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Kerry Collins vs Every OSU QB

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1995PSUGrad

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fastlax16 said:
Lots of handwringing about how our QBs don't have meaningful NFL careers, and that its a big reason why we haven't been able to get over the hump.

This season is over and we compare ourselves to OSU for better or worse, so (while meaningless) I thought it'd be entertaining to do a little comparison. Kerry Collins vs all 22 OSU QBs that have ever been drafted. I would like to note that Don Scott joined the Army and was killed in WW2 in 1943.

StartsCompletionsYardsTouchdownsPlayoff Starts
Don Scott (41)00000
Les Horvath (43)00000
Dave Leggett (55)00000
Frank Kremblas (59)00000
Rex Kern (71)00000
Ron Maciejowski (71)00000
Greg Hare (74)00000
Cornelus Greene (76)00000
Art Schlichter (82)691100630
Jim Karsatos (87)00000
Kent Graham (92)386947801390
Bob Hoying (96)132442544110
Joe Germain (99)0913610
Steve Bellisari (02)00000
Craig Krenzel (04)55971830
Troy Smith (07)8121173480
Terrelle Pryor (11)10175199490
Cardale Jones (16)069600
Dwayne Haskins (19)132672804120
Justin Fields (21)507708625490
CJ Stroud (23)387809140524
Will Howard (25)00000
OSU Combined1813216365981874
Collins (95)1913657431352207

Collins has more starts, playoff starts, completions, yards and touchdowns than all 22 OSU QBs combined. Take from this what you will.
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Great post! I was a friend/acquaintance/drinking buddy of Kerry's back at PSU. I was ecstatic when he was drafted by Carolina as I was moving to Carolina and it gave me a great reason to pull for the home team.

Nobody down here ever wants to listen to me when I talk about how good his NFL career was. These stats help to back that up.

The reason for the love of Fields and Stroud is because they are more recent and both showed flashes of greatness, although it seems both are now struggling and not living up to the expectations that were set for them early on in their careers.
 
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Blair10 said:
I would say forget focusing on the NFL.

The problem with Penn State‘s QBs historically, is that the football program has produced less than 5 QBs who have had at least one great year in college.

In no particular order, starting 1973 (year I started following PSU) the pantheon of Penn State QBs are:
Kerry Collins, Trace McSorley, Todd Blackledge, and Chuck Fusina.

All these guys played outstanding football and made a huge impact on their team.

Every other Penn State QB was average, below average, or just forgettable.

So, overall Penn State has a terrible track record producing great college QBs.
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I don't think we should forget about focusing on the NFL. When a college program shows the ability to elevate a position group to the NFL consistently it helps in the recruiting of that position group. (e.g. Linebacker U)

I do think that many Penn State quarterbacks were put into a system that didn't prepare them for the NFL and some were limited by their positional talent. McGloin starred at Penn State but he was never going to be a good NFL quarterback. I think the same could be said for a number of other quarterbacks that we had Shaffer, Clark, McSorley, Robinson-I am sure there are others. I am not knocking those players and I was a huge fan of the last two mentioned. They were just not talented enough to play quarterback in the NFL. McSorley tried over and over again, so I don't think it was the coach or the system; Robinson got converted to fullback, so clearly it wasn't a lack of athletic ability.
 
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ChiefJusticeMarshall said:
Hence "last 30 years". Let's face it, that was a loaded offense. Kijana at RB. Milne and Witman at FB. Brady at TE. Engram, Freddie Scott and Jurevicious at WR. Hartings, Johnson, Rivera and Conlin on the OL. That's a lot of NFL talent right there.
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Collins was still the best QB we've had. No one since has been close.
 
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barry j fenchak

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JerseyLion said:
I agree there. Just did not know why you were throwing shade at Collins.
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Seems like most fans here want water cooler bragging rights more than anything. Those are gone for a few years but some will grasp at ANYTHING. Wrestling dynasty (no one gives a flying phuck), video team, any award (not gonna get one football related) whatever .....

Pathetic

PS has NEVER been a football dynasty and given today's landscape, never will be. The last natty was 40 years ago.

Stick with that "good ambassador" metric though. That will be the key for the next hire. Along with preserving "Success with honor"
 
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Blair10 said:
I am not diminishing the intangible skills like leadership. The reality is that most top player lists in football focus on the tangible skills on the field.

Sean Clifford had great leadership. John Shaffer had great leadership. However, neither one of these guys were considered great college QBs.
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The other thing I'd say about Robinson and talent/leadership...when we were trying to use him at QB earlier in his career and he was throwing to Mark Rubin, Kinta Palmer, Gerald Phillips, etc, the leadership didn't really show through. When he was throwing to D Will, Butler, Norwood and King, he was seen as a great leader.
 
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22-0 as a starter and nobody remembers the QB who led Joe's first two undefeated teams?
 
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fastlax16 said:
That was the point. There is no correlation between college success and NFL success.
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It felt like the point you were trying to make is "why go to o-state when you should go to PSU because KC had some modest success in the NFL 30+ years ago..." When in all likelihood none of these current kids even know who KC was or what he accomplished in 1994. Everything now is on a 15 min cycle. Good luck getting a recruit to look at historical numbers based on NFL success 30+ years ago
 
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Imagine if Joe didn't have to appease the Sacca family and could have actually started him when he was a sophomore.
 
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barry j fenchak

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JVP_Yahweh said:
It felt like the point you were trying to make is "why go to o-state when you should go to PSU because KC had some modest success in the NFL 30+ years ago..." When in all likelihood none of these current kids even know who KC was or what he accomplished in 1994. Everything now is on a 15 min cycle. Good luck getting a recruit to look at historical numbers based on NFL success
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Like they have an interest in ancient history.
 
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The one thing we are missing is what kind of football team PSU had been under Paterno's long tenure. It wasn't "basketball on turf." He played defense, worked for field position, and wanted a ball control offense. A stud QB really wasn't needed. PSU won two championships with Blackledge and Schaffer. Tampa won a Superbowl with Brad Johnson and Baltimore with Trent Dilfer.
 
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JVP_Yahweh said:
It felt like the point you were trying to make is "why go to o-state when you should go to PSU because KC had some modest success in the NFL 30+ years ago..." When in all likelihood none of these current kids even know who KC was or what he accomplished in 1994. Everything now is on a 15 min cycle. Good luck getting a recruit to look at historical numbers based on NFL success 30+ years ago
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No it was you can be an incredibly successful program without producing multiple pro-bowl qbs in rapid succession. There are people saying our problem is that we are not QBu. OSU sure isn't QBu. Neither is Georgia.

That said almost all of Collins' NFL success is within the last 30 years. 31 years ago was 1994.
 
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fastlax16 said:
No it was you can be an incredibly successful program without producing multiple pro-bowl qbs in rapid succession. There are people saying our problem is that we are not QBu. OSU sure isn't QBu. Neither is Georgia.
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Preseason had most fans believing we were RBU, TEU and QBU among others. That foolishness has been revealed. We are now JOKEU and will be for the forseeable future.

But Saban will not be able to resist the amazing allure of Happy Valley. He will save us.
 
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