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Ken Griffey Jr. - HOF Vote

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8titles_rivals270261

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Congrats to Junior on his getting voted in. He undoubtedly deserves it and was great to watch during his time in MLB. No shock he got the highest percentage of votes at 99.3 (437 out of 440) in history.

My question is, what 3 idiots didn't vote for him? My second question is how in the hell do people like Mickey Mantle, Ty Cobb, Nolan Ryan, etc not get an unanimous vote? Ridiculous.
 
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funKYcat75

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Can't speak for Mantle, et al., but I can tell you why these latest three idiots did it.

So you would know their names.
 
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gamecockcat

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Some of the voters are petulant children, that's why. How does a guy miss it for 10+ years and THEN get voted in? Did he magically get more hits and HRs? Or wins? Or championship rings? If he's not worth the first time, he's not worthy, IMO. The idea of limiting the number who can be enshrined in a single year is ridiculous. Shouldn't they just have all voters pick who they think are HOF'ers and f*** the total number each year? But only vote on a guy one time.

Heard one guy didn't vote for Schilling (mainly because he 'didn't like him') but DID vote for David Eckstein. David Eckstein. Can anyone other than a complete baseball nerd name the position Eckstein played and how many career hits he had? That's all you need to know re: your question.
 
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29er

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Probably Reds writers who only got to see Griffey Jr's Cincinnati years.
 
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CatsFanGG24

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With the way voting history has been, Jr cant have any complaints...highest HOF % ever, but probably shouldn't be.
 
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KingOfBBN

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I hate the HOF voters. The writers are sanctimonious d-bags who enjoy the power. You gotta love some nerds who never played the game or had an athletic bone in their bodies, get to decide on such things.

I also, think it's pretty stupid to keep Bonds out as well.
 
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Tskware

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Amazing to me that Griffey is now the only no.1 overall draft pick to ever make the HOF. Damn, they have been drafting for 50 years, and no other no. 1 pick ever made it before now?

He won't be the last though. Pretty good bet that Bryce Harper makes the HOF although it will be 20 years from now, but he is off to one hell of a start. A Rod and Chipper Jones should make it (even though A Rod did some roids, he probably will get in eventually). Then you got some younger guys like David Price, who is also off to a hell of a start.
 
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JonathanW_rivals

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If you didn't vote for someone like Griffey Jr or Ripken Jr, or you did vote for someone like Eckstein or Kenny Rodgers, then you should lose your voting priviledge.
 
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Ron Mehico

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Baseball writers are just one of the weirdest bunches of people I've ever heard or read about. Come across like basically massive Star Trek nerds, don't even seem or act like sports fans, but weird nerdy statistics geeks that are really uppity for some reason.
 
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Mojocat_rivals48469

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Was reading yesterday about the fairly new "Rule of 10" that the Hall now imposes on voters. You can't vote for more than 10 guys. So, people have to be a little strategic. You know, for example, that player A is getting in, but player B, who you think should be in is iffy in terms of support. So you leave player A off your ballot. Now, there are questions about that - could Griffey really slip to number 11 on someone's ballot? maybe, I don't know. But at least it's a plausible scenario - unlike, for example, years ago, when I heard Bill Conklin of the Philly paper say he didn't vote for Nolan Ryan simply because he didn't want him to get above a certain percentage vote......
 
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GrandePdre

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gamecockcat said:
Heard one guy didn't vote for Schilling (mainly because he 'didn't like him') but DID vote for David Eckstein. David Eckstein. Can anyone other than a complete baseball nerd name the position Eckstein played and how many career hits he had? That's all you need to know re: your question.
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I've known Eckstein, actually, since college. He played with my nephew at Florida, and his brother Mark is the hitting coach here at Kentucky.

I get it, and it's ********. They don't want anyone to go unanimously, because if Ruth or Mays or Aaron didn't, why should Junior. Well, Babe didn't because they were voting for 70+ years of guys at one time, and he was part of the inaugural class anyway. Aaron and Mays weren't probably because of racist white writers. The writers could've made a statement that they are above the pettiness., the judgemental snobbery, and the holier than thou attitude many have had for years. They failed again.
 
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GrandePdre

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Tskware said:
Amazing to me that Griffey is now the only no.1 overall draft pick to ever make the HOF. Damn, they have been drafting for 50 years, and no other no. 1 pick ever made it before now?

He won't be the last though. Pretty good bet that Bryce Harper makes the HOF although it will be 20 years from now, but he is off to one hell of a start. A Rod and Chipper Jones should make it (even though A Rod did some roids, he probably will get in eventually). Then you got some younger guys like David Price, who is also off to a hell of a start.
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David Price will do well to win 200 games. He needs to concentrate on having one good postseason.

Mike Trout, when he's done, whew. Stay healthy, kid. I hope I'm alive to see the stats.
 
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Kooky Kats_anon

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Baseball Writers are a truly warped cache of butthurt nerds who easily get offended when players don't suckle from their font.
 
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Tskware

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GrandePdre said:
David Price will do well to win 200 games. He needs to concentrate on having one good postseason.

Mike Trout, when he's done, whew. Stay healthy, kid. I hope I'm alive to see the stats.
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Trout was not a no. 1 pick overall, which was the point of my post, but agree that he is a hell of a player as well, and has a great start for a HOF career.
 
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I don't disagree on piazza. Probably not HOF material. It's not the Hall of Very Good. If piazza were a 1B his entire career, he'd never get a sniff.
 
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gamecockcat said:
Some of the voters are petulant children, that's why. How does a guy miss it for 10+ years and THEN get voted in? Did he magically get more hits and HRs? Or wins? Or championship rings? If he's not worth the first time, he's not worthy, IMO. The idea of limiting the number who can be enshrined in a single year is ridiculous. Shouldn't they just have all voters pick who they think are HOF'ers and f*** the total number each year? But only vote on a guy one time.

Heard one guy didn't vote for Schilling (mainly because he 'didn't like him') but DID vote for David Eckstein. David Eckstein. Can anyone other than a complete baseball nerd name the position Eckstein played and how many career hits he had? That's all you need to know re: your question.
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Eckstein was the 2006 World Series MVP...but yeah, even as a Cardinals fan it is hard to remember anything more about him. I mean I know he played SS, but that is about it.
 
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GrandePdre

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Piazza was only the greatest hitting catcher of all time.

Chipper is also a HoFer. 1995 WS Champ, 2nd most HR ever for a 3b, best slugging and OPS ever for a 3b, most RBI, 2nd most runs scored, career .303 hitter, 8-time All-Star, and 1999 NL MVP. First ballot lock next year.
 
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GrandePdre

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Tskware said:
Trout was not a no. 1 pick overall, which was the point of my post, but agree that he is a hell of a player as well, and has a great start for a HOF career.
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I knew that. My extra spacing between paragraphs meant to suggest a move off that topic. Crazy that 24 moronic picks were made before Trout that year.
 
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Wonder if my Giffery Jr. rookie cards have jumped up value?
It was poetry in motion when he was at bat.
 
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CatsFanGG24

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wildcatadam6 said:
I don't disagree on piazza. Probably not HOF material. It's not the Hall of Very Good. If piazza were a 1B his entire career, he'd never get a sniff.
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1b is easier on the body. Possible he could've put up even better #s. Best hitting catcher of all time =\= hall of very good
 
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rabidcatfan

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He deserves it!!!

I still remember trying to collect as many Griffey Jr. rookie cards as I could and pined for the near mythical $100 "Upperdeck rookie card" (along with Mark McGwires Topps Traded Team USA rookie and Jose Canseco's Donruss rookie which checked in at around $60 to $70 in Becketts back then - funny story, I picked up an Ebay lot of those Donruss rookies a few years back. Got ten of them for $8, lol).

On a side note, if you told me back in 1990 that Jose Canseco, Rafael Palmiero (sp?), Mark McGwire, Barry Bonds, and Roger Clemens would never make it to the hall of fame, I'd have called you a lunatic, but here we are...
 
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cantstandthecards

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Hall of Famers should be someone we will remember years to come.
Johnny Bench, Ted Williams,Willie Mays,Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron to name a few. Now say Mike Piazza and Chipper Jones. They don't belong with the others.
Dave Kingman hit a lot of home runs! But hes not a hall of famer.
Voters are going to start voting people in that don't belong just to make sure someone is elected each year .
 
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rabidcatfan

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LOL...Mike Piazza and Chipper Jones are BOTH names that will be remembered far down the road. Much more than say Jeff Bagwell of Craig Biggio. Piazza and Jones were phenomenal baseball players and absolutely deserve inclusion in the hall. Also, every name you listed are one of the 50 greatest baseball players ever. You're not giving those two much of a chance.

EDIT - I must add that I agree with your sentiment that they shouldn't just vote someone, anyone in just to have an inductee every year. That definitely will water down the prestige of the hall. I just think you picked the wrong two ballplayers to use as examples.
 
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wildcat1973_rivals160373

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Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, and Roger Clemens are the 3 best players of my generation. And only 1 of them is in the HOF. Bonds and Clemens are absolutely Hall of Famers, and it's ridiculous that they aren't in. Bonds was a 3 time MVP before anyone suspected him using steroids. Clemens won 3 Cy Youngs before anyone even discussed steroids. Regardless of what you think of their character, those guys are first ballot guys, and it's a joke they can't get even 50% of the vote.
 
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CatsFanGG24

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cantstandthecards said:
Hall of Famers should be someone we will remember years to come.
Johnny Bench, Ted Williams,Willie Mays,Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron to name a few. Now say Mike Piazza and Chipper Jones. They don't belong with the others.
Dave Kingman hit a lot of home runs! But hes not a hall of famer.
Voters are going to start voting people in that don't belong just to make sure someone is elected each year .
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Hell, if you would've left it at TW,WM, BABE & HANK then maybe you would have a point. Bench is a classic, probably played when you were young and you have some nostalgia attached to it, but Chipper Jones and Mike Piazza aren't too far off of him...both hit 30-40 pts higher than Bench, but also hit more dingers...both had seasons of .360+ avgs...Bench has one season above .300...they have him offensively, but he was better defensively. Guess its about what you may value...
 
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CatsFanGG24

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wildcat1973 said:
Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, and Roger Clemens are the 3 best players of my generation. And only 1 of them is in the HOF. Bonds and Clemens are absolutely Hall of Famers, and it's ridiculous that they aren't in. Bonds was a 3 time MVP before anyone suspected him using steroids. Clemens won 3 Cy Youngs before anyone even discussed steroids. Regardless of what you think of their character, those guys are first ballot guys, and it's a joke they can't get even 50% of the vote.
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If you go back and look at Bonds stats, they are unbelievable...and like you said, before steroids...dude stole 330 more bases than Jr in his career.
 
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wildcat1973_rivals160373

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Barry Bonds won 5 straight Gold Gloves from 1990-1994. He was the 2nd best defensive OF in the game, behind Griffey.

In his 3 MVP years before moving to SF, he had a WAR average (in those seasons) of 9.5. What???? That's just stupid.
 
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Tskware

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wildcat1973 said:
Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Bonds, and Roger Clemens are the 3 best players of my generation. And only 1 of them is in the HOF. Bonds and Clemens are absolutely Hall of Famers, and it's ridiculous that they aren't in. Bonds was a 3 time MVP before anyone suspected him using steroids. Clemens won 3 Cy Youngs before anyone even discussed steroids. Regardless of what you think of their character, those guys are first ballot guys, and it's a joke they can't get even 50% of the vote.
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Tend to agree with you
 
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