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Dattier

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I for one have no problem other than be jealous about not being talented enough to play about to make the money that they do.When you factor in the fact the limited window they have to earn you could make the argument that they are underpaid.If you compare what the the top roughly 2000 most talented people in the world make in in other multi billion dollar businesses over their careers,but the idea that they have the right to exhibit behavior which hurts the bottom line of the business that pays you is ludicrous.The only color involved here is green.As a small business owner any of my employees who would have been shown the door
The behavior is to draw attention to issues beyond the color green.
 
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How empathetic of you. I'm sure they find that very comforting.
You are so predictable.Every time something does not fit into your left wing hatred of society you immediately use sarcasm instead of facts.In Chicago alone there was more gun related violence in one month than the horrific events in Vegas or police shootings in the country
 
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You are so predictable.Every time something does not fit into your left wing hatred of society you immediately use sarcasm instead of facts.In Chicago alone there was more gun related violence in one month than the horrific events in Vegas or police shootings in the country
You're so predictable. Every time something doesn't condone your right-wing apathy about inequality you immediately cite facts completely divorced from any context. The violence in many communities of color is a direct result of centuries worth of abuse, oppression, poverty, and neglect.

I'm going to continue to be pretty so-called "predictable" until you wake up -- if you ever do -- and see that what I'm actually being is consistent. And don't accuse someone of predictability when your response is to deflect and deny every time, and don't be surprised that they keep repeating the same ignored message over and over again.

I tell you that the men participating in the movement Kaepernick started fear for their children's lives and that their money can never protect them from the color of their skin and you come back with crime stats and expect me not to call you out for being deplorably callous?!
 

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You're so predictable. Every time something doesn't condone your right-wing apathy about inequality you immediately cite facts completely divorced from any context. The violence in many communities of color is a direct result of centuries worth of abuse, oppression, poverty, and neglect.

I'm going to continue to be pretty so-called "predictable" until you wake up -- if you ever do -- and see that what I'm actually being is consistent. And don't accuse someone of predictability when your response is to deflect and deny every time, and don't be surprised that they keep repeating the same ignored message over and over again.

I tell you that the men participating in the movement Kaepernick started fear for their children's lives and that their money can never protect them from the color of their skin and you come back with crime stats and expect me not to call you out for being deplorably callous?!
Listen you pompous *** they are in more danger from their own race than the police or any other institution.Statiscally that is a proven fact in 2017. Please enlighten us with verifiable facts rather than your anecdotal impressions
 
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Listen you pompous *** they are in more danger from their own race than the police or any other institution.Statiscally that is a proven fact in 2017. Please enlighten us with verifiable facts rather than your anecdotal impressions
Temper, temper. Watch your language...

They aren't my anecdotal observations; it's what many players have literally said. How would you fit a father's fear for his child's safety onto a spreadsheet, and why would you?

Your statistics are hollow and cheap if you don't look at the reasons behind them. Otherwise, you must be totally blown away by the FACT that the average human being has one ovary.
 

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Temper, temper. Watch your language...

They aren't my anecdotal observations; it's what many players have literally said. How would you fit a father's fear for his child's safety onto a spreadsheet, and why would you?

Your statistics are hollow and cheap if you don't look at the reasons behind them. Otherwise, you must be totally blown away by the FACT that the average human being has one ovary.
So statistics are wrong.It is not factual that there is literally hundreds more incidents of black on black crime than police brutality cases.So in your world perception is more important than what is really happening
 

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So statistics are wrong.It is not factual that there is literally hundreds more incidents of black on black crime than police brutality cases.So in your world perception is more important than what is really happening
No, statistics in your hands are being misused. You're citing them to deflect w/o any consideration of the causes behind them. We know why so-called "Black-on-Black crime" occurs. Individuals must be held accountable for their personal choices, but collectively, we have to fix the system.

Approximately 90% of all crime perpetrated against people is perpetrated by members of the same race. Why don't we call any of it "White on White crime"? Or historically, "White on EVERYBODY ELSE crime"? And centuries of oppression, from slavery to real estate redlining, mean that a lot of us live in pretty mono-racial areas. And can you guess what money has to do with crime rates? But you want to make it out to be a Black thing and dictate to Black fathers that they ought to worry more about other Black people than the people society trusts to protect and serve everyone.
 

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When Datt shows up you know it's going to devolve into a political discussion. Mods can we kill this thread?
 

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No, statistics in your hands are being misused. You're citing them to deflect w/o any consideration of the causes behind them. We know why so-called "Black-on-Black crime" occurs. Individuals must be held accountable for their personal choices, but collectively, we have to fix the system.

Approximately 90% of all crime perpetrated against people is perpetrated by members of the same race. Why don't we call any of it "White on White crime"? Or historically, "White on EVERYBODY ELSE crime"? And centuries of oppression, from slavery to real estate redlining, mean that a lot of us live in pretty mono-racial areas. And can you guess what money has to do with crime rates? But you want to make it out to be a Black thing and dictate to Black fathers that they ought to worry more about other Black people than the people society trusts to protect and serve everyone.
You are right in one thing this is a country of individuals who are allowed to make their own choices in life.If you were living in the fifties you might have a valid point but in 2017 everyone has a chance not the right to be successful.With student loans ,Pell Grants ,etc anyone can get an education which is the key to having a better life,but only if they are willing to put in the work necessary to achieve their goals.The alternative is to sit around and whine about how unfair the system is and everything is against them.
 

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When Datt shows up you know it's going to devolve into a political discussion. Mods can we kill this thread?
The thread was and is fine. The problem is Dattier.
It's like the guy that has been married 4 times, yet fusses and gripes about all his exes. What's the common denominator? Dattier is the common denominator in most all the threads. He should be reigned in a little.
 
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Perhaps it's time to lock up another one. So many good threads that turn political. OFC
 

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You are right in one thing this is a country of individuals who are allowed to make their own choices in life.If you were living in the fifties you might have a valid point but in 2017 everyone has a chance not the right to be successful.
Those chances range from all-but-guaranteed to very slim. If we're not all working together, we're not a country of individuals; we're just individuals.
 
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The thread was and is fine. The problem is Dattier.
It's like the guy that has been married 4 times, yet fusses and gripes about all his exes. What's the common denominator? Dattier is the common denominator in most all the threads. He should be reigned in a little.
Are we in the Dean Dome?

I've always been more of a beer man, myself.
 

Dattier

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Y'all should take some personal responsibility instead of pointing fingers at little ol' me all the time.
 

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So... Anyway...

Kyrie was only with us for one year and because of injury really less than that. I love his game, how he plays and how he carries himself. I questioned him on flat Earth but otherwise I've always thought he was a very intelligent young man.

I am definitely liking the Celtics now lol...
 

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The thread was and is fine. The problem is Dattier.
It's like the guy that has been married 4 times, yet fusses and gripes about all his exes. What's the common denominator? Dattier is the common denominator in most all the threads. He should be reigned in a little.

How do you want him reigned in? His politics? That hardly seems fair, because I see four or five other posters attacking him just as they feel they’re being attacked....you being one of them.

Politics on this board is what needs to be reigned in, but we live in a world where that’s less and less possible each day. Everything today is political.
 

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Dattier is no more extreme in his views than those on the other side. He just can’t ignore viewpoints that he views as illogical.

I actually like some of his takes but choose not to taint my sports board with conversations that are better had face to face.

I love it here. I appreciate all of you, well, at least the ones I haven’t ignored.
 
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Mac9192

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How do you want him reigned in? His politics? That hardly seems fair, because I see four or five other posters attacking him just as they feel they’re being attacked....you being one of them.

Politics on this board is what needs to be reigned in, but we live in a world where that’s less and less possible each day. Everything today is political.
Come on man. He has a way of making everything confrontational. Like right now, you saying something to me. It's real simple Mr Mod, if you were to ask Datt to dial it down a notch or 5, things wouldn't be as bad as they are. What's the truth too is he gets his rocks off being this way.

Say what you will, he attacks people's posts, which leads to the back and forths. Every poster since I've been here respond back to him. I see where this is going though.
I agree politics are terrible. So is his condescending and confrontational posts, and it's ok if you say something to me, yet laughable that you won't say anything to him. Remember Mr Mod, he's the common denominator.
 
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Come on man. He has a way of making everything confrontational. Like right now, you saying something to me. It's real simple Mr Mod, if you were to ask Datt to dial it down a notch or 5, things wouldn't be as bad as they are. What's the truth too is he gets his rocks off being this way.

Say what you will, he attacks people's posts, which leads to the back and forths. Every poster since I've been here respond back to him. I see where this is going though.
I agree politics are terrible. So is his condescending and confrontational posts, and it's ok if you say something to me, yet laughable that you won't say anything to him. Remember Mr Mod, he's the common denominator.

You speak for more than yourself sir. Well done...

OFC
 
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Come on man. He has a way of making everything confrontational. Like right now, you saying something to me. It's real simple Mr Mod, if you were to ask Datt to dial it down a notch or 5, things wouldn't be as bad as they are. What's the truth too is he gets his rocks off being this way.

Say what you will, he attacks people's posts, which leads to the back and forths. Every poster since I've been here respond back to him. I see where this is going though.
I agree politics are terrible. So is his condescending and confrontational posts, and it's ok if you say something to me, yet laughable that you won't say anything to him. Remember Mr Mod, he's the common denominator.

Dattier knows he’s on a thin line. He’s been banned on this board for two of the last four years. You just disagree with his takes. You’re every bit as confrontational.
 

Mac9192

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Dattier knows he’s on a thin line. He’s been banned on this board for two of the last four years. You just disagree with his takes. You’re every bit as confrontational.
I've admitted I get fired up. The difference is, and here's the kicker, I react, as do others to him. I happen to appreciate Datts views on basketball, and even told him that. He has a knack though for no reason poking some people.
I don't back down from a debate, that's true, but neither do you, and many others on here.
I try to keep it on the issue at hand, sometimes I get ticked, but I've also read your stuff to others as well. Sir, you can be very confrontational and condescending to some as well, if we're being honest, right?
 
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dukiejay

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Of course I can be....never claimed otherwise.

You kind of acknowledged what I said....you react to his political posts because you disagree with them, but appreciate his Duke knowledge because you’re often on the same page. Our feelings change our perceptions based on our beliefs.
 

Mac9192

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Of course I can be....never claimed otherwise.

You kind of acknowledged what I said....you react to his political posts because you disagree with them, but appreciate his Duke knowledge because you’re often on the same page. Our feelings change our perceptions based on our beliefs.
I won't talk politics with him anymore. This recent debacle though was this thread where it came up by a poster about owners being too greedy and players needing more of the power. You even posted something. Datt chose to quote Hart, Topps and myself. It wasn't political, then he irritated Topps, having a back and forth, prompting what we now have between you and me. I happen to think that he purposely knew he was getting under Topps skin, and loved doing it, and felt someone with Board power should have halted it, and "reign" Datt in.
 
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