Kent State Recap

Bison13

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I thought for sure that once they got the first down at the one they would take three knees and end up with 710 yards and lose the record
 

bdgan

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Here's my recap:
  1. That game should have never been played
  2. In the old days we would have taken a knee to run out the clock
 

PSUSignore

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Here's my recap:
  1. That game should have never been played
  2. In the old days we would have taken a knee to run out the clock
The old days are gone. The eye test and MOV matter, even if subconsciously for the committee members. I have no issue with letting the 2nd and 3rd string run with the full playbook to gain valuable game reps. If the opponent's first team defense doesn't like it, they can stop it.
 

CVLion

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The old days are gone. The eye test and MOV matter, even if subconsciously for the committee members. I have no issue with letting the 2nd and 3rd string run with the full playbook to gain valuable game reps. If the opponent's first team defense doesn't like it, they can stop it.

Agree completely. Like it or not, it’s what is necessary today.

Plus, I recall all of the following from the old days:
- Putting up 81 against Cincy in 1991
- Putting up 66 against Temple in 1995
- Indiana-ing ourselves outta the MNC in 1994 with a closer-looking-than-it-shoulda-been score

So I am completely at peace with this.
 

Erial_Lion

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The old days are gone. The eye test and MOV matter, even if subconsciously for the committee members. I have no issue with letting the 2nd and 3rd string run with the full playbook to gain valuable game reps. If the opponent's first team defense doesn't like it, they can stop it.
You’re overvaluing how much it matters whether we beat the worst team in 1A by 49 or 56, or that the “eye test” cares if our 4th string RB or backup QB can punch an extra one in late.

I would have loved a knee, but it’s just not Franklin’s MO (and it is what it is).
 
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CVLion

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You’re overvaluing how much it matters whether we beat the worst team in 1A by 49 or 56, or that the “eye test” cares if our 4th string RB or backup QB can punch an extra one in late.

I would have loved a knee, but it’s just not Franklin’s MO (and it is what it is).
While I generally would agree with your point about the differential value of one more touchdown in this situation, I think this is more the prevailing college football MO at this point more so than Franklin’s in particular — and that out of necessity.

Let’s not forget that Tennessee, who is ranked above us, still beat Kent State by 15 more than we did. Suppose it works out at the end of the season that we’re neck-and-neck with Tennessee for a final playoff spot, with most aspects of our records being equivalent. Who do you think would get in? That notion leaves me far less enamored with the sporting “take a knee” approach than I was back in the days of JoePa.

Also, how often does a team in the 21st century get to break a record for a program that has been playing ball since the late 1800s — with record itself being nearly a century old? I feel good for the guys, having this feather in their cap.
 
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psuro

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Here's my recap:
  1. That game should have never been played
  2. In the old days we would have taken a knee to run out the clock
I understand your point #2, but explain your point #1 to me. Why should it :never have been played'? The game was scheduled a while ago.
 

Nittany1865Farmer

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I understand your point #2, but explain your point #1 to me. Why should it :never have been played'? The game was scheduled a while ago.
That # 1 carries the risk with any team in college football. With games scheduled years out ahead, a team that is "good' now could be dog crap by the time we play them. For example, Miami was the marque match game for any team in the eighties through 2000's. Now it is only very recently that it is becoming attractive again. It's a gamble when making schedules on how good a certain is going to be so far into the future.
 
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Erial_Lion

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While I generally would agree with your point about the differential value of one more touchdown in this situation, I think this is more the prevailing college football MO at this point more so than Franklin’s in particular — and that out of necessity.

Let’s not forget that Tennessee, who is ranked above us, still beat Kent State by 15 more than we did. Suppose it works out at the end of the season that we’re neck-and-neck with Tennessee for a final playoff spot, with most aspects of our records being equivalent. Who do you think would get in?
The team that will get in will be the one with the more impressive wins in big games, the one with the better losses, the one with the better Strength of Schedule, the one that seems to be playing better down the stretch, etc. I can assure you that it won't come down to "hey, which team's 3rd string ran it up more against a potentially historically bad Kent State team in mid-September".
 

BobPSU92

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The team that will get in will be the one with the more impressive wins in big games, the one with the better losses, the one with the better Strength of Schedule, the one that seems to be playing better down the stretch, etc. I can assure you that it won't come down to "hey, which team's 3rd string ran it up more against a potentially historically bad Kent State team in mid-September".

Franklin needs to make sure that we lose good.

😞
 

Bob78

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Just home from a trip... anyone know when the 60 minute replay on BTN will be shown? Haven't found it on the on-screen guide. Thanks.
 

psuro

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Just home from a trip... anyone know when the 60 minute replay on BTN will be shown? Haven't found it on the on-screen guide. Thanks.
Here you are, my friend...hope you had a nice trip...I think the 9 PM is today (EST)

9:00pm
B1G Football in 60: Kent State at Penn State - 9/21/24 Not Rated
Snap-to-snap 60-minute presentation of a Big Ten football game.
This show will also reair:
  • Sep. 24, 2024 3:00am
  • Sep. 25, 2024 11:00am
 
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Alphalion75

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The old days are gone. The eye test and MOV matter, even if subconsciously for the committee members. I have no issue with letting the 2nd and 3rd string run with the full playbook to gain valuable game reps. If the opponent's first team defense doesn't like it, they can stop it.
I agree 100%. This is the world we live in. Doing the 'gentlemanly' thing will not get you any style points. When college football was just a game, doing the gentlemanly thing was appropriate and expected. It's no longer just a game. It's a business with tons of money at play. With that being said, it's certainly up for debate if college football's evolution has has been for the better or not. It certainly is better for the participants. I believe you would get some push back from some fans if it's a better game or not. It all depends on how much you put a premium on civility.
 
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Bob78

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Here you are, my friend...hope you had a nice trip...I think the 9 PM is today (EST)

9:00pm
B1G Football in 60: Kent State at Penn State - 9/21/24 Not Rated
Snap-to-snap 60-minute presentation of a Big Ten football game.
This show will also reair:
  • Sep. 24, 2024 3:00am
  • Sep. 25, 2024 11:00am
Thank you, Ro.
 

manatree

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That # 1 carries the risk with any team in college football. With games scheduled years out ahead, a team that is "good' now could be dog crap by the time we play them. For example, Miami was the marque match game for any team in the eighties through 2000's. Now it is only very recently that it is becoming attractive again. It's a gamble when making schedules on how good a certain is going to be so far into the future.
To a point, yes. But to compare an ACC or BigEast program to that of a MAC program is disengenous.

As for Kent State, this was a rescheduling of the 2020 game that was cancelled. Now, I don't know when the original 2020 game was signed, but they have only had five seasons above .500 in the last forty years and one of them was 2020 when they went 3-1 in a shortened MAC season. Scheduling a historically bad MAC team is not a big risk.
 

Bob78

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While I generally would agree with your point about the differential value of one more touchdown in this situation, I think this is more the prevailing college football MO at this point more so than Franklin’s in particular — and that out of necessity.

Let’s not forget that Tennessee, who is ranked above us, still beat Kent State by 15 more than we did. Suppose it works out at the end of the season that we’re neck-and-neck with Tennessee for a final playoff spot, with most aspects of our records being equivalent. Who do you think would get in? That notion leaves me far less enamored with the sporting “take a knee” approach than I was back in the days of JoePa.

Also, how often does a team in the 21st century get to break a record for a program that has been playing ball since the late 1800s — with record itself being nearly a century old? I feel good for the guys, having this feather in their cap.
This has become my way of thinking about that situation as well. I have no beef with Franklin or any coach over scoring late with reserves on the field.

If the game is against a similar-strength or most any conference opponent, and we're up by 10 or more with the final seconds ticking away, and with the majority of the starters still in the game, take a knee.

Blowouts, when you're trying to get valuable and rewarding playing time for 2nd team and deep reserves, keep playing to the game plan and run the plays from it. If we score, we score. If they stop us, good for them. But no one on the 2nd and 3rd teams learns anything from taking a knee with 40 seconds to play. Especially vs a Kent State, when mamas and papas of those deep reserves have a real chance to see their kids play. Let 'em play football. I'm guessing the deep reserves on the other side want to play real football too with their rare shot to get in the game.
 
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Bob78

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To a point, yes. But to compare an ACC or BigEast program to that of a MAC program is disengenous.

As for Kent State, this was a rescheduling of the 2020 game that was cancelled. Now, I don't know when the original 2020 game was signed, but they have only had five seasons above .500 in the last forty years and one of them was 2020 when they went 3-1 in a shortened MAC season. Scheduling a historically bad MAC team is not a big risk.
Plus, the B1G as a whole has a very long history of scheduling at least 1 and often 2 MAC teams as their OOC opponents year after year. I think I read years ago there was a sort of non-contractual understanding that both conferences wanted to do that, as it made sense from a travel and local interest perspective.
Every now and then one of the MACs rises up and conquers a B1G, which was likely not part of the non-contractual understanding!