He’s usually a top notch coach in the rankings but then when the season starts and he has to coach is when he nose dives.
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Yeah.
It’s just a baseline to help predict early season games. The model performs better in those games with it than without it.
As we play more games, the preseason ranking becomes less and less relevant.
i'm ok being at 42, We have been given good ratings for the past 10 years and then didn't live up to them. when the SEC starts we will be in the top 20 and have earned it,
Seriously, with the experience on this team, we should be a problem from the start. It takes every team some time to reach their true form and, we will get better as the season wears on. At the same time, if the hype is even close to real, we should be good from day one.
In this years SEC, that's likely a top 25 team. I think that's fair. Not the ceiling, for sure. But probably not the floor either.
Yes it usually takes nearly a half a season to come to any meaningful data.
Not a lot to go off of in a team scrimmage demo, but they do have a long way to go. It's going to take a year for everyone to truly be on the same page.
My own pet theory is that after the few transcendent players that there is little difference among the hundreds of players who fill out the ranks of Div 1 college hoops. Training, coaching, the day's events, the player's frame of mind, luck -- all of those level wins and losses out. Man o' War lost one to Upset. (Really. That was the horse's name.) Mighty Casey struck out. People with ranking systems who post pre-season predictions are just pushing their brand.
That was 28 years ago. Cal was a young, hungry coach trying to prove himself. He’s 65 years old,
been making lots of money, got fat and gets out worked by small school coaches
He’s washed up
Here's what Arkansas fans should remember about Kenpom: The week before the NCAA Tournament last year, Kentucky was 13 and Oakland was 141.
I sure hope so, one thing is for sure. I will be cheering my *** off and tuning into every game again. I watched most Cal games but after 2020 a lot of game I knew we would just lose because I’d seen it before so much.
It’s even emptier than I thought. I believe my prediction of 2k people is about right.
Man, Arkansas fans are in for a letdown. I kind of feel bad for them. Knowing that the five years before Cal will end up being way better than the five years that are starting right now.
He’s the king of running a program, until the lights shine brightest and then he forgots what to do.
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If that. You know those kids were hyped when they committed. Had visions of coming out under the lights. Big crowd cheering. All of it.
Got absolutely none of it. Got to be bummed.
People who pay attention to basketball realize KenPom needs 10-15 games worth of data before it makes any sense at all.
Most out there outside the fanbase thinks UK made a mistake (Minus Pitino), think UK has a bunch of scrubs, does not have anyone to lead the team in scoring. Thinks our bigs are not SEC bigs, our guards are not going to be able to play in the SEC.
I have no idea on that but have this to say.
Pope knows what guys he wanted, he got the guys he wanted. Pope knows how to coach (some do not believe in him yet, saying too early to tell). I think CMP will prove to guys that UK and Pope has what it takes. I think we will be top 3 or so in the SEC (if players buy into the system 100%). I believe we have some dogs, Butler, Krissa, Oweh are dogs on both sides of the ball. I believe we have guys that can get buckets, i also believe we have multiple guys (depending on the game) that can be the guy to get us a bucket.
I am tired of the preseason so called experts talk. I am tired of the wait. I want to get to the getting. GO BIG BLUE!
I have no idea on that but have this to say.
Pope knows what guys he wanted, he got the guys he wanted. Pope knows how to coach (some do not believe in him yet, saying too early to tell). I think CMP will prove to guys that UK and Pope has what it takes. I think we will be top 3 or so in the SEC (if players buy into the system 100%). I believe we have some dogs, Butler, Krissa, Oweh are dogs on both sides of the ball. I believe we have guys that can get buckets, i also believe we have multiple guys (depending on the game) that can be the guy to get us a bucket.
I am tired of the preseason so called experts talk. I am tired of the wait. I want to get to the getting. GO BIG BLUE!
Upsets happen in a random tournament. Bill Self has nine 1st and 2nd round exits. Jay Wright had two 1st round and two 2nd round exits with no tournament in between.
It’s been a little underwhelming for sure but by some of the posts you’d think he was making the NIT every year.
lol. In the past four seasons he had the TWO worst NCAA tournament losses by Kentucky in program history AND the worst season by a Kentucky team since before WW 2. The other year he choked away a highly winnable game to Kansas State. One NCAA tournament win in five years. And no SEC tournament success.
A little underwhelming? That’s like saying the passengers on the Titanic were a little disappointed in the service. Or Custer was a little annoyed by the Indians.
He has been a historic failure. At least by Kentucky standards. I realize that Arkansas is used to mediocrity and more accepting of it.
New poster from April 8th 2024. Cow left UK the 9th (announced) did Cow get rid of his dog about then or trade it in for a piglet? 8 posts so I guess the piglet is greased... Just hasn't had time to post much I guess...
I think we have some pre-season rankings banners in the basement of Rupp. I think they're behind the ''NCAA recruiting champions'' banners, though. I'm sure we could fit some of yall's in there too. If Bud Walton overflows with them.
Both guys you mentioned also have twice the titles that Cal has, with about 1/5th the talent.
I knew you’d come around some day. It’s like Neo waking up from his human battery goo pod in the Matrix yall. Happy for you bro.
“Taking a deeper dive into KenPom’s take on the Cats, there isn’t really much to love. The analytics predict Kentucky to finish 18-13 on the year and 8-10 in the SEC, picked to lose against Duke (neutral), Clemson (road), Gonzaga (neutral), Ohio State (neutral), Georgia (away), Mississippi State (away), Texas A&M (home), Alabama (home), Tennessee (away), Ole Miss (away), Tennessee (home), Texas (away), Alabama (away), Oklahoma (away) and Missouri (away).
On the flip side, KenPom does predict a win over Arkansas on Feb. 1 inside Rupp Arena. Besides that, though, it’s a projected loss in every potential toss-up game on the schedule.”
On the flip side, KenPom does predict a win over Arkansas on Feb. 1 inside Rupp Arena. Besides that, though, it’s a projected loss in every potential toss-up game on the schedule.”
Yeah, the rankings take into account last year's data at this point. It slowly fades out, I believe until somewhere around early to mid January, then it's based solely on the current year.
So right now the current Kenpom rankings mean literally nothing.
I saw a graphic comparing the last five years of Musselman to Cal . Musselman was the easy winner . And Cal was at Kentucky while Musselman was at Arkansas. Mad they think they have upgraded, lol .
Brad will be more than ready to take over by then . “Earned not given !”
This is the most pessimistic possible take. Conference will be tough but to say we lose every big OOC game is BS. We could easily make it through the OOC only losing 2 or fewer of those games and I say a max of 6 conference losses. Projecting a loss in every toss up would seem to show bias or an issue with the numbers in my book.