Kentucky defensive turnaround impressive

merrimanm

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And the excuses will continue next year. 85 out of 100 years of excuses. I am done with all the reasons we suck. I'd like a reason we are successful.
Excuse?? That is reality. Unlike your comment that he has had 5 recruiting classes.
 

DelkBowl

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We scored more points against that perennial bottom feeder than UF,so put that in your pipe and smoke it, dumbass!
Well I guess beating bad teams is good and loosing to good teams is good. Yay go team. Sorry but I was done with excuses 15 years ago. What did Florida do to us? I guess you'll be cheering if ul only beats us by 30.
 

DelkBowl

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4th? This is season 4. With the first cobbled together in a few weeks.

As far as beating Vandy, we are also a perennial bottom feeder. We're now one game up on them in the all time series.
Now that's impressive.
 

DelkBowl

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3, even if you count the first one (which most people.with a brain would not). His 4th class are still hs seniors right now and we don't know who is going to be apart of it yet.
It counts although you want to give him a pass on it. He still coached those guys. It's okay if you like the direction of the program. I just don't.
 

merrimanm

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It counts although you want to give him a pass on it. He still coached those guys. It's okay if you like the direction of the program. I just don't.
Oh I know to the ones who want him fired it will count. BUT people who really uderstand the dynamics of recruiting wouldn't hold that against him.
 
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merrimanm

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It counts although you want to give him a pass on it. He still coached those guys. It's okay if you like the direction of the program. I just don't.
And by the way, he coached many of Joker's recruits too. They were not SEC material and no coach could make them that way. That is why recruiting is so important.
 
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ScrewDuke1

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Agreed , I think the bye week will be huge for Steven Johnson also. The extra practice time will be valuable.
I almost wonder if Stephen Johnson is hurt. Albeit easier defenses, he passed the ball pretty well against USC and NMST. He took some nasty shots against Bama, wonder if he took a shot that hurt him a bit in that game.
 

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Interesting "drive analysis" over the past few games. FWIW, I still tend to look at yards allowed (in several different contexts) when attempting to evaluate defense overall

Vandy offense is presently ranked #126 averaging 299 YPG. UK held them to 282 (17 under average)
AL offense is presently ranked #24 averaging 490 YPG. UK held them to 488 (2 under average)
SC offense is presently ranked #125 averaging 302 YPG. UK held them to 268 (34 under average)

USM offense is presently ranked #7 averaging 532 YPG. UK held them to 520 (12 under average)
FL offense is presently ranked #72 averaging 407 YPG. UK held them to 564 (157 over average)
NMSU offense is presently ranked #46 averaging 438 YPG. UK held them to 500 (62 over average)

So 2 of those "turnaround" defensive performances have come against 2 of the 4 most anemic offense in FBS football. That said, I agree the defense has "looked" better the last few weeks, especially in the front 7.

MSU is certainly not an offensive powerhouse but apparently a real step up from Vandy and SC. They are ranked #75 in total offense averaging 405 YPG however only #92 in scoring at 26 PPG (just a point more than the Cats). So even with these defensive improvements over the last few games the Cats will likely need more from their offense (43 points in last 3 games) to stop the losing streak to MSU.

I was at the Vandy game and did not see Elam in the game. Was that true? Regardless, the DL play looks much better without him. MSU now takes its place as "the most important game of the year".

Peace
 

Soupbean

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I tend to just look and see if defense looks better Wild and glad you (in a long passive aggressive way) agree :smiley:
 

Beatle Bum

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Don't know the intricacies of FB including defense. If the scoop on Eliot, that he's the weak link, is correct then Stoops comments in the CJ this am have to be disappointing. He is backing Eliot all the way.

Or Stoops is right and this new relationship is working well. Gran and Hinshaw have the same method. Maybe Stoops needed to be more involved on the field all along.
 

Beatle Bum

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I do not believe Barker is the answer at QB. He's done nothing to show that. Johnson may have more promise in the big picture.

I totally agree with you that our D has turned around big time. That is really impressive because I think Stoops is playing with very little depth on defense without Hatcher, Tubman, Meant, etc.

I was told Barker aggravated his back against S Miss. that means that he was healthy for a little more than one-half of a football game. I would be inclined to hold off conclusions based upon that data.
 

Beatle Bum

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Interesting "drive analysis" over the past few games. FWIW, I still tend to look at yards allowed (in several different contexts) when attempting to evaluate defense overall

Vandy offense is presently ranked #126 averaging 299 YPG. UK held them to 282 (17 under average)
AL offense is presently ranked #24 averaging 490 YPG. UK held them to 488 (2 under average)
SC offense is presently ranked #125 averaging 302 YPG. UK held them to 268 (34 under average)

USM offense is presently ranked #7 averaging 532 YPG. UK held them to 520 (12 under average)
FL offense is presently ranked #72 averaging 407 YPG. UK held them to 564 (157 over average)
NMSU offense is presently ranked #46 averaging 438 YPG. UK held them to 500 (62 over average)

So 2 of those "turnaround" defensive performances have come against 2 of the 4 most anemic offense in FBS football. That said, I agree the defense has "looked" better the last few weeks, especially in the front 7.

MSU is certainly not an offensive powerhouse but apparently a real step up from Vandy and SC. They are ranked #75 in total offense averaging 405 YPG however only #92 in scoring at 26 PPG (just a point more than the Cats). So even with these defensive improvements over the last few games the Cats will likely need more from their offense (43 points in last 3 games) to stop the losing streak to MSU.

I was at the Vandy game and did not see Elam in the game. Was that true? Regardless, the DL play looks much better without him. MSU now takes its place as "the most important game of the year".

Peace


UK played Vandy and USC as you would expect a good defense to play those teams. Bad defenses give bad offenses career days and let teams get healthy. UK is not doing that, any more.
 
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WildcatofNati

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3, even if you count the first one (which most people.with a brain would not). His 4th class are still hs seniors right now and we don't know who is going to be apart of it yet.
It's actually 4, if you count the first one. 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016. Since most of our freshman are redshirting, he's only had 2 full ones, with players that are actually playing throughout the class.
 
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merrimanm

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It's actually 4, if you count the first one. 2013, 2014, 2015, and 2016. Since most of our freshman are redshirting, he's only had 2 full ones, with players that are actually playing throughout the class.
That's what I was referring to. I just didn't state it very well.
 

DelkBowl

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Oh I know to the ones who want him fired it will count. BUT people who really uderstand the dynamics of recruiting wouldn't hold that against him.
I understand we still look like most years. That's what I don't care for. Maybe you like it but not me.
 

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UK played Vandy and USC as you would expect a good defense to play those teams. Bad defenses give bad offenses career days and let teams get healthy. UK is not doing that, any more.
Well, I suppose that is another way to look at it. [winking]

Peace
 

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5th recruiting class and they barely beat perineal bottom feeder. Don't get too excited yet. Being happy beating 5-6 bad teams just doesn't do it for me. I want real success.
Perennial, or perineal? The latter is funnier, though not, I think, what you meant. Autocorrect get you? Did you mean to do it? If so, funnier still... you very punny.
 

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I was told Barker aggravated his back against S Miss. that means that he was healthy for a little more than one-half of a football game. I would be inclined to hold off conclusions based upon that data.

I have seen nothing from Barker that impresses me......I know he hasn't played much, but so far I don't see anything. Another Towles bust so far.....

I'll take Johnson so far over Barker. At least he is not a deer in headlights.
 
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I almost wonder if Stephen Johnson is hurt. Albeit easier defenses, he passed the ball pretty well against USC and NMST. He took some nasty shots against Bama, wonder if he took a shot that hurt him a bit in that game.

He's a guy who didn't have other options out of JUCO and got to JUCO by losing a QB competition and transferring out of a middling FCS team. He can improve but I think the NMST game is the outlier, not what you've seen lately. Strong winds hurt against Vandy but he is what he is.
 

Beatle Bum

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I have seen nothing from Barker that impresses me......I know he hasn't played much, but so far I don't see anything. Another Towles bust so far.....

I'll take Johnson so far over Barker. At least he is not a deer in headlights.

If the first half of Southern Miss did not impress, it may be impossible to impress.
 
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megablue

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Clearly, Johnson made some bad throws in the Vandy game to open receivers, but many times the receivers weren't open. Although he probably shouldn't have thrown some of the passes in tight coverage, I thought Vandy's secondary was better than ours. I sense our wide receivers are letting down a little because of the success we've had in the run game. Plus, they're going up against SEC defensive backs now, which makes a huge difference.

Johnson stepped up and seemed to make all the winning plays necessary with his feet, when he had to. If he can pull his passing game up to anywhere near the level of the NMS game, combined with our running game, we can have a pretty strong, ball control, offense. I think 200 yards passing is a reasonable goal for each game, because it appears our run game is becoming consistent. Clearly, defenses are going to gear up to stop the run, so Johnson needs to be effective through the air. He simply has to be .....
 
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maysvilleky

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I do not believe Barker is the answer at QB. He's done nothing to show that. Johnson may have more promise in the big picture.

I totally agree with you that our D has turned around big time. That is really impressive because I think Stoops is playing with very little depth on defense without Hatcher, Tubman, Meant, etc.

I agree about Barker...At least Johnson made some plays with his legs. I'm not sure Barker would have made those but maybe he hits a few of the passes. I think it all depends on how antsy Barker would be in the pocket and whether he can develop some timing with the receivers (including Conrad).

I still have a concern about depth on the DL. I think the LBs have been playing MUCH better, need the DBs to step it up some more IMO. I do think making the stop at the end will provide confidence for the defense. I think there may still have been memories of failures rather than successes, so the stop could be huge going forward.
 

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And the excuses will continue next year. 85 out of 100 years of excuses. I am done with all the reasons we suck. I'd like a reason we are successful.

I try to stay out of these "back and forths," but facts aren't excuses. What he said is fairly accurate (Stoops' first class was put together in more than 2 weeks,; ore like 2 months, but the point is valid IMO).