily rough a passer, when it is obvious the ball has been thrown. The following actions are illegal, but not limited to:​


Again, the Penalty called was for a "High Hit on QB" who was in the act of throwing - it was not a hit where it was "obvious the ball had been thrown". The Penalty for the call made in the NCAA Rulebook is "Targetting" on a "Protected Player", not a "High Hit on QB" in act of throwing (that is the NFL Rule, not the NCAA Rule). The correctly called NCAA Rule (Targetting on a Protected Player) would have been subject to a Mandatory Review which would have been reversed on Review as it clearly does not meet the requirements of the ACTUAL NCAA Rule (not the bs call that the b1g hacks made-up as they went along).
 
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Erial_Lion

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This same clown tried to claim that the entire "first foot landing" did not have to be in, in the 2005 Avant "catch", which was only a "catch" in the cheating b1g - he argued with me about that rule ad infinitum despite the fact he was abjectly and definitively WRONG regarding his defend b1g clown cheaters regardless of the actual NCAA Rulebook. BTW, the play was also not Reviewed - which was MANDATORY at the time for all such sideline catches inside 2 minutes of either half (the Replay Review Rules had only been established a year earlier and that play was a MANDATORY Replay Review at the time, but the cheating b1g Officials made the WRONG CALL and conducted no Review despite a Replay Review being MANDATORY on the play! Talk about things that make you go hhhhhmmmm........).

This time, he is referencing a Rule that does not apply to the hit in question and penalty called. In the NCAA Rulebook, a "high hit" on a QB in the act of throwing the football is covered under the NCAA "Targetting Rule" under the additional protections of a "Protected Player" under the rule (which makes a hit initiated to the head or shoulder area a Targetting PF) - no other rule. It is the NFL that has a specific Rule for a "High Hit" on a QB in the act of throwing. This is what I told the obfuscating defend b1g hacks at all cost douche. The b1g hack Official called a penalty for a "Personal Foul High Hit on QB" in the act of a throw - this is the NFL Rule; again the NCAA Violation would be "Targetting" (the only NCAA Rule that applies to high hits on QB while in THE ACT OF THROWING THE FOOTBALL via its "Protected Player" provision).

So dipshit tells me I'm wrong by citing a Rule that DOES NOT EVEN APPLY to the hit in question or Penalty Called. The Rule he cites says in its first sentence, before citing any other prescriptions and circumstances, that the Rule ONLY APPLIES to situations where the hit occurred AFTER the ball had "obviously been thrown" by the QB - again, circumstances that clearly do not apply to the hit in question (he referenced the "Late Hit" Rule on the QB when the hit in question was not ruled a "late hit" - it was clearly a hit on a QB in the act of throwing the football and absurd to claim otherwise). Here is exactly how the rule he cited reads:

College: 9-1-9

SECTION 1. Personal Fouls

Roughing the Passer

ARTICLE 9.

a. No defensive player shall unnecessarily rough a passer, when it is obvious the ball has been thrown. The following actions are illegal, but not limited to:​


Again, the Penalty called was for a "High Hit on QB" who was in the act of throwing - it was not a hit where it was "obvious the ball had been thrown". The Penalty for the call made in the NCAA Rulebook is "Targetting" on a "Protected Player", not a "High Hit on QB" in act of throwing (that is the NFL Rule, not the NCAA Rule). The correctly called NCAA Rule (Targetting on a Protected Player) would have been subject to a Mandatory Review which would have been reversed on Review as it clearly does not meet the requirements of the ACTUAL NCAA Rule (not the bs call that the b1g hacks made-up as they went along).
I was going to just let it go, but I guess I'll post a good video explaining it...it dispels everything that you've said, as of course we can have a Roughing the Passer on a high hit after a ball is thrown without it being Targeting...



Roughing the passer. A defender attempted to block a thrown ball by a quarterback, but upon his follow through, he forcibly contacted the head of the passer, who was defenseless at the time. Shaw indicated that these are roughing the passer calls that they want called because the defender, while making a legitimate play on the ball, must control any hit on the quarterback and avoid the passer’s head. This was not targeting because there were no indicators of targeting, and the foul is enforced from the end of the run with an automatic first down.

(and hopefully now I'm done)
 
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I was going to just let it go, but I guess I'll post a good video explaining it...it dispels everything that you've said, as of course we can have a Roughing the Passer on a high hit after a ball is thrown without it being Targeting...



Roughing the passer. A defender attempted to block a thrown ball by a quarterback, but upon his follow through, he forcibly contacted the head of the passer, who was defenseless at the time. Shaw indicated that these are roughing the passer calls that they want called because the defender, while making a legitimate play on the ball, must control any hit on the quarterback and avoid the passer’s head. This was not targeting because there were no indicators of targeting, and the foul is enforced from the end of the run with an automatic first down.

(and hopefully now I'm done)


Wrong, the NCAA Roughing Rule specifically states that it ONLY APPLIES to hits coming after "the ball has OBVIOUSLY been thrown". Here is the actual written NCAA Rule:

College: 9-1-9

SECTION 1. Personal Fouls

Roughing the Passer

ARTICLE 9.

a. No defensive player shall unnecessarily rough a passer, when it is obvious the ball has been thrown. The following actions are illegal, but not limited to:​


You're reading comprehension of the ACTUAL Rule is faulty just as it was in 2005 regarding the need of Avante's entire "first foot landing" being in-bounds for it to be a good catch. Only you could claim the following clear statement needs "interpretation" LMAO: "No defensive player shall unnecessarily rough a passer, when it is obvious the ball has been thrown."

BTW, there was no "forcible contact to the head" after the initial clearly legal hit which was not "high" or illegal in any way, but you just keep right on making bullsheet circumstances up.
 
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