Just so I understand..

[EERs 3:16]

For the past three or four years, Dana set out to under recruit and recruit a team with zero talent, because he knew in advance, that in 2020 he’d be in Houston.........

That just doesn’t seem right. Especially from a coach that kept this team in the national spotlight for most of his tenure.

 

[spartansstink]

A little over the top wouldn't you say?

However, there are two parts to the equation - player recruitment and player development.

As far as player recruitment goes, nobody can really argue against that as DH pretty much recruited on par or perhaps even slightly better than many of his predecessors.

Player development is another matter. I feel this was Dana's downfall as player development seemed to be lacking. For evidence, look at our tendency to hit the JUCO circuit hard every year. Sure, every team does it to fill a hole here and there. We seemingly did it to fill UNITS. That is never good from a development standpoint.

 

[WVUALLEN]

When you recruit JC, 5th year seniors and transfer QB's then you're not really recruiting. You're just putting a band aide over a hole in the dam. He saw what was going to happen so he left as fast as he could.

He knew the offensive line was going to suck. He knew he had no QB. He knew he wouldn't be able to run because he never recruited any linemen. Especially the 5 stars in his own state. Defense he never cared about that.

If he stayed he would have been 4-8 at best. A repeat of 2013. *** would have been fired and looking for an OC job.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

For the past three or four years, Dana set out to under recruit and recruit a team with zero talent, because he knew in advance, that in 2020 he’d be in Houston.........

That just doesn’t seem right. Especially from a coach that kept this team in the national spotlight for most of his tenure.

It probably doesnt seem right because you completely made it up.

 

[spartansstink]

Partially.

In coaching, you are only as valuable as your last season. Holgorsen knew, after not getting the extension, that future earnings would be going down after this season as compared to last because there was no way this year could replicate or better last year.

Every coach knows what he has coming up/in. The Houston deal was simply a matter of the right time/right place.

Does Houston fire their coach if they know they aren't getting Dana? Probably not. Does Houston hire Dana if he goes sub-500 this year? Probably not.

Win-win for both parties.

 

[EERs 3:16]

It probably doesnt seem right because you completely made it up.

No. How many posts do we have to endure of people saying ‘this team is void of talent and DH left the cupboard bare”. In order for that to have happened, Dana must have stepped back, took a look around, and willingly under recruited.

I think this whole ‘cupboard is bare’ thread is for the weak minded. Just because players fit one system and not another, doesn’t mean the cupboard is bare, it just means the wrong players are in the new system. Also find this whole scapegoating one coach to prop up another is for the weak minded and stupid (which i guess is the same thing). HCNB needs to coach what he has and not what he wishes he has......

 

[Darth_VadEER]

No. How many posts do we have to endure of people saying ‘this team is void of talent and DH left the cupboard bare”. In order for that to have happened, Dana must have stepped back, took a look around, and willingly under recruited.

I think this whole ‘cupboard is bare’ thread is for the weak minded. Just because players fit one system and not another, doesn’t mean the cupboard is bare, it just means the wrong players are in the new system. Also find this whole scapegoating one coach to prop up another is for the weak minded and stupid (which i guess is the same thing). HCNB needs to coach what he has and not what he wishes he has......

OK You're right, always easy to replace NFL QB and WR, among others....

If DH was coaching this year wed be better than we are now, because we wouldnt have lost so many players and pushed in a new staff and system at every position...and DH would hit the Juco trail hard. Still, I'm think maybe 7 wins, imo.

The offense would be better because DH is great designing good offenses, imo.

But that doesnt mean he should still be here. His time was up and he moved on.

Keep in mind, we never have top talent....even last year we didn't, and typically we finish the conference right around our talent level....this year our talent level is pretty low.

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Point out where the talent on this team is, comparatively? Where are we actually better than other teams?

 

[op2]

DH obviously wasn't purposely under-recruiting. But just as obviously, 2018 was a dud considering what we had to work woth and it came before the year (2019) when everyone knew WVU would be rebuilding.

If DH had stayed WVU would have been .500 tops and probably below in 2019. With DH leaving and the big transistion, WVU will be even worse this year. I don't think some realize just were looking at this year. 3-9 is a for real possibility and 2-10 is too.

We might as well have changed coaches in 2019 because we'd be doing it in 2020 anyway. I'd rather change now and take a 3-9 in 2019 than get a 5-7 in 2019, or at best a 6-6, and then start over on the rebuild with a new coach in 2020.

If you're going to have a rebuild with a new coach soon anyway you might as well get started now. The sooner we get a new coach the sooner we either get good or else realize the new coach wasn't the answer and we have to get another new coach.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

When you recruit JC, 5th year seniors and transfer QB's then you're not really recruiting. You're just putting a band aide over a hole in the dam. He saw what was going to happen so he left as fast as he could.

He knew the offensive line was going to suck. He knew he had no QB. He knew he wouldn't be able to run because he never recruited any linemen. Especially the 5 stars in his own state. Defense he never cared about that.

If he stayed he would have been 4-8 at best. A repeat of 2013. *** would have been fired and looking for an OC job.

Completely agree with this^^^^.

 

[EERs 3:16]

DH obviously wasn't purposely under-recruiting. But just as obviously, 2018 was a dud considering what we had to work woth and it came before the year (2019) when everyone knew WVU would be rebuilding.

If DH had stayed WVU would have been .500 tops and probably below in 2019. With DH leaving and the big transistion, WVU will be even worse this year. I don't think some realize just were looking at this year. 3-9 is a for real possibility and 2-10 is too.

We might as well have changed coaches in 2019 because we'd be doing it in 2020 anyway. I'd rather change now and take a 3-9 in 2019 than get a 5-7 in 2019, or at best a 6-6, and then start over on the rebuild with a new coach in 2020.

If you're going to have a rebuild with a new coach soon anyway you might as well get started now. The sooner we get a new coach the sooner we either get good or else realize the new coach wasn't the answer and we have to get another new coach.

Right, but that has nothing to do with the stupid argument that DH left a team that’s void of any talent. It’s also foolish to say that there won’t be some growing pains, but to be honest, I don’t think anyone expected the transition to be this bad and not showing any signs of real improvement. While Brown is not on a short leash, he’s got some tough decisions to make about what’s taking place on the field.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Right, but that has nothing to do with the stupid argument that DH left a team that’s void of any talent.

Can you name a single player on this team, other than George Campbell, who will go to the NFL?

 

[EERs 3:16]

Can you name a single player on this team, other than George Campbell, who will go to the NFL?

The way things are going, no one on this team is going to the NFL, but your argument makes a false equivalency

 

[Darth_VadEER]

Right, but that has nothing to do with the stupid argument that DH left a team that’s void of any talent. It’s also foolish to say that there won’t be some growing pains, but to be honest, I don’t think anyone expected the transition to be this bad and not showing any signs of real improvement. While Brown is not on a short leash, he’s got some tough decisions to make about what’s taking place on the field.

Ok where is the talent on this team?

Where are we better than other teams on the field?

 

[EERs 3:16]

Ok where is the talent on this team?

Where are we better than other teams on the field?

There’s talent on the defensive side of the ball...and we did or do have some competent running backs....

The problem is ....is the talent we do have being used correctly? If our RBs don’t do well running east and west....why bother running them east and west?

 

[Cuyahoga Falls Eers_rivals]

Exactly how does this discussion help WVU dig out of the Not Grand Canyon Crater that exists this football season?

I'll still be in Mountaineer Field for the North Carolina State game. But my alma mater is going to need a much bigger boat to keep this team afloat.

 

[5-Technique]

Exactly how does this discussion help WVU dig out of the Not Grand Canyon Crater that exists this football season?

I'll still be in Mountaineer Field for the North Carolina State game. But my alma mater is going to need a much bigger boat to keep this team afloat.

Didn't you post on this board one week ago that with a few adjustments, WVU should also be able to run the ball effectively against Missouri because of what Wyoming did to them?