My buddy said he weighed 183 but still has nothing to do with my post.
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My point was, @Corby2 knows his ****. Not sure why anyone is arguing with him about this lol
Say the decent plan has a guy weighing 190 this week and he comes in at 189 corby's saying that resets the whole thing to the prior week which seems pretty strange to me. To me it would make sense the following week the guy has to be 1.5% under 190 he doesn't get credit for $189 but can still continue his plan.I will get a second opinion on this.
Otherwise as 98 guy pointed out you really can't lose 1.5%, you're always going to have to come in just a little over and I don't think that's the case so I'm going on record that Corby is wrong and you guys can all buy me a beer.
I understand you're saying a wrestler can drop 4.2% of their BW in 5 days (assuming weigh in 184.7 on NDI Day 2, and 177 5 days later) when the rules is a maximum of 1.5% BW in 7 days, without any repercussion. If so you appear to be saying the wrestler is essentially just ahead of schedule of their descent plan, and their 174lb timeline date remains unchanged.
Is this what you believe?
That's not how others seem to understand the rule. It's not how I read it. But hey, I've been wrong before.
Yeahthat was an extreme example a more realistic one to be someone a half pound more than what they're supposed to be and maybe Corby is right I don't know I've prior already drank too much.
If we meet, I'd buy you a beer, regardless.
The more I read the more I think the model is a baseline plan. And the wrestlers are primarily responsible for its execution. The coaches are responsible for feeding the system accurately. I don't believe it's strictly enforced as a hard limit.
Also, there seems to be more discussion of weight loss to Lowest Allowable Weight following a weight certification and how the descent timeline affects eligible post season weight. I think this is enforced as a hard limit.
There seems to be less discussion of other weight change tracking in season.
But, for the record, I'm still willing to try (and learn something new).
I noticed Google AI merging Texas HS rules with NCAA. Apparently the Texans require weekly weight entries for descent plans. I got AI to admit NCAA rules don't explicitly prescribe weekly weigh ins.
So it does seem the intent of the rule may largely depend on the honor system between competitions.
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If the NCAA actually cared they would have the trainer weigh guys weekly if they had no competition scheduled but they don't. My guess is it's just something to keep them from a lawsuit with the 1.5% rule.
1.5% is ridiculous.
they lose 5-10 a practice
1-2 with a piss
they lose 5-10 a practice
1-2 with a piss
If anybody can find a single NCAA violation with penalty that details how a descent plan (following a valid weight certification) was broken, I would be interested in reading it.
I can't find any.
I am left to infer that either wrestlers and schools are compliant with the intent of rules, or the process doesn't lend itself to assurance of compliance to the intent of the rules.
I can't find any.
I am left to infer that either wrestlers and schools are compliant with the intent of rules, or the process doesn't lend itself to assurance of compliance to the intent of the rules.
That's water weight and temporary. The weight certification with specific gravity of urine addresses it. And that kind of weight loss isn't sustainable for a substantial descent plan.
well, why would you break the rule if you can't compete anyway?
you can't do it. it can't happen.
Ok. Seems odd to bring it up then.
It's low and slow for a reason. Surely there is science behind it that is focused on long term health consequences.
Well, it may be true that
"The current rules are designed to make it so that a wrestler whose descent plan does not indicate they can make a certain weight on a specific date is simply ineligible to compete at that weight class, thus preventing the violation through the automated system."
So from that standpoint, it can't happen.
They did this after the kid from Michigan died doing a fast weight cut in one of those plastic suites. It was crazy what people would do back in the day.
Yeah. I remember the rubber suits and sauna in the basement wrestling room circa 1979. I'm thankful I wasn't compelled to partake in that aspect of the sport.
Was he on a descent plan? No.
Didn't he already make 184 before Thanksgiving? Yes, on 11/17 vs Lehigh.
Didn't his weight certification say 184 was well above his LAW? Obviously, yes. He wrestled 174 multiple years and wasn't growing.
I think you are convoluting weight loss as part of a descent plan (like to a LAW) with weight maintenance well above a LAW.
You experts are expert at disinformation.
^^^ project much?
You said they should weigh in weekly
. I know now that's it's a Penn St guy nothing to see here. Like I said the 1.5% rule is dumb and is only in place to protect the NCAA from lawsuits.
Yes, weigh in weekly when on a descent plan where the 1.5% limit is applied, as Texas HS does.You said they should weigh in weekly
If the NCAA actually cared guys weights would be logged daily. They don't care it's just to protect them. Losing 26 lbs in 2 weeks is way worse then a descent. Also Gabe #s probably say he's a 157.
Even logged daily there would be a wide variance allowed. The studies that form the basis of the 1.5% rule and establishing a LAW aren't extended to weight maintenance at or near a LAW.
I've found no scientific study that shows a 5% of BW short-term cut for competition at a suitable competition weight has deleterious health effects. I have found studies that say it doesn't.
Weight loss in wrestling: current state of the science
Weight loss in wrestling: current state of the science
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Here you can see 5% above competition weight is OK.
1.5% rule is dumb and is only in place to avoid a lawsuit. Most guys lose 8-10 lbs in a workout and you will say well that's water weight. And that's exactly what wrestlers do to make weight. They're not looking to walk around daily at said weight
This article identifies issues with the existing protocol.
It's is obvious that excessive in season weight fluctuation is suboptimal. Equally obvious is that nothing stops a coaching staff from monitoring weight daily or weekly, even if it's not part of NCAA compliance. Carter indicated the Coach would know.
So it's really the coach's choice. Even then what do you expect a coach to do with the information in consideration that a person's weight normally fluctuates day to day?
And don't the coaches propose rule changes, annually? So why blame the NCAA alone?
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It's is obvious that excessive in season weight fluctuation is suboptimal. Equally obvious is that nothing stops a coaching staff from monitoring weight daily or weekly, even if it's not part of NCAA compliance. Carter indicated the Coach would know.
So it's really the coach's choice. Even then what do you expect a coach to do with the information in consideration that a person's weight normally fluctuates day to day?
And don't the coaches propose rule changes, annually? So why blame the NCAA alone?
I don't care about it as much as you seem to.
Go enjoy family time it's Thanksgiving. I'm in Vegas it's 11am and time to start cooking
I said studies show no health affect from 5% loss staring 48 hrs before competition, and the guidance accounts for it when a wrestler is well-hydrated and normally walking around 5% higher than competition weight.
Wrestling Away From a Troubled Past
How one sport found its way back after the unthinkable became real.
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NCAA or Coaches?