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FourCornersCowboy

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It’s clear Gundy has to go. With that said and knowing OSU football tradition isn’t near what OSU wrestling is what would be your David Taylor move as an AD?

The game changed for both Gundy and Smith and neither grasped it (please don’t interpret as me putting Gundy and Smith on the same level).
 
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NCPoke

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Not ready to write him off yet, see how the season plays out. Hejny look good for his first game, Flores is looking more comfortable as the game goes on. Gundy did make a lot of changes after last yea, we’ll see if they were good ones.
 
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Chasingthirty-five

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It’s just not the same. The OSU wrestling search is like Alabama looking for Sabans replacement. The OSU football search would be like maybe NC state looking for a replacement if Pop retired. Just not the same.

With that being said. I think ZRob is our swing for the fences hire. Don’t know his personal motives though and not sure he would consider it. Could be step down from current trajectory. We sure love our Alumni coaches though.
 

chasepollard

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It’s just not the same. The OSU wrestling search is like Alabama looking for Sabans replacement. The OSU football search would be like maybe NC state looking for a replacement if Pop retired. Just not the same.

With that being said. I think ZRob is our swing for the fences hire. Don’t know his personal motives though and not sure he would consider it. Could be step down from current trajectory. We sure love our Alumni coaches though.
Gundy is nowhere near the coach Pat Pop is.

And, he will leave the program where it was before his predecessor picked it up. He’s trash…,
 

chasepollard

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On every planet.
Sorry brother, the end of OSU upward trajectory was signaled with the temper tantrum of 2013 and the hiring of Yurcich.

What we have been seeing since is Gundy running the ship without oversight and collaboration. The success that followed was simply residual talent acquired during our sexy era and it simply propped up a rudimentary offensive system.

Gundy is not a savant. He was a good head man when he had a system and assistance. Once that was squandered, his talents as a Football mind have been on display.
 

Chasingthirty-five

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Gundy is nowhere near the coach Pat Pop is.

And, he will leave the program where it was before his predecessor picked it up. He’s trash…,
Sorry for the confusion. Not comparing the coaches themselves. Moreso the hierarchy of the programs and chose a long tenured coach. Bama being the football blue blood and Osu being the wrestling blue blood.
 

chasepollard

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Sorry for the confusion. Not comparing the coaches themselves. Moreso the hierarchy of the programs and chose a long tenured coach. Bama being the football blue blood and Osu being the wrestling blue blood.
No worries.

I took the comparison of Pat Pop to Gundy as a slight to Pat. Not a big deal, just saying if we got a hire similar to Pat Pop for Football, it would be a better hire than Gundy.

I compare Gundy to more of a Tan Tom hire….a guy that does okay with a whole lot that you can’t get rid of.
 

newguy123

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He's legacy. Made OSU football a household name. He's kind of like Bill Snyder... been doing it a long time, nothing flashy, consistent with the exception of last season. Hard to fire the winningest coach in program history. He does seem... out of touch? He runs the program like a CEO, pretty unemotional and businesslike. I think OSU football fans are ready for a head coach with some passion and fire.
 

chasepollard

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He's legacy. Made OSU football a household name. He's kind of like Bill Snyder... been doing it a long time, nothing flashy, consistent with the exception of last season. Hard to fire the winningest coach in program history. He does seem... out of touch? He runs the program like a CEO, pretty unemotional and businesslike. I think OSU football fans are ready for a head coach with some passion and fire.
He is a legacy.

But, Boone Pickens and the innovative approach in which we went about things as a Program made OSU Football a household name.

If you look closely, it’s been majority under achievement since this Yurcich hire. There have been a few good years, yes! But there has not been another 2011 and Gundy is the reason why.
 

FourCornersCowboy

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One bad season in 20 years and outside of that he has a 70% win percentage (66% including last season), pretty consistently over-performed expectations. It may be time to move on after this year, but he had a damn good run all things considered in the most competitive sport in college
Regionally only Texas has done less with more than Gundy, Pickens gave that man a rocket ship and he drove it like my grandpa did his golf cart around his retirement village.
 

chasepollard

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One bad season in 20 years and outside of that he has a 70% win percentage (66% including last season), pretty consistently over-performed expectations. It may be time to move on after this year, but he had a damn good run all things considered in the most competitive sport in college
How many Conference rings?

Not going to wait on an answer. It should’ve b en no less than 5. Pickens set it up, Gundy truly squandered everything.
 
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okokzach

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Regionally only Texas has done less with more than Gundy, Pickens gave that man a rocket ship and he drove it like my grandpa did his golf cart around his retirement village.
I gotta admit that's some solid imagery. I could be wrong but my impression is on average we've finished higher than our preseason ranking and higher than our recruiting rankings
How many Conference rings?

Not going to wait on an answer. It should’ve b en no less than 5. Pickens set it up, Gundy truly squandered everything.
Baylor has 3 conference rings in that time but I would prefer our last 21 years to theirs
 
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newguy123

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He is a legacy.

But, Boone Pickens and the innovative approach in which we went about things as a Program made OSU Football a household name.

If you look closely, it’s been majority under achievement since this Yurcich hire. There have been a few good years, yes! But there has not been another 2011 and Gundy is the reason why.
I’m with you but I think it’s a logic/emotion thing. Logically he’s done great - tons of bowl games and ten win seasons, outperformed several of his predecessors. Emotionally he’s under achieved and is out of touch. I can definitely see why the fanbase has been calling for his head. There’s just always some stuff that’s weird with OSU football.
 

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Recruiting rankings and competitiveness w/OU are the only knocks on Gundy until last year. We consistently outperformed our “talent” and were competitive almost every year. Recruiting can somewhat be explained by the fact we were near the bottom in recruiting budget (thanks Holder) but we also don’t know if Gundy actually asked for more $$. Last year sucked but if anyone truly believes some hotshot reached the Big XII championship, even now, and wouldn’t bolt to 15-20 other programs (including a couple in the Big12) immediately after they are delusional. I’d much rather be big xii game every 3-4 years and 9-4 the other years than win a big 12, coach leaves, start over. With that said, I’m not sure Grundy has the drive, ANYMORE
 

chasepollard

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I gotta admit that's some solid imagery. I could be wrong but my impression is on average we've finished higher than our preseason ranking and higher than our recruiting rankings

Baylor has 3 conference rings in that time but I would prefer our last 21 years to theirs
Look, when Gundy was hired AS A REQUIREMENT for Boone’s involvement and investment, OSU was being put on a path to winning Football.

It involved many moving parts that made sure we were maximizing opps. From the shoes being worn and beds being slept on, to the coaches that were hired. *look no further than the issue that Gundy didn’t go to coaches conferences and coaching talent seeking events…he didn’t have to. Surely you can admit he hired Yurcich from google searches.* There was a group of people that looked through every angle to give us our best chance at success.

It’s also no secret that Gundy was upset at the Holgy hire after his terrible performance as OC/HC in 2009. That is where the ego and personalities began to clash.

So, Holgy comes and kills it. Gundy was slighted the credit, his ego couldn’t take it. He threw a fit about the next hire (actually wanted to return himself to OC duties) but Monken was hired. That’s one of the best hires of his tenure, Knowles and Holgy are the others. The Monken hire came with the understanding that we would continue the Air Raid. Then we see our program crest in 2011.

When Monken left (who also got tons of credit instead of Gundy) the beginning of the end of our Program really took off. Do you remember the contract fights, the flirting with other jobs (and actually lying about a few of them) along with clamoring for control of HIS Program?

Enter Yurcich AND the beginning of Gundyball. That hire right there was a big middle finger to Boone, Holder and OSU. Our success was propped up by NFL talent on O for a few years…and we still couldn’t win a conference title when the two giants were in downtrends.

Gundy believed he was the smartest man in the room, he believed he should have the credit and he took everything that had been put in place to make OSU what it was and put it in the rear view.

Was it a good tenure of OSU Football? Yes! My burns come from knowing what should’ve been to seeing what is. The big rub to me, Gundy is now hurting the Wrestling Program (new world, money, etc.) as well as other sports. Football is the money maker, but it’s fallen behind because the pocket books know what has transpired over the last decade and they aren’t funding a negative investment. Do you not find it odd that Boone just faded away the last 5-6 years of his life?
 

SquinkY5786

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Recruiting rankings and competitiveness w/OU are the only knocks on Gundy until last year. We consistently outperformed our “talent” and were competitive almost every year. Recruiting can somewhat be explained by the fact we were near the bottom in recruiting budget (thanks Holder) but we also don’t know if Gundy actually asked for more $$. Last year sucked but if anyone truly believes some hotshot reached the Big XII championship, even now, and wouldn’t bolt to 15-20 other programs (including a couple in the Big12) immediately after they are delusional. I’d much rather be big xii game every 3-4 years and 9-4 the other years than win a big 12, coach leaves, start over. With that said, I’m not sure Grundy has the drive, ANYMORE
I think countless AD officials had your exact viewpoint many years ago. Thank god Boone, Holder, and TDP helped start purging it from the program.
 

SquinkY5786

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Are you sure it’s not morphing back the other way? The old way?
No. There’s a generation that has become accustomed to OSU winning and I think an expectation has been set. There are still some holdover eeyores from a time long ago who are still around. But this younger generation hasn’t known anything but competitive OSU
 

chasepollard

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No. There’s a generation that has become accustomed to OSU winning and I think an expectation has been set. There are still some holdover eeyores from a time long ago who are still around. But this younger generation hasn’t known anything but competitive OSU
There is still a significant faction that is scared of their own shadow when it comes to the NCAA and lack progressive thinking.
 

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Gundy is nowhere near the coach Pat Pop is.

And, he will leave the program where it was before his predecessor picked it up. He’s trash…,
This take and all Gundy bashers are the dumbest fans in the history of OSU sports. A level of stupid that is hard to define. Complete inability to process very simple numbers.

Gundy is not perfect. He has a ton of flaws. Made plenty of mistakes. He's also an Okie, a former OSU player who played his guts out for us, and a coach who has been here for a very long time when he didn't have to be. Perhaps it is time for him to go. His coaching success at OSU will never be duplicated. Crazy how many "fans" are not aware of how good we were for so long. At a school that has no business being that good.
 

FourCornersCowboy

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This take and all Gundy bashers are the dumbest fans in the history of OSU sports. A level of stupid that is hard to define. Complete inability to process very simple numbers.

Gundy is not perfect. He has a ton of flaws. Made plenty of mistakes. He's also an Okie, a former OSU player who played his guts out for us, and a coach who has been here for a very long time when he didn't have to be. Perhaps it is time for him to go. His coaching success at OSU will never be duplicated. Crazy how many "fans" are not aware of how good we were for so long. At a school that has no business being that good.
I’m not going to insult your intelligence…but I should.
 

chasepollard

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This take and all Gundy bashers are the dumbest fans in the history of OSU sports. A level of stupid that is hard to define. Complete inability to process very simple numbers.

Gundy is not perfect. He has a ton of flaws. Made plenty of mistakes. He's also an Okie, a former OSU player who played his guts out for us, and a coach who has been here for a very long time when he didn't have to be. Perhaps it is time for him to go. His coaching success at OSU will never be duplicated. Crazy how many "fans" are not aware of how good we were for so long. At a school that has no business being that good.
Well, you have the 100% inability to process facts.

When Gundy was hired, we were Championship hunting. Your loser mentality because we won better than we had is actually just a fundamental piece of evidence that you (and many others) are just happy with being invited to the party. I am not, and people like me are not dumb. We want to win, it all, not just better than it was.

So, if you can outline or argue any of the facts I posted, let’s go. If you just want to pine on the “numbers” that we won more than we are accustomed to, then just say that and we can move on…no big deal. I outlined facts, you point to factual numbers, neither of us are necessarily wrong, I just prefer to see what could’ve been versus what is.
 

Mr. Blonde

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I really appreciated OKC Dave's Fan Survey. The loudest voices about Gundy sure give you a different idea of where the fanbase is about him than what is true.
 

newguy123

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I mean it really boils down to whether or not “doing more with less” is good enough for OSU football. You’re in one camp or the other.

Logically, Gundy has had immense success for OSU football. He is a watershed coach.

However emotionally, it’s hard for me to buy the line, because I see how much the university and community invests in the staff, facilities, etc. Both money and energy. When you’re renovating facilities and your head coach is one of the highest paid coaches in college football, it just feels like “we get 2 star recruits to play like 4 star recruits” should no longer be your crowning achievement.
 

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SquinkY5786

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Huh? Holder was the one giving Gundy peanuts for a recruiting budget…
That recruiting budget **** was a myth. Several with information said Gundy never was handicapped by the Athletic Department. Guy had the most expensive coaching staff in the big 12. But had no money to recruit. Guy took camp finds early. And was selective on who he offered and who he gave official visits to.