Kiffin's Departure from OM and its implications on Mississippi State

[BulldawgFan]

Kiffin (presumably) leaving Ole Miss should set them back several years. Their current roster will be raided, their recruiting and portal classes will be hampered, and the demoralization will certainly cause donors to hesitate to keep giving at the pace that they have.

I'm not ashamed to say that when his flight leaves to Gainesville or Baton Route, it will be one of the best days for me sports-wise since 2021. Simply because it will close the gap between our two programs. Prior to Cohen I'd say we were ahead as a program. Since Cohen, Ole Miss not only passed us but flew right by us.

However, thinking beyond the short term I began to wonder what Kiffin leaving means long-term for Mississippi State.

In a perfect world, our Mississippi State football coach would:
-Lead us to 8+ wins every year
-Have us in playoff contention regularly
-Bring positive national attention to the program/university
-Be invested in the community
-Get buy-in from administration and fans

Kiffin has done ALL of this. Yet it looks like Ole Miss will still lose him, despite offering to make him the highest paid coach in the country.

IF we had a coach like that then what hope would we have at keeping him long-term?

The alternative would be having a coach whose greatest aspiration is being here, but that probably means he lacks ambition and would be OK winning just enough to keep his job.

After typing all of that, the conclusion that I've come to is that we have to be OK potentially being a stepping-stone (like with Mullen) and hope he leaves it better than how he found it (like with Mullen). Then hope that our program is structured in a way that the next guy can come in and succeed, rinse, and repeat (not like with Moorhead).

 

[aTotal360]

What's your favorite pizza topping?

 

[BulldawgFan]

What's your favorite pizza topping?

I just realized how GenesPagey it sounds. Probably should've posted there tbh.

 

[dawgstudent]

Kiffin (presumably) leaving Ole Miss should set them back several years. Their current roster will be raided, their recruiting and portal classes will be hampered, and the demoralization will certainly cause donors to hesitate to keep giving at the pace that they have.

I'm not ashamed to say that when his flight leaves to Gainesville or Baton Route, it will be one of the best days for me sports-wise since 2021. Simply because it will close the gap between our two programs. Prior to Cohen I'd say we were ahead as a program. Since Cohen, Ole Miss not only passed us but flew right by us.

However, thinking beyond the short term I began to wonder what Kiffin leaving means long-term for Mississippi State.

In a perfect world, our Mississippi State football coach would:
-Lead us to 8+ wins every year
-Have us in playoff contention regularly
-Bring positive national attention to the program/university
-Be invested in the community
-Get buy-in from administration and fans

Kiffin has done ALL of this. Yet it looks like Ole Miss will still lose him, despite offering to make him the highest paid coach in the country.

IF we had a coach like that then what hope would we have at keeping him long-term?

The alternative would be having a coach whose greatest aspiration is being here, but that probably means he lacks ambition and would be OK winning just enough to keep his job.

After typing all of that, the conclusion that I've come to is that we have to be OK potentially being a stepping-stone (like with Mullen) and hope he leaves it better than how he found it (like with Mullen). Then hope that our program is structured in a way that the next guy can come in and succeed, rinse, and repeat (not like with Moorhead).

Kiffin is a program difference maker. He's a good coach and gets the current state of college football. Once he leaves, Ole Miss will go back more to what they are. Also, they won't have this gift of a football schedule they've had the past 2 years.

 

[bulldognation]

What's your favorite pizza topping?

In my opinion, deep dish pizza is overrated.

 

[bulldoghair]

Who says he’s leaving?

 

[L4Dawg]

He isn't going to leave.

 

[aTotal360]

In my opinion, deep dish pizza is overrated.

Agreed, and I grew up eating the world's best deep dish. Got a free personal pan after reading 5 books...

 

[Shmuley]

Who says he’s leaving?

 

[dawgstudent]

Who says he’s leaving?

Talked to him yesterday. He said if the Giants or Dolphins open up - he's good as gone.

 

[BulldawgFan]

Who says he’s leaving?

In addition to media, betting odds, and message boards he has said so by his refusal to sign an extension.

 

[FreshAsHail]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but he ain't going anywhere.

 

[Darryl Steight]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but he ain't going anywhere.

 

[patdog]

In addition to media, betting odds, and message boards he has said so by his refusal to sign an extension.

You know who else hasn't signed an extension? Jeff Lebby. We'll see. I'm not reading too much into anything right now. If I had to guess, I'd guess he leaves now or retires from Mississippi. But I really don't have a clue what he's going to do. And neither does anyone else.

 

[John Deaux VII]

In my opinion, deep dish pizza is overrated.

It's just like anything else, it just depends on where you get it.

 

[11thEagleFan]

Some of y’all are setting yourselves up for hurt feelings. Kiffin ain’t going anywhere for the next couple years, at least.

 

[Darryl Steight]

Talked to him yesterday. He said if the Giants or Dolphins open up - he's good as gone.

You know, the Dolphins make sense. I saw him at Target in Germantown about a week ago and he said he was playing golf up there because his family was in Florida to "look at neighborhoods". I assumed he meant Gainesville at the time, but Miami makes more sense.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[FreshAsHail]

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Truth hurts, I know

 

[johnson86-1]

Kiffin is a program difference maker. He's a good coach and gets the current state of college football. Once he leaves, Ole Miss will go back more to what they are. Also, they won't have this gift of a football schedule they've had the past 2 years.

The next coach is in a practically no win situation. Their schedule will almost certainly get harder. Fans will expect him to pick up where Kiffin left off in an era where a coach leaving have the potential if not likelihood to gut your team. Even assuming he gets the same amount of NIL support as Kiffin, he's going to be expected to get the same type portal hauls without the established reputation as a coach.

The new coach could come in and do a solid job and still lose good will with the fans over teh first couple of years.

 

[POTUS]

It's pretty simple really. Despite all the changes, there are still haves and have-nots in college football. Ole Miss is a have-not. We are as well. The only success either of us will ever have will be fleeting because the minute we get close to building something, a have will come and pluck away our coaches or assistants or players or all three. So the minute Kiffin actually accomplishes something, he'll be gone. It looks like they'll make the playoff. This is their zenith. I hope we can have a similar zenith sometime in the next decade or so. But if/when we do, it will be just as fleeting.

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Kiffin is a program difference maker. He's a good coach and gets the current state of college football. Once he leaves, Ole Miss will go back more to what they are. Also, they won't have this gift of a football schedule they've had the past 2 years.

That’s why he leaves this year. If Northern Miss makes him the highest paid coach, their fans will expect more than a one-and-done in the CFB Playoffs every once in a while.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Kiffin and the Ole Miss Administration made it a better job than LSU , Auburn and Florida at the moment.
If Kiffin goes anywhere, it will be to the Dolphins.

 

[patdog]

Kiffin and the Ole Miss Administration made it a better job than LSU , Auburn and Florida at the moment.
If Kiffin goes anywhere, it will be to the Dolphins.

Auburn maybe. But LSU and Florida are definitely better jobs. Not even close. Now, he may stay in Oxford for other reasons (one being that he might not be offered either job for all we know), but it won't be because the Mississippi job is as good as the Florida or LSU job.

 

[onewoof]

The ceiling will be reached this season.... "making the playoffs"

Who will throw out over $40M/year for a halfway decent chance to win the natty against teams like A&M, Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, Texas? That is a short, short list... That list is very different from the list of schools that want to "make the playoffs"

 

[HomeBoyDawg]

I reckon the "pretending not to care train" left the station a long time ago???

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

The ceiling will be reached this season.... "making the playoffs"

Who will throw out over $40M/year for a halfway decent chance to win the natty against teams like A&M, Georgia, Bama, Ohio State, Texas? That is a short, short list... That list is very different from the list of schools that want to "make the playoffs"

Scruggs still has his Billion sitting on the side.

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

Some of y’all are setting yourselves up for hurt feelings. Kiffin ain’t going anywhere for the next couple years, at least.

This. Hate to hurt feelings. My kids run in the same circles as his kids. They aren't leaving Oxford anytime soon. IF he were to leave, it would be for the Florida job, and I would put that at less than 10%.

 

[Dawgbite]

Talked to him yesterday. He said if the Giants or Dolphins open up - he's good as gone.

You laying the groundwork in the event he doesn’t want to move his TV’s?

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

 

[Jack Klompus.sixpack]

The only implications on Mississippi State I see are to not see his name mentioned on this message board every 5 minutes.

 

[BulldawgFan]

The only implications on Mississippi State I see are to not see his name mentioned on this message board every 5 minutes.

Until he leaves it’s better the more his name is mentioned in relation to schools other than OM.

 

[PhiDawg]

Kiffin is a program difference maker. He's a good coach and gets the current state of college football. Once he leaves, Ole Miss will go back more to what they are. Also, they won't have this gift of a football schedule they've had the past 2 years.

Your last sentence is the big difference maker.

 

[PhiDawg]

Kiffin is a program difference maker. He's a good coach and gets the current state of college football. Once he leaves, Ole Miss will go back more to what they are. Also, they won't have this gift of a football schedule they've had the past 2 years.

Your last sentence is the big difference maker

 

[Jack Klompus.sixpack]

Until he leaves it’s better the more his name is mentioned in relation to schools other than OM.

Nope. The more his name is mentioned here or anywhere else, including OM, the more his name is mentioned, the less it should mean to the Mississippi State fanbase.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

 

[RopeDawg]

He isn't going to leave.

Giants

 

[H8arebel]

Is he a better coach than ed orgeron or les miles? If not stay at um. If he wants to win natty then it’s a no brainer. Those jobs don’t come open very often. Either way doesn’t affect us as much as people whine about. He didn’t exactly destroy us the last two years we played with us having really bad teams. Kiffen will ultimately Kiffen. That’s what he does.

 

[BulldawgFan]

Nope. The more his name is mentioned here or anywhere else, including OM, the more his name is mentioned, the less it should mean to the Mississippi State fanbase.

Do you remember how much the OM boards talked about Mullen leaving every year? Do you remember how much it got under the skin of a lot of our fanbase?

Believe it or not, people outside of MSU read this board. Players included.

We would be wasting huge opportunity by not talking about this every chance we get. It helps sow uncertainty. Not saying this board is a means of propaganda but

It’d be like if you hated your neighbor and there were rumors of his wife cheating on him. Maybe the next time you’re with others in the neighborhood you stir the pot a little. Nothing crazy, just keep it a topic of conversation.

The more people talk about Kiffin leaving, the less they talk about the good season our rival is having. It’s not rocket science.
And FWIW, Kiffin will not be in Oxford next year either way.

 

[Jack Klompus.sixpack]

Nope. The more his name is mentioned here or anywhere else, including OM, the more his name is mentioned, the less it should mean to the Mississippi State fanbase.

Do you remember how much the OM boards talked about Mullen leaving every year? Do you remember how much it got under the skin of a lot of our fanbase?

Believe it or not, people outside of MSU read this board. Players included.

We would be wasting huge opportunity by not talking about this every chance we get. It helps sow uncertainty. Not saying this board is a means of propaganda but

It’d be like if you hated your neighbor and there were rumors of his wife cheating on him. Maybe the next time you’re with others in the neighborhood you stir the pot a little. Nothing crazy, just keep it a topic of conversation.

The more people talk about Kiffin leaving, the less they talk about the good season our rival is having. It’s not rocket science.
And FWIW, Kiffin will not be in Oxford next year either way.

I do not. I do not. I do not believe it.

 

[Curby]

Not saying Lane won't accept one of these openings, but he has a daughter and a son in school @ Oxford. Daughter is ole ms and son is on the football team Oxford H.S.