So ummm. I guess I told you so. You listening to talk radio? It seems like EVERYBODY is calling for his job. And saying they SAME thing I said, try to hire BROHM. OBVIOUSLY, But ya I was at the game, And ya at Big football schools it doesn't matter if you win 9 games a year. If you lose to your RIVAL by 35 points EVERY SINGLE YEAR and never show any progress against that team, then they get FIRED. PERIOD. There is evidence to prove that statement. The rivalry game is it's own separate entity. This season I've been back and forth between letting him go or keeping him one more year to see if things get turned around, only cause we're so young and we'll be getting everybody back. But ya if we lost by like 7 or less, or God forbid, won the game, then ya I'd be all on board with keeping him, but not showing NOTHING AT ALL, and No progress at all I'm the rivalry, while they're jumping around disrespecting us and being jerks pretty much, and their coach encourages it. So ya I need somebody who is gonna fight back, not just give up and put in the back ups. Idk sorry Kevin, I really hope you don't get your way and we keep him around one more year. Unfortunately tho I'm not sure we're gonna get a new coach. If Vince likes to keep the heat off himself then he will make a call over to Purdue or something.
Kevin shaunessy, or however it's spelled....
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Since when did two blowout losses become “every year?"
It seems like some fans forget that Satterfield wasn’t the coach in 2018.
It seems like some fans forget that Satterfield wasn’t the coach in 2018.
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I see that you are listed as a one star poster. Is this comparable to a one star recruit?
If I had 8 million, I would pay him to beat our arch rival in a heartbeat.
No - by all means, let’s keep a guy (who has shown through word and deed that he doesn’t really want to be here) who’s exactly .500 in a terrible ACC for 3 1/2M.
Satterfield would be lucky to be 10 games under .500 in the big ten.
It’s about 9 million which would be recouped and more if you bring Jeff home. Fat Stoops worst nightmare.
I wasn't the one that wanted Satt here, but also he's exceeded my expectations too because I can realistically look at the roster and challenges he faced entering this program. I knew year 3 would be very tough, I've posted about it for a while. I thought just getting to a bowl game this year would be a success.
I'm not pumping Sun Belt Scott up, but also I'm going to be consistent in how I see this roster. He only has 1st and 2nd year guys of his own on the roster. Bobby left him 19 receivers and 8 offensive linemen combined with the worst defense in power conference history. He left him basically nothing in the 2019 recruiting class and 2017/18 groups were unbalanced and or transferred out. Jeff wouldn't be doing much better. 5 years of proof at Purdue, he's basically doing essentially a little worse than Porky at sUcKs and really no different than Scott.
And Jeff is in a Big Ten division with Minnesota, Northwestern, Illinois, & Nebraska. Iowa & Wisconsin are tough, but neither are close to Clemson. Not to mention they get Indiana every year. You think Scott would lose to Eastern Michigan & Rutgers like Jeff did, because those are such tough teams? That's not some brutal schedule.
$7 million though because he's local and he'd get our guys excited for OUR SUPERBOWL, which is what we've made it. If we would've gotten blow out by Cuse but beat sUcKs narrowly to go 6-6, it'd be different. I'd feel the same either way, because I don't get all my eggs in the basket of beating sUcKs as to if our season matters or not, but it seems like our fanbase views it how sUcKs did when we were beating Porky and they wanted him fired.
I’ll be honest Stoops is a terrible football coach who should have his a$$ handed to him every year. And to let that tub of fast food grease come in the city of Louisville and take the best players is unacceptable. Brohm wants to come home which is why his buyout is 1 million starting Sunday. Satterfield is a nice guy, but he has no fire or emotion on the sideline. If Jeff can beat Ohio State what do you think he will do to Stoops. You hire Brohm and all this ends very quickly.
I am going to re-state and amplify on what I posted in the condolences thread, because I believe that the message is important, but also subtle, and also because many may have missed it.
As we all know, Satterfield's father died last Saturday after a lengthy illness - the specifics of which his family is keeping private, and rightly so. My father also died (May 2020) after a lengthy illness (Stage 4 bladder cancer, diagnosed in March 2019), so I've lived a version of what Scott just went through - although my job is much less demanding and allowed me to use much of my accrued sick leave to be present in my father's life during much of his last year.
Satterfield told us at the time of those interviews that he was specifically looking at a job opportunity that was closer to his PARENTS (not family, specifically his parents). At the time I heard this, having no knowledge of his father's ill health, it seemed an odd comment to make - after all, while the head coaching job at a P5 school is very competitive and demanding, the man IS earning $3.5 million per year. Travelling to visit your parents is impractical with such a demanding job, but why not just work with a charter company to bring your parents in luxury and comfort to every one of your games, as well as several other times each year?
That solution works well, assuming the parent is not too ill and weak to travel due to medical treatments intended to prolong and possibly save his life. When that assumption is wrong, the only solution that works for you to be able to spend what little quality time you have left with your parent is that you need to be located physically close enough to your parent to go to him in what little spare time you have.
So in summary (sorry for the long post), I'd submit that, far from not wanting to be here, Scott actually made a tremendous sacrifice to be here, giving up something that is more precious than most can imagine, to do so.
"buttt pusshhuppp mannnn itt'sss yearr 3!!!! dang it we shoullda been ACC champs in da darn playoffff!"
"FARRRRR dat SOB!!!"
That’s another good reason to do it. You think Stoops is worried about CSS taking back the Governor’s Cup?
Good points. I’ll add to it by saying with only his mother still alive, the desire to be closer to her / home might have only intensified with satterfield.
And it seems - through word and deed - that it was pretty strong to begin with.
Minnesota finished #10 in the country two yrs ago. They have 8 wins this yr their best player was lost for the season week 1. Fleck has done a good job there. Previous coach took them to 4 straight bowls before leaving.
Northwestern has finished in the polls 4 of the last 7 years, 5 of last 10. One year they finished 10th also. Solid program under Fitzgerald. They have gone to a bowl 10 of his last 14 years.
Yes Wisconsin is tough. They have won there share of bowl games! Have finished in the AP top 13 in 4 of last 8 years. A few other T25s here and there
I said not close to Clemson. They aren't Clemson
Since we've joined the ACC, we've played a playoff team every single year in conference play until this season. If we're going by the past then, our division has had 2 different teams win a national title and 3 different teams win a national title. 3 different programs in our division have had a Heisman trophy winner. Not to mention having to have Notre Dame on our schedule every few years, so a 3rd playoff team we have to play at times.
The Big Ten West? 0 programs have made the playoffs. Yes our division has been down a bit, but the Big Ten West isn't that tough.
Since those above want to bring up the past, we can do that with Clemson & FSU. It's been down the last few years, but in our attempt to bring down Satt and give Brohm every benefit of the doubt we're not acting like a schedule with Wisconsin & Iowa is murders row. It's about like what Poops does at UK pretending the SEC East is like the SEC West.
Illinois has been trash. Indiana is trash. Northwestern is usually just above average. Nebraska has been trash. It was a tougher schedule this year and he looked great in YEAR 5. But we don't talk about 4-8 year 3.
Wrong.
5-1 in their last 6 bowls.
Finished ranked 5 of last 10 years.
They finished in the T10 two years ago.
FSU hasn't finished a season ranked in 5 years. The 5 years prior very good. Elite. But the trend is real. They are paying multiple coaches right now.
FSU has been a hot garbage program since Satt arrived at Louisville. 4 straight losing seasons. Bad. Very bad.
Bringing up FSU does not strengthen any position you're taking, it weakens it.
This year?
Clemson, NC State, and Wake Forest are in our division and ranked.
Iowa is the only team in the Big Ten West that is ranked.
Ole Miss and Kensucky are 2 of our 4 non-conference games and they're all ranked.
Purdue did have ND, Michigan State, and Ohio State
So as of today in the last polls of the 2021 season?
Louisville played 5 ranked teams
Purdue played 4 ranked teams
I'm not saying Purdue's schedule wasn't tough, but again, the facts don't backup that we didn't play anyone when 5 of our 12 games were against teams that finished the regular season in the top 25.
They did have bigger wins, in year 5, and we choked away 3 losses against ranked teams in the 4th quarter.
We lost 2 blowout games to SEC teams.
They lost blowouts to Ohio State and Wisconsin.
We have 1 loss to an unranked team
They have 2 losses to unranked teams
So in comparison, Louisville and Purdue were mostly competitive in 10 of 12 games. 2 blowout losses to teams with size and talent advantages.
So you want to go with schedule? Purdue’s easiest team this year was UCONN, which Purdue drubbed. Ours was EKU? Their toughest OOC game was ND, ours was either Ole Miss or UK which we were done before halftime. Clemson didn’t win the division title this year and we still lost to them. Keep pumping the 10-2 possibility but we were closer to being 4-8.
Three teams in our division are currently ranked. None in the top 10.
One team in their division is currently ranked. Not in the top 10
We played a top 10 Ole Miss in non-conference and a top 25 Kensucky
They played a top 10 ND and Ohio State, plus a top 25 Michigan State
I'm saying Purdue's is tougher, but not like it's that much LOL. They're in a division where their only ranked team is #13 and we have 3 on that level. Then a bunch of 5-8 win teams. Sounds like our division. They played some tough out of division and ND, we played 2 ranked non-conference teams.
Quit acting like we played such a weak schedule and they played a NFL schedule. Brohm's results, in year 5 of his rebuild, were better than Scott's in year 3 of his rebuild. Both schedules were tough. Purdue's was tougher and results a bit better, in year 5 of a rebuild, but acting like we play deaf/blind while they played in the Big Ten East isn't accurate.
If Scott has been average to above average, that's what Brohm has been too, but had more time to get to his 8-4 ceiling in year 5 in the weakest Big Ten West season maybe ever?
You have been arguing about Brohm's overall resume (5 yrs) @ Purdue vs Satterfield's overall resume (3 yrs) @ Louisville.
Now you're shifting gears to one year review? Nobody is evaluating either coach based on one year. If we do that, the picture might change. Maybe. I haven't really thought about this as being a one year comparison.
I don't think your tactic here helps you much. Brohm does have two T15 wins this year. Satterfield doesn't have any T25 wins.
You are moving your goalposts. Good to see you add that to your bag of tricks! But the results aren't really going anywhere for you.
I still don't have much of an opinion on the topic of SS. I think fans are justified for having conversations like these. No problem with you having the position you have either.
Just pointing out your hyperbolic and straw man arguments. We will add goal post moving to your game too.
So ya think ND, MSU, and tOSU is just wee bit tougher than Ole Miss+UK? Really! Ya don't say. Look at us coming to agreement.
I fixed the 2nd part of your post there for ya to make the data a bit more meaningful.
Participation trophies. Nah. Not interested.
And Satt doesn't have any Group of 5 losses either, Brohm does. Fair trade.
I'm not making a straw man, I'm just pointing out you can nitpick and debate Brohm/Satt all day and it's not a huge difference. The Big Ten West is tough and all, but it's not the SEC West or Big Ten East. I'm not a huge Satt guy, I'm just pointing out FLAWS of Brohm that he's given the benefit of the doubt. He finally had a good year, in his 5th season, after having losing seasons in year 3 and 4.
I'm agreeing he had a tough rebuild and Purdue isn't easy, but all of his excuses are ones that no one here will give Satt. "Tough rebuild" "Injuries" "etc" and those are legit excuses, but don't say Satt only has excuses when we give Satterfield with a Louisville degree an easier time.
You and I probably view Satt the same way, I just didn't have high expectations for this rebuild no matter who we got as coach. We romanticize Brohm because we think about Howard, Bobby 1.0 with Louisville guys Brian Brohm and Michael Bush, beating down sUcKs, and just think that's how it will be easily because he gave a fired up speech in the XFL. He's not some elite recruiter that can build a great offensive line or defense. He doesn't really hire great assistants.
If he wanted to be here, he would've come in 2018. We assume he love us so much that he'd be here for 20 years even though he had the chance to come in 2018, but we blame Vince being a UK mole as to why? Also, Brohm knows loyalty doesn't mean much when you're a guy that was the scapegoat for Steve Kragthorpe to get another year. If he's looking to leave Purdue, it doesn't look like it in this coaching search cycle as NO ONE is even considering him. We're going after someone that no one is even putting on their list?
This isn't "Satt is good", it more "Brohm isn't much better if even that" and if we want to make this move and we want the greatness Tom Jurich always brought, then I want better than Jeff Brohm.
3-9 before he arrived
Regular season records
year 1, 6-6
year 2, 6-6
year 3, 4-8
year 4, 2-4
year 5, 8-4
Satt
2-10 before he arrived
Regular season
Year 1, 7-5
Year 2, 4-7
Year 3, 6-6
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When you accuse fans of saying they think Louisville should be in the playoff year 3 you are making a straw man. Fans aren't saying that.
When you accuse fans of saying they think Louisville should win the ACC year 3 you are making a straw man. Fans aren't saying that.
When you accuse fans of favoring Brohm by saying fans think or fans say he can do no wrong in their eyes you are making a straw man. Fans aren't saying or thinking those things.
You are inventing talking points that don't exist, accusing fans of saying or thinking things they are not actually saying or thinking. Textbook straw man argument. You're doing this constantly. It's not about your opinion on what is best, it's about using a straw man argument.
This is why the Ghost called you snarky. You are basically lecturing the room and making **** up while you're doing it.
They may or may not be better off with Brohm who knows. The guy ain't available and the Cards don't have the $ anyway.
Go back to this summer when we discussed the Ole Miss game. The expectations of this fan base were that we shouldn't have trouble with them and it'd be easy. The expectations were TOO HIGH. This team was not that talented overall when you factor experience and depth. Then the injuries. 6-6 was what I expected. We overachieved and when we just didn't have the guns, we got blown off the ball by teams that had bigger, stronger, and faster players. sUcKs isn't elite, but their A+ game vs. us with a B game was going to tilt towards them.
A 6-6 team that returns almost all their production, adds in their best 2 defensive players that were hurt and best wideout, another year of adding balance and depth, trading Ole Miss for USF, and a team one year older that played 10/12 games tough will be battle tested.
I mean our issue was simply depth and running out of gas. Young guys making mistakes in big moments. Young guys that weren't ready for a big rivalry game and the other side was. I mean just adding a few staff changes and 1 year of growth with all the production and injured guys returning it's going to be a fun year. The best roster we've had since 2017, but even they were carried by Lamar & Jaire being elite talents.
You said Ole Miss by 14. One UofL fan said Ole Miss by 15. The biggest margin of victory predicted for Louisville was 7. Those that picked Louisville said they would win by 2 or 3 points. I.E - Expected a close game.
NOBODY. NO EFFING BODY. Said it would "be easy" in the thread I found.
Why are you making **** up and doing STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS?
Nobody in this thread said "we shouldn't have trouble with them and it's gonna be easy" either.
Posters in this thread shared concerns. The Card fan that said Ole Miss by 15 in the other thread said Ole Miss by 18 in this thread.
Anybody that picked the Cards said a win in a close game.
Another way to look at; can Brohm achieve more at UofL than at Purdue? In essence would it be easier for him to excel at UofL than Purdue and if so would that exceed what Satt can and will achieve.
I would argue that if Brohm was the HC at UofL he'd be able to recruit better than he can at Purdue, less academic restrictions, further south, would own city & much of the state recruiting, better facilities, easier road to the playoffs. He is a better fit than Satt, just that simple. I agree he hasn't been a super star at Purdue but if we could trade out right now, there is no question I'd do it. I think the upside of one is simply bigger than the other.
I would argue that if Brohm was the HC at UofL he'd be able to recruit better than he can at Purdue, less academic restrictions, further south, would own city & much of the state recruiting, better facilities, easier road to the playoffs. He is a better fit than Satt, just that simple. I agree he hasn't been a super star at Purdue but if we could trade out right now, there is no question I'd do it. I think the upside of one is simply bigger than the other.
Get Tom Herman.
Offensive mastermind. From the Urban Meyer tree. He wins and 4 of his 6 seasons coaching, his teams finished the season ranked. I mean he got the #1 player to come to Houston. Coached at Ohio State, so he knows this area. Probably has great contacts. Coaching at Ohio State & Texas gives him a good idea of what it takes to win at this level. Houston is an urban area that's not a "college town" type area, similar to Louisville.
The man recruits nationally. Beat Florida State in a NY6 Bowl, a great Oklahoma team, and shut down Lamar all at Houston. Won a NY6 Bowl at a 2nd program and took down UGA. Look at Texas the last decade and he clearly had the most successful run.
Now will we do it? Probably not, but I think this is the type of hire we want. Someone who isn't scared of big games and big boys. Did better as an underdog. And can bring in top talent all over the nation. Locking down the city and state? Who cares, we win when we recruit Florida and if we're winning the hometown kids will fall in line.
That's the guy that could inspire us to take that next step and win big. Brohm would feel more like nostalgia and a cool story, but I don't see national contender. And if we're afraid "oh if Herman succeeds he'll leave us!" then good, you win with guys that the big boys want. That would make it a great hire.
Offensive mastermind. From the Urban Meyer tree. He wins and 4 of his 6 seasons coaching, his teams finished the season ranked. I mean he got the #1 player to come to Houston. Coached at Ohio State, so he knows this area. Probably has great contacts. Coaching at Ohio State & Texas gives him a good idea of what it takes to win at this level. Houston is an urban area that's not a "college town" type area, similar to Louisville.
The man recruits nationally. Beat Florida State in a NY6 Bowl, a great Oklahoma team, and shut down Lamar all at Houston. Won a NY6 Bowl at a 2nd program and took down UGA. Look at Texas the last decade and he clearly had the most successful run.
Now will we do it? Probably not, but I think this is the type of hire we want. Someone who isn't scared of big games and big boys. Did better as an underdog. And can bring in top talent all over the nation. Locking down the city and state? Who cares, we win when we recruit Florida and if we're winning the hometown kids will fall in line.
That's the guy that could inspire us to take that next step and win big. Brohm would feel more like nostalgia and a cool story, but I don't see national contender. And if we're afraid "oh if Herman succeeds he'll leave us!" then good, you win with guys that the big boys want. That would make it a great hire.
Herman concerns me because he might be a pretty unsavory guy. Google - Zach Smith Tom Herman.
Well we don't like the good guy?
Say hello to the bad guy? A guy with edge. A guy that can recruit. A guy that can motivate. He was able to move Houston up a notch almost instantly, and he was pretty darn good at Texas in my opinion, they just were unreasonable. My thing is his time at Ohio State could really do well in an area like this where sUcKs has shown there's a lot of good talent. He knows this region, plus Texas too. Get some Urban assistants that know Florida.
Brohm is NOT the long term solution here at UofL. Just my own honest opinion. WTH I'm even sure he's all that good of a coach.
GO CARDS!!!
You need not apologize for the lengthy post PushupMan. Your comments were both appropriate and I for one appreciate it; something I have come accustomed to expecting from you.
Lefors made some excellent points as well; I believe Satterfield inherited one of the worst rosters imaginable and still got to a bowl his first year. The second year was a COVID-19 period and everyone deserves a break given that interrupted season.
That brings us to 2021, and considering everything leading up to start, it was not all that bad until the UK debacle. No excuses despite Scott’s father passing away. I am sure that had an effect, but the performance on both sides reflect a lot more about UK than it does about UL. Their strengths were our weaknesses, and I believe the Malik Cunningham show which usually resulted in high reward, conversely results in disaster when he struggles like he did Saturday. Those numerous 3 and out series opened up UK‘s dominating offensive performance.
I hope Scott remains here, but if the Duke job is offered to him and he takes it…….then it gives those who want a coaching change their wish. Watch what you wish for, as sometimes the devil you do not know is worse than the devil you do know. !
Lefors made some excellent points as well; I believe Satterfield inherited one of the worst rosters imaginable and still got to a bowl his first year. The second year was a COVID-19 period and everyone deserves a break given that interrupted season.
That brings us to 2021, and considering everything leading up to start, it was not all that bad until the UK debacle. No excuses despite Scott’s father passing away. I am sure that had an effect, but the performance on both sides reflect a lot more about UK than it does about UL. Their strengths were our weaknesses, and I believe the Malik Cunningham show which usually resulted in high reward, conversely results in disaster when he struggles like he did Saturday. Those numerous 3 and out series opened up UK‘s dominating offensive performance.
I hope Scott remains here, but if the Duke job is offered to him and he takes it…….then it gives those who want a coaching change their wish. Watch what you wish for, as sometimes the devil you do not know is worse than the devil you do know. !