Kobe Bryant, RIP (Breaking)
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We all POS maaan
But if u watched it.... it was by far the best coverage & homage to THE GREAT LATE KOBE BRYANT
LIP HOMEY
But if u watched it.... it was by far the best coverage & homage to THE GREAT LATE KOBE BRYANT
LIP HOMEY
Ugghhh. Was clickin around Twitter, incidentally happened upon crash footage and didn’t stop it before I realized, that’s definitely not the way you want to go.
wish I didn’t see it, no way I’ll ever get on a helicopter unnecessarily again
wish I didn’t see it, no way I’ll ever get on a helicopter unnecessarily again
I know one video going around has already been said to not be the Kobe crash. The color wasn't even the same as his helicopter
Exactly. The safety systems alone account for a lot of it, but I'm curious to know the ins and outs of the capabilities of those existing systems. These cars possess the elec and mech ability to start/stop themselves, brake themselves, lock themselves and even change gears using AI and algorithms. Bypassing those safety gates and triggers to cause mechanical actuation can't be that difficult, if they aren't already inherent in the system.
Yep, normally I love a good RIP thread, but with his daughter, and another young lady and her parents dying, I'm not going that route. My condolences to both families.
Autorotation - Landing a Helicopter without Engine Power
I've almost always felt safer riding rotary wing rather than fixed.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/john-altobelli-kobe-bryant-california-helicopter-crash-baseball-coach
Other victims of the crash.
Other victims of the crash.
Austin, I know this is your personal opinion, and that you post intelligently like 99.9% of the time, but are you outta your gd mind? In no statistical measure are helicopters safer than fixed wing planes.
Oh, I know. You are absolutely correct. Statistically, I believe fixed-wing is indeed much safer. Fixed wing also includes smoother performance with less noise and lesser chance for incidents (i.e. hit by rotor blades, prop blast debris).
I've always felt safer flying rotary for some crazy reason.
I keep seeing tweets about how the world is a better place because of Kobe. Did I miss where he did something for humanity besides play basketball? I mean that doesn't make the world a better place. And this isn't because I am not a fan. He was a great basketball player but that doesn't translate to changing the world for the better. In fact what he did outside of sports that you read isn't necessarily good stuff. I just don't get it. As far as the situation goes I feel bad for all the family members left behind to deal with these tragic losses.
Edit: CBS LA is reporting the pilot was Ara Zobayan.
The nine were:
Kobe
Gigi
John Altobelli (father)
Keri Altobelli (mother)
Alyssa Altobelli (child)
Christina Mauser (coach)
Sarah Chester (mother)
Payton Chester (child)
Ara Zobayan (pilot)
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Someone told me this morning that they heard a news report that said they shouldn't have even been in the air due to heavy fog. I am not sure if the accident was related to that though.
From TMZ:
4:30 PM PT -- L.A. weather was extremely foggy Sunday morning, and law enforcement sources tell us even LAPD air support was grounded because of it. Flight tracker data shows Kobe's chopper appeared to first encounter weather issues as it was above the L.A. Zoo. It circled that area at least 6 times at a very low altitude -- around 875 feet -- perhaps waiting for the fog to clear.
FLIGHT TOWER AUDIO
We know the pilot contacted the control tower at Burbank Airport around 9:30 AM PT, and the tower was aware the pilot had been circling for about 15 minutes. The pilot eventually headed north along the 118 freeway before turning to the west, and started following above the 101 freeway around Woodland Hills, CA.
At around 9:40 AM they encounter more weather -- as in seriously heavy fog -- and the chopper turned south. This was critical, because they turned toward a mountainous area. The pilot suddenly and rapidly climbed from about 1200 feet up to 2000 feet.
However, moments later -- around 9:45 AM -- they flew into a mountain at 1700 feet. Flight tracker data shows they were flying at about 161 knots.
Kobe wasn’t piloting the aircraft. I am guessing that the individual talking to air traffic control is the pilot. The individual talking to atc is not Kobe.
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185 mph in a helicopter, I wouldn’t think so.
The pilot probably realized they were in trouble and tried to correct his elevation quickly, but it was too late to clear the mountain. Awful!
No one retired needs a helicopter. They have all kinds of time on their hands. Also when a helicopter becomes something you are trying to "save money on" you should just get rid of it.
He was only retired from the NBA. He still had plenty of things going on that required his time.
No one "needs" anything, whether they're retired or working. Bryant made a choice to use a helicopter for transportation because he wanted to...and an accident happened. Your same "argument" could be used for any mode of transportation.
Tell me about it. I bought a cheap horse one time and it turns out it was a wild mustang that was a rescue. Never could break that thing to ride. It was like being a rodeo star every time you tried to get on his back.
So can anyone take off and fly a helicopter over a large city in severe weather without some sort of approval? Seems extremely dangerous if so. It's not only the guy on the bird with the bad judgement at risk, but the city population.
Forget which old blues musician said it, but someone asked him how he had lived so long. He said "You got to stay away from the 3 h's, heroin, helicopters, and ho's.
Apparently, he would fly to save time getting to games and getting around LA instead of getting stiff as a passenger in a car.
Saving money is great as long as you are not cutting corners and sacrificing too much quality, which does not appear the case in this situation. If you can fix your own car, then why hire a mechanic?
He invested in his own ability to fly, which likely saved him a lot of money (to an average person) over his playing career and gave him a leisure activity that he enjoyed. Nobody needs stuff, but if you can responsibly afford it and it has enough value to you, then why not?
Regardless, he wasn’t flying and it is coming out that this wasn’t his personally-owned helicopter.
No aircraft, fixed or rotary-wing, can survive a 161 knot (185 MPH) impact into a mountain.
Interesting.....
...Between 1990 and 2019, there were 5,098 accidents or serious incidents involving helicopters in the United States. Of these, 907 (or 17.8%) involved fatalities. In the last decade, more than 380 people have died in helicopter accidents.
Meanwhile, there were over 47,000 accidents or serious incidents involving airplanes in the U.S. airspace over that same time period, of which more than 8,800 involved fatalities.
You’re far more likely to die in a car accident than a helicopter crash. In 2017 alone, over 37,000 people died in highway accidents in the U.S., and since you’re more likely to travel by car than helicopter, your odds of dying in an automobile are higher.
Over the past few decades, the number of accidents involving helicopters has fallen. 2019 saw the second lowest number of helicopter accidents over the past 30 years with just 125 incidents. Comparatively, back in 1990 there were 228 helicopter accidents in the U.S....
Helicopter crashes like the one that claimed Kobe Bryant are becoming less common — but that could change.
The fatal accident rate for helicopters is 0.82 per 100,000 hours
Taken from a Slate Article:
According to the National Transportation Safety Board. General aircraft—airplanes, helicopters, balloons, blimps, and everything else—average 7.28 crashes for every 100,000 hours of flight time. The crash rate for helicopters alone is 9.84 per 100,000 hours. That means helicopters crash about 35 percent more often per hour in the air than your average aircraft. (Of course, not all planes are created equal: Single-engine piston planes are 10 times more likely to crash than jets.) Helicopter crashes, however, are less likely to kill you: The fatality rate in helicopter crashes is 1.3 deaths per 100,000 flight hours versus 1.4 deaths for aircraft in general.
Thanks for researching and posting. Very interesting.
I guess my reasons for experiencing these "better vibes" when flying rotary over fixed boils down to speed and altitude. I've only flown a couple times at altitudes greater than 3,000 ft in a chopper. Most of my flights in Iraq and other *.mil - related adventures were Nap of The Earth (NOE) or slightly higher. To me, the ground always exists in a more realistic proximity from the aircraft at such altitudes rather than at +35K feet in a pressurized cabin traveling 500 knots.
If you read some of the details that are coming out about the flight, it's becoming more and more clear this was directly related to the weather. The pilot had an opportunity to abort the flight and land in Burbank where he had been in a holding pattern for 12 minutes. Instead, he chose to enter the mountainous area where the crash occurred. Kobe was probably only flying that day based upon the pilot's confidence he could fly in such conditions even though most other helicopter traffic had been cancelled that morning.
