Ketogenic diet

[TransyCat09]

Keto or low carb has certain health benefits for everyone. But, if you're already in shape, no, you probably don't need to eat fewer than 20 carbs a day.

But for people who are 20+lbs overweight and either need a strict diet to keep them in line or want to drop the most weight the fastest, it is probably the best option. I also wouldn't classify it as a "fad" diet in that there is pretty basic science behind it and it doesn't require bizarre formulas or proprietary food/shakes. It's very straightforward

 

[elwood_blue]

[laughing]lol holy **** you've lost weight on this diet?! You being sarcastic? wtf how could you possibly lose weight eating that garbage. I can only imagine myself eating a bacon sausage spam dish then drinking some heavy cream and then falling into a coma.

I know right?? [laughing]
I swear to God, it works! Eating almost no carbs, and making fat 70% of my diet makes my body stay in ketosis, thereby burning fat for energy, including the pounds of fat I've lost. There are numerous other positives with this diet. It's the least punitive "diet" I've been on Ron. We've been lied to our entire lives about how fat is the devil. It's the carbs man.

 

[elwood_blue]

I'm drinking a metric **** ton (literally, I weighed it before drinking) of beer tonight and am currently on #9.

Does this follow the ketogenic diet? TIA.

I have 6 pack abs still. Moderation. Don't drink beer all the time but 9-20 on Friday and Saturday is ok.

Right?







Right?

If that works for you then more power to you bro. I wish I had your metabolism, haha.

 

[TransyCat09]

You mean the basic physiologic understanding that the order in which the human body burns energy is carbs (quick energy) first, then fats, then proteins... meaning the fewer carbs you eat the quicker your body starts to burn fat for energy usage?

Yep. Pretty easy to explain to just about everyone.

 

[MegaBlue05]

I tried the ketamine diet once in 1999 or so.

Lost a little weight and a whole lot of time.

 

[catholic_back]

I mean.... not really.

But guh'head and hit us up with a 2,000 word novel on the properties of which diet, activity, genetics, research, testing, job, environmental factors, and socioeconomic status play in losing weight. Break it down as scientifically as possible. Make sure to include all sources in alphanumerical order also so we can keep up with em and back check, doc. We's dumbs. We know.

False.

 

[IdaCat]

working out keeps me from killing people, honestly. Quite the healthy mental escape.

Killing people is more fun.

 

[WettCat]

Different perspective:

Distance freestyler in high school and college so I ate anything and everything I wanted, heavy exercise in my 20's that kept the weight off. But I had terrible eating habits. Quit working out in early 30's and basically gained 4-5 lbs. a year. Now in mid 50's and extremely overweight. (25 years X 5 lbs.---do the math.) The heavy workouts aren't an option as it would probably trigger a heart attack at this point and/or ankles/knees/hip problems.

Started with South Beach which is basically a different version of Atkins/Keto/etc. Initial goal is to drop 20-30 lbs. while starting up moderate exercise, don't want to cause any muscle/tendon issues. The more the weight drops, the more exercise my body should be able to take. At my weight, it's actually pretty easy to drop the first 30 lbs., (I'm almost there.)

Today will be first day to get out and get moving. Focusing on keeping it light and building up slowly.

Two comments:
1. Don't EVER get out of shape. Even if you aren't training for marathons, keep moving. Walking, riding, whatever. Just F'ing move.

2. Virtually every "diet" or exercise routine is typically proposed by someone in at least moderate shape. You see very little proposing and promoting life style changes for those who are morbidly obese. What I've seen mentioned earlier this this thread, for the most part, would put me in the hospital. It's also a much longer timetable to get to a goal weight. It's one thing to do a Keto diet for 3-4 months and lose 20 lbs. For someone morbidly obese it may take years...which is psychologically daunting, much easier to just give up thinking it's hopeless.

I'm trying to set 25lb. benchmarks every 3 months. Short term goals with overall ambition to lose 125lbs. Try not to think about losing the entire amount cause I'd probably just give up thinking it's unobtainable.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Good luck to you Wettcat! Also can't even begin to describe how jealous I am of Jason. At one point in my life I was playing 2hrs of full court bball 6 days a week and was easily in best shape of my life. I firmly believe basketball is the best cardio exercise there is, wish I could still do that.

 

[TransyCat09]

Different perspective:

Distance freestyler in high school and college so I ate anything and everything I wanted, heavy exercise in my 20's that kept the weight off. But I had terrible eating habits. Quit working out in early 30's and basically gained 4-5 lbs. a year. Now in mid 50's and extremely overweight. (25 years X 5 lbs.---do the math.) The heavy workouts aren't an option as it would probably trigger a heart attack at this point and/or ankles/knees/hip problems.

Started with South Beach which is basically a different version of Atkins/Keto/etc. Initial goal is to drop 20-30 lbs. while starting up moderate exercise, don't want to cause any muscle/tendon issues. The more the weight drops, the more exercise my body should be able to take. At my weight, it's actually pretty easy to drop the first 30 lbs., (I'm almost there.)

Today will be first day to get out and get moving. Focusing on keeping it light and building up slowly.

Two comments:
1. Don't EVER get out of shape. Even if you aren't training for marathons, keep moving. Walking, riding, whatever. Just F'ing move.

2. Virtually every "diet" or exercise routine is typically proposed by someone in at least moderate shape. You see very little proposing and promoting life style changes for those who are morbidly obese. What I've seen mentioned earlier this this thread, for the most part, would put me in the hospital. It's also a much longer timetable to get to a goal weight. It's one thing to do a Keto diet for 3-4 months and lose 20 lbs. For someone morbidly obese it may take years...which is psychologically daunting, much easier to just give up thinking it's hopeless.

I'm trying to set 25lb. benchmarks every 3 months. Short term goals with overall ambition to lose 125lbs. Try not to think about losing the entire amount cause I'd probably just give up thinking it's unobtainable.

Good luck Wett!

I should have mentioned this, you will lose more than 25 lbs in 30 months. I think it's reasonable to expect you could lose 60+lbs in that time frame. Whatever you choose, I hope it works

 

[Hank Camacho]

I snapped this picture on a hike through the Smokey Mtns last fall.

I thought Trae Young was going to Kansas.

 

[Get Buckets]

Different perspective:

Distance freestyler in high school and college so I ate anything and everything I wanted, heavy exercise in my 20's that kept the weight off. But I had terrible eating habits. Quit working out in early 30's and basically gained 4-5 lbs. a year. Now in mid 50's and extremely overweight. (25 years X 5 lbs.---do the math.) The heavy workouts aren't an option as it would probably trigger a heart attack at this point and/or ankles/knees/hip problems.

Started with South Beach which is basically a different version of Atkins/Keto/etc. Initial goal is to drop 20-30 lbs. while starting up moderate exercise, don't want to cause any muscle/tendon issues. The more the weight drops, the more exercise my body should be able to take. At my weight, it's actually pretty easy to drop the first 30 lbs., (I'm almost there.)

Today will be first day to get out and get moving. Focusing on keeping it light and building up slowly.

Two comments:
1. Don't EVER get out of shape. Even if you aren't training for marathons, keep moving. Walking, riding, whatever. Just F'ing move.

2. Virtually every "diet" or exercise routine is typically proposed by someone in at least moderate shape. You see very little proposing and promoting life style changes for those who are morbidly obese. What I've seen mentioned earlier this this thread, for the most part, would put me in the hospital. It's also a much longer timetable to get to a goal weight. It's one thing to do a Keto diet for 3-4 months and lose 20 lbs. For someone morbidly obese it may take years...which is psychologically daunting, much easier to just give up thinking it's hopeless.

I'm trying to set 25lb. benchmarks every 3 months. Short term goals with overall ambition to lose 125lbs. Try not to think about losing the entire amount cause I'd probably just give up thinking it's unobtainable.

Excellent outlook and strategy. Good luck.

 

[pikespeak1]

Anyone else doing this, or thought about starting?

If it's for weight loss try this instead.

 

[pikespeak1]

I don't know, you could be right, but I hope it will be sustainable for me. Doing this during Christmas was not convenient though, haha.
The reason I stumbled upon this diet is because nothing else worked, and I think it is insulin resistance. I would do an hour of cardio in the mornings, eat a balanced diet, and lift at night 5 or 6 times a week, and couldn't lose weight or any inches. The "healthy carbs" I was eating like oatmeal and sweet potatoes were keeping the fat packed on. I found out that all calories are not the same, so the old "calories in, calories out" isn't accurate, at least not for me.
Keeping insulin down is what has worked best for me. Eating 20 or fewer grams of carbs a day has yielded amazing results when slaving at the gym and eating healthy carbs didn't work.
The biggest improvement for me is my mood though. I'm much more cheerful than I used to be, and also more patient with the idiots I deal with on a daily basis for work (IT support). I'm not miserable at all, and haven't pondered suicide because I couldn't eat pizza or candy. I've read in numerous studies that our brains function much better when ketones are the energy source rather than carbs. There are actually no essential carbs. Also, this diet isn't just for losing weight, but is good for anybody. Several athletes (MMA fighters, Tim Tebow) are doing it with positive results.

 

[BlueRaider22]

Also I eat a low carb diet, but do boot camp 3 times a week, elliptical 2 times a week for 45 minutes, and lift heavier weights once a week. So diet and exercise are definitely key.

It's funny how your mind wanders at times. While reading your routine, all I kept thinking was:

"My name is Patrick Bateman. I'm 27 years old. I believe in taking care of myself and a balanced diet and rigorous exercise routine. In the morning if my face is a little puffy I'll put on an ice pack while doing stomach crunches. I can do 1000 now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial mask which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion."

 

[Hank Camacho]

I'm no Scienceball, but I'd be willing to bet that a large portion of the success of any of these sort of diets is in what they reduce -- namely, the megaton of high fructose corn syrup and hydrogenated oils that most Americans eat in a given month.

Eating any reasonable diet is probably alright so long as you are physically and mentally active and you don't eat too much stuff that is processed or sold by Big Nabisco, etc.

 

[elwood_blue]

Yessir! I've been watching a lot of Dr. Fung's vids on intermittent fasting. That's why I began fasting 18 hours a day. I eat between 12 - 6 pm and fast the other 18 hours. Good stuff!

 

[pikespeak1]

We've been lied to our entire lives about how fat is the devil. It's the carbs man.

Not exactly. It's more about the types of carb and fats. Also you cab be perfectly healthy on high carb or high fat diet. The problem comes when you do both at the same time. Too much fat in the bloodstream at the same time as sugar is the primary cause of insulin resistance. To have the most healthy diet you have to eat plenty of colorful fruits and vegetables. You might lose weight eating lots of bacon and spam but your health will suffer in the long run.

 

[TXCatFBFan]

Been on the HCG diet for 4 weeks and I've lost 23 pounds (currently at 204). I have two more weeks to go and hope to drop to 195 or so. After this diet, I'll transition into Ketos. My wife followed this program; lost 35 pounds (now at 132); and has maintained for almost a year. Fasting several days a week until about 4pm really helps your body maintain an efficient digestive process. Caveman didn't have 3 meals a day.

 

[ganner918_rivals60369]

I think obesity is more of a hormone problem (insulin) than anything else, at least for a lot of people.

Since the late 70s, the adult obesity rate triples. Did our hormones and genetics change, or did our diets and lifestyles change?

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Lifestyle has changed. Has to be 99% of the cause. We're lazier, we want food quicker and to taste as best as possible. We have too much going on to sit down for a home cooked meal, and go for fast food. Speaking of fast food, the influx of these joints on every corner.

The last 30-40 years was great for medical science, but not for our habits.

 

[elwood_blue]

Since the late 70s, the adult obesity rate triples. Did our hormones and genetics change, or did our diets and lifestyles change?

All of the above probably, haha. I think in the craze to make everything "low fat" they had to increase the carb content of those foods, which increases the insulin response to all those foods. If you look at "low fat" food labels, their carbs are usually higher than their full fat counterparts.

 

[roguemocha]

And WAY more sugar with the reduced fat.

 

[Hank Camacho]

All of the above probably, haha. I think in the craze to make everything "low fat" they had to increase the carb content of those foods, which increases the insulin response to all those foods. If you look at "low fat" food labels, their carbs are usually higher than their full fat counterparts.

It is almost like food companies found out that carbs are far cheaper to produce than fat and then funded a bunch of "science" to determine that fat was bad for you to sell people a bunch of snackwells.

But I digress.

 

[cball225]

Late to the party, but the guy on the low carb diet that had trouble losing weight eating a normal healthy diet and experienced brain fog may want to consider being checked for celiacs disease. I always wondered why I felt so much better eating low carb. It was celiacs. Or just keep eating low carb. To be tested would require 2 - 3 months of eating wheat.

Just some food for thought.

 

[Get Buckets]

Just some food for thought.

:stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: Pun intended mirite???

 

[elwood_blue]

Late to the party, but the guy on the low carb diet that had trouble losing weight eating a normal healthy diet and experienced brain fog may want to consider being checked for celiacs disease. I always wondered why I felt so much better eating low carb. It was celiacs. Or just keep eating low carb. To be tested would require 2 - 3 months of eating wheat.

Just some food for thought.

I've thought the same thing but didn't go through getting tested because of how much better I felt after eliminating wheat/carbs. Getting rid of the inflammation from eating carbs unofficially confirmed that possibility. I've tried a couple of cheat meals (Italian food) in the last few months since going low-carb and felt awful, so no more of those.