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If Thomas plays QB the entire game...it may be a different outcome, see e.g. Leongas.
 
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Guido Sarducci said:
The Mount Carmel handling of the QB situation is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen in sports.

The team of course moved the ball better with Thomas at QB as the other QB was terribly ineffective. But Thomas is clearly not a QB, doesn't like to play QB, and putting him there removes your best threat off the edge.

Meanwhile the best QB in your system is a sophomore transfer, and it's not even close. This past week, he scored 4 TDs in the second quarter. The only quarter he played. But they still refused to start him, and refused o give him more snaps in the next game. The problem is they gave another kid the starting job and 1st and 3rd quarter snaps, and another QB 4th quarter snaps. And only gave the Lyons transfer snaps in the 2nd quarter this past week, and backup snaps in the 2nd and 4th quarters of the 1st game and scrimmage. Tomorrow he's slated just for the 2nd and 4th quarters, if they even give him that after pulling him and not allowing the 4th against Palatine.

He's again not starting tomorrow for the sophs, and last game they removed him from the entire second half in a blowout. So please don't expect him to be a saviour, they refuse to develop him in their 1920's offense.
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Hmmm I'm not sure if he transferred in to play in THAT OFFENSE for one quarter on the Soph level. I wonder if he sticks o_O, I guess he's stuck now.
 
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Guido Sarducci said:
Exactly. He's extremely frustrated, trying his best to ride it out as a "team player". But considering his previous system has put it's last 3 QB starters at high Division 1, you have to wonder how long he will stick it out. Even if MC bumps him up Monday, they are doing him and the team a disservice by not playing him and giving him experience in the form of offensive snaps.
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We know some of the same people it would appear. Fenwick could use a QB for '17-'18.
 
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Guido Sarducci said:
may have to talk monday lol. Have a good weekend.
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Weren't you the same guy who was on this site a month ago saying that he was only a Sophomore and that he didn't deserve to have the weight of this program hoisted on his shoulders so soon? And then after Brown/White say that he was late being eligible and had some nagging injuries so it would be best for him to remain on sophomore team this season?

While there are definitely times that the offense is frustrating, let's not forget that this 1920's offense won 8A & 7A back to back State titles just 3 years ago.
 
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Guido Sarducci said:
Sorry. Was frustrated last night. The second scotch probably didn't help lol. So to anyone offended, I apologize. And honestly, the remark about the offense wasn't intended as as a slight. It can certainly work given the right personnel. I stand by my comments about the QB position though. I'm not going to expand on this board, but I'd be happy to if we ever meet in person.

What you said about my post a month ago was spot on. That's exactly what I posted, and I stand by that also. A month ago he did have nagging injuries, was still learning the offense, and I didn't want undo expectations placed on him (still don't). But a lot has happened in a month of football, which isn't unusual. The nagging injuries are gone. He knows the offense down cold all ready. I've had the chance to watch him in 3 games and I've had a chance to watch the varsity QBs in 3 games also.

I have some statistics that would pretty much put this discussion to rest, but I think it's time to let it go. I'll just close by saying that at the current varsity level I believe they are better off with Thomas at QB, but I think they'd be an even better team putting Thomas back on the edge where he's most effective and moving the sophomore up. But that's just my opinion, I'm obviously not a coach or anything.

peace
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Voodoo (no I'm not a coach - just a peanut gallery fan ...so don't get any ideas and get riled up on my letterman top 10) Out!!
 
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Guido Sarducci said:
Sorry. Was frustrated last night. The second scotch probably didn't help lol. So to anyone offended, I apologize. And honestly, the remark about the offense wasn't intended as as a slight. It can certainly work given the right personnel. I stand by my comments about the QB position though. I'm not going to expand on this board, but I'd be happy to if we ever meet in person.

What you said about my post a month ago was spot on. That's exactly what I posted, and I stand by that also. A month ago he did have nagging injuries, was still learning the offense, and I didn't want undo expectations placed on him (still don't). But a lot has happened in a month of football, which isn't unusual. The nagging injuries are gone. He knows the offense down cold all ready. I've had the chance to watch him in 3 games and I've had a chance to watch the varsity QBs in 3 games also.

I have some statistics that would pretty much put this discussion to rest, but I think it's time to let it go. I'll just close by saying that at the current varsity level I believe they are better off with Thomas at QB, but I think they'd be an even better team putting Thomas back on the edge where he's most effective and moving the sophomore up. But that's just my opinion, I'm obviously not a coach or anything.

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I think that if they are to make a move it has to be this week. Have an easily winnable game in DePaul Prep and the SR and BR on the horizon. Whomever they decide the QB is going to be, he should play a minimum of 3 quarters regardless of the score (needs to gets the reps).

I agree that Thomas is dangerous on the edge, I believe he should touch the ball 25 times a game minimum. While he hasn't shown the ability to throw well, when he is at QB he definitely adds another dimension to the veer. We will know more about this years team after week 5, that's when we will see just what this team is made of.
 
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getbbt

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You guys are whacked the kid just transferred in he has a 2 months and 2 games under his belt . The offense is complected and the division is rough . Everyone brings their best game for MC. Let him develop he is a sophomore. Step over the 5 to get to the 10 develop him this year you will have a sold starter again for next 2 years The coaches at MC know what they are doing
 
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The QB that subbed in during the 2nd quarter of the soph game against LA was a good player for their system. Is it safe to assume this is the player you're talking about?
He seemed more than capable of running the option well at that level and my assumption would be that he could be the guy next year and certainly as a senior on varsity. MC would be punting away their season if they thought of playing him at QB on varsity now. He's very small, although seems to be quick. I'd have concerns about him taking varsity hits play in and play out. Also, there were several short throws that didn't hit the target last Saturday. To his defense, he didn't have much time to throw but we're talking about throwing less than 5 yards down field on a few occasions. One could question his ability to see over the LOS and drive the ball down field under pressure in a varsity game. This kid should've absolutely been the starter but that didnt really matter because he played the next 3 qtrs. I'd bet he'll do really well the rest of the way against soph competition. I'll give the MC coaches credit here for their knowledge and experience in developing players and say they wouldn't consider moving this kid up over continuing to work with the varsity guys at the position or just moving Thomas to QB. Just my objective opinion after watching both the varsity and soph games against LA.
 
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I would love it if they went to the Navy Flexbone. Thomas at QB, Moriarty FB and slotbacks Kennedy Nakos
 
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LAguy said:
The QB that subbed in during the 2nd quarter of the soph game against LA was a good player for their system. Is it safe to assume this is the player you're talking about?
He seemed more than capable of running the option well at that level and my assumption would be that he could be the guy next year and certainly as a senior on varsity. MC would be punting away their season if they thought of playing him at QB on varsity now. He's very small, although seems to be quick. I'd have concerns about him taking varsity hits play in and play out. Also, there were several short throws that didn't hit the target last Saturday. To his defense, he didn't have much time to throw but we're talking about throwing less than 5 yards down field on a few occasions. One could question his ability to see over the LOS and drive the ball down field under pressure in a varsity game. This kid should've absolutely been the starter but that didnt really matter because he played the next 3 qtrs. I'd bet he'll do really well the rest of the way against soph competition. I'll give the MC coaches credit here for their knowledge and experience in developing players and say they wouldn't consider moving this kid up over continuing to work with the varsity guys at the position or just moving Thomas to QB. Just my objective opinion after watching both the varsity and soph games against LA.
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LAgty,
Do you think MC should do what LA did with Boyle last year, play half down and be available for full game on varsity,(mc has advantage on home games with sophs playing on Saturday so he could still get his reps in). Develope for the future, and still be competitive this year?
 
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getbbt

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1st I don't think LT coach got last 3 qb d1 offers
2nd MC has to many d 1 offers to count look at signing day every year
3rd LA guy is right Don't expose him to take varsity hits just yet
4th this kid shadowed MC as an 8 grader realized he made wrong choice and had the opportunity to fix
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5th can't play at LT lol
If this kid can play for lenti I'm sure he can play at any HS
 
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LAguy

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Absolutely, if MC feels like the kid may need to contribute on varsity now. I'm totally unaware of their circumstances though and I think they would have a really hard time making a deep run if the soph I saw had to take over. Otherwise, you have to prep and focus on the guys that might actually be on the field. If he's not going to play, makes sense to me to just practice with the sophs and play 4 qtrs for them as well.
Boyle's situation was very similar to Peter Pujals' a few years ago. They were literally the next man in if the varsity starter went down so they practiced all week with varsity except for a 45 minute segment one day a week with the sophs. It definitely a huge bonus for them developmentally to get 2 qtrs of game reps with the sophs as opposed to none in well contested varsity game.
 
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Thomas is one dimensional at QB right now....if he is under center, he is running with it 99% of the time UNTIL he learns the position...you have to get the ball into Kennedys hands too. #8 made some mistakes but didn't look bad all in all, lets give him time....that being said, that last drive in the red zone, I'm putting the ball into Thomas hands.
 
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