LA, Chicago and NYC to remain sanctuary cities

[WVPATX]

And will fight budget cuts, which they will lose. Here is what the Feds are asking. When a local city arrests an illegal alien, ICE wants to be alerted. ICE may and I stress MAY, issue a detainer warrant asking the city to hold the illegal until ICE can pick them up. Simple right?

Well, in sanctuary cities, this does not happen. The illegals are released. In San Fran, the killer of Kate Steinle was released even after ICE issued the detainer warrant. She would be alive today if not for San Fran's sanctuary status and the fact they released a known felon and drug dealer. He specifically stated that upon reentry (he reentered the U.S. 5 times after deportation), that he chose to go to San Fran based on their sanctuary city policy.

I hope the Feds can figure out how to punish these cities even more. In Texas, where I live, the worst city is Austin. The state has already cut around $1.5M in funds and legislation in process would cut even more. That is in addition to what the Feds will cut.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

And will fight budget cuts, which they will lose. Here is what the Feds are asking. When a local city arrests an illegal alien, ICE wants to be alerted. ICE may and I stress MAY, issue a detainer warrant asking the city to hold the illegal until ICE can pick them up. Simple right?

Well, in sanctuary cities, this does not happen. The illegals are released. In San Fran, the killer of Kate Steinle was released even after ICE issued the detainer warrant. She would be alive today if not for San Fran's sanctuary status and the fact they released a known felon and drug dealer. He specifically stated that upon reentry (he reentered the U.S. 5 times after deportation), that he chose to go to San Fran based on their sanctuary city policy.

I hope the Feds can figure out how to punish these cities even more. In Texas, where I live, the worst city is Austin. The state has already cut around $1.5M in funds and legislation in process would cut even more. That is in addition to what the Feds will cut.

I am not going to be a hypocrite and say I can support these sanctuary cities now when I haven't in the past. But the fact that ICE is deporting everyone illegal they encounter whether or not they committed crimes or take public funds goes against my Christian based values and Trump's campaign promises.

 

[WVPATX]

I am not going to be a hypocrite and say I can support these sanctuary cities now when I haven't in the past. But the fact that ICE is deporting everyone illegal they encounter whether or not they committed crimes or take public funds goes against my Christian based values and Trump's campaign promises.

Where did you read that ICE is requesting detainers for illegals with no criminal record?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

And will fight budget cuts, which they will lose. Here is what the Feds are asking. When a local city arrests an illegal alien, ICE wants to be alerted. ICE may and I stress MAY, issue a detainer warrant asking the city to hold the illegal until ICE can pick them up. Simple right?

Well, in sanctuary cities, this does not happen. The illegals are released. In San Fran, the killer of Kate Steinle was released even after ICE issued the detainer warrant. She would be alive today if not for San Fran's sanctuary status and the fact they released a known felon and drug dealer. He specifically stated that upon reentry (he reentered the U.S. 5 times after deportation), that he chose to go to San Fran based on their sanctuary city policy.

I hope the Feds can figure out how to punish these cities even more. In Texas, where I live, the worst city is Austin. The state has already cut around $1.5M in funds and legislation in process would cut even more. That is in addition to what the Feds will cut.

Will NYPD stop providing security for the first family or would that be exempt from this withholding of money?

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

In Texas, where I live, the worst city is Austin.

I'll be in Austin on Saturday afternoon, great city. Headed there after a Friday evening and morning stay in Sherman, a quick stop in Waco along the way. Hoping to hit 6th while I'm there.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Will NYPD stop providing security for the first family or would that be exempt from this withholding of money?

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[WVPATX]

Will NYPD stop providing security for the first family or would that be exempt from this withholding of money?

If funds are withheld, NYC has to decide where to make the cuts. But, as you should know, the Secret Service is in charge of protection the First Family. Not sure Trump spends much time in Trump Tower anymore.

If DeBlasio cuts police officers to keep his sanctuary city, that is HIS decision. And therefore, HIS responsibility. If someone bombs Trump Tower or kills at Trump Tower, that is on Deblasio as the mayor of NYC and the person who decides on its priorities.

Nice to know where a "conservative" like you stands on sanctuary cities and the rule of law.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

If funds are withheld, NYC has to decide where to make the cuts. But, as you should know, the Secret Service is in charge of protection the First Family. Not sure Trump spends much time in Trump Tower anymore.

If DeBlasio cuts police officers to keep his sanctuary city, that is HIS decision. And therefore, HIS responsibility. If someone bombs Trump Tower or kills at Trump Tower, that is on Deblasio as the mayor of NYC and the person who decides on its priorities.

Nice to know where a "conservative" like you stands on sanctuary cities and the rule of law.

Trump Tower is surrounded by NYPD 24/7/365. Melania and Baron live there.

 

[WVPATX]

Trump Tower is surrounded by NYPD 24/7/365. Melania and Baron live there.

Then it is DeBlasio's decision where to make the cuts, right? I know the Secret Service is in charge of protecting the First Family. And by the time the money is cut, the Trump's will be in DC (by June). Not an issue.

Are you in favor of sanctuary cities? Are you in favor of disobeying Federal law and deciding which laws to follow and which to ignore decided at the state and city level? Which other Federal laws do you think states and cities should ignore?

If you approve sanctuary cities, what would you say to Kate Steinle's family?

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Then it is DeBlasio's decision where to make the cuts, right? I know the Secret Service is in charge of protecting the First Family. And by the time the money is cut, the Trump's will be in DC (by June). Not an issue.

Are you in favor of sanctuary cities? Are you in favor of disobeying Federal law and deciding which laws to follow and which to ignore decided at the state and city level? Which other Federal laws do you think states and cities should ignore?

If you approve sanctuary cities, what would you say to Kate Steinle's family?

I'm in favor of the NYPD billing the RNC.

 

[WVPATX]

I'm in favor of the NYPD billing the RNC.

I noticed you didn't answer a single question posed to you? Are you concerned about your beliefs such that you won't share on this board? Or do you think your answers will somehow demean you? Pretty basic questions, imo.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

I noticed you didn't answer a single question posed to you? Are you concerned about your beliefs such that you won't share on this board? Or do you think your answers will somehow demean you? Pretty basic questions, imo.

Actually, I'm just tired of your proselytizing and your whining. You've become a parody of yourself.

 

[WVPATX]

Actually, I'm just tired of your proselytizing and your whining. You've become a parody of yourself.

Seems to me like you're afraid of something. Be a man and let us know the answers. Stand up for what you believe in.

You like to denigrate in your posts, but don't seem to like to answer direct questions that give us insight into your beliefs. I wonder why?

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

I noticed you didn't answer a single question posed to you? Are you concerned about your beliefs such that you won't share on this board? Or do you think your answers will somehow demean you? Pretty basic questions, imo.

Oh... and just so you're not offended, I'd include RPJ, Best Virginia, dave, WVU82 in there also. You guys can't take a joke anymore. C'mon Man!

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Seems to me like you're afraid of something. Be a man and let us know the answers. Stand up for what you believe in.

I believe I'll have another....

 

[WVPATX]

Oh... and just so you're not offended, I'd include RPJ, Best Virginia, dave, WVU82 in there also. You guys can't take a joke anymore. C'mon Man!

I asked you very simple questions since you posted a response on NYC protecting the Trumps. That is legitimate board activity. If you're disinclined to answer, just say so. But don't pretend to engage in debate if you're unwilling to answer questions.

I post topics on the board relevant to today's activity. I take a position. I debate opposite positions. I don't hurl snark without everyone knowing what position I am defending or presenting.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

I asked you very simple questions since you posted a response on NYC protecting the Trumps. That is legitimate board activity. If you're disinclined to answer, just say so. But don't pretend to engage in debate if you're unwilling to answer questions.

I post topics on the board relevant to today's activity. I take a position. I debate opposite positions. I don't hurl snark without everyone knowing what position I am defending or presenting.

And apparently you think you own/moderate the board. I've pretty much given up on this board, there used to be real discussions and now it is just political bullying... from both sides. I'll stick to the sports board from now on. I notice you never come over there.

 

[WVPATX]

And apparently you think you own/moderate the board. I've pretty much given up on this board, there used to be real discussions and now it is just political bullying... from both sides. I'll stick to the sports board from now on. I notice you never come over there.

Wrong again my friend. I was posting on Sunday. I don't own the board, but do post topics of the day. You don't want real discussion or you would have answered my questions. You want to provide snark and move on. A hit and run job. You don't want to engage in real debate. Not sure if because you think your position is weak or you simply don't like in debates.

 

[eerdoc]

And will fight budget cuts, which they will lose. Here is what the Feds are asking. When a local city arrests an illegal alien, ICE wants to be alerted. ICE may and I stress MAY, issue a detainer warrant asking the city to hold the illegal until ICE can pick them up. Simple right?

Well, in sanctuary cities, this does not happen. The illegals are released. In San Fran, the killer of Kate Steinle was released even after ICE issued the detainer warrant. She would be alive today if not for San Fran's sanctuary status and the fact they released a known felon and drug dealer. He specifically stated that upon reentry (he reentered the U.S. 5 times after deportation), that he chose to go to San Fran based on their sanctuary city policy.

I hope the Feds can figure out how to punish these cities even more. In Texas, where I live, the worst city is Austin. The state has already cut around $1.5M in funds and legislation in process would cut even more. That is in addition to what the Feds will cut.

What these places are doing is, simply, anarchy and has no place in the USA

 

[WVPATX]

What these places are doing is, simply, anarchy and has no place in the USA

Agreed. I read an article about a Sheriff testifying before Congress that suggested city leaders who defy federal statute be arrested. I'm not sure why we are not doing this? If you or I broke a federal law, we would be arrested. Why do the elites escape illegality?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Which other Federal laws do you think states and cities should ignore?

Legalization of the devil's lettuce for 1. For 2, any federal law which severely impacts a state's financial position. My beliefs don't change just because the guy in office changed. But, cause and effect apply to that logic. I don't think the states which have legalized recreational use should be entitled to the drug support money from the Fed.
So in the instance of the Sanctuary Cities, I'm not for them. If a state wants to not follow, fine, take the consequences.

With that said, I don't think specific cities have that right. That's not on the Fed to police, that's on the Gov. take Maryland for example. Baltimore is a sanctuary city for all 5 hispanics we have there. Hogan is waaaaay against it. He should be ousting the mayor over it.

 

[WVPATX]

Legalization of the devil's lettuce for 1. For 2, any federal law which severely impacts a state's financial position. My beliefs don't change just because the guy in office changed. But, cause and effect apply to that logic. I don't think the states which have legalized recreational use should be entitled to the drug support money from the Fed.
So in the instance of the Sanctuary Cities, I'm not for them. If a state wants to not follow, fine, take the consequences.

With that said, I don't think specific cities have that right. That's not on the Fed to police, that's on the Gov. take Maryland for example. Baltimore is a sanctuary city for all 5 hispanics we have there. Hogan is waaaaay against it. He should be ousting the mayor over it.

I do wonder what powers can be brought to bear. Can the offenders (mayors city councils, etc. be brought to justice for violating federal law?). I realize withholding federal money is one possibility, but is that enough?

We can't have anarchy in this country. Right now, elected officials are violating federal law? If we did it, we'd be in prison. Why do the elites escape justice? How can they arrest us for breaking laws when they don't apply that same justice to themselves? We either follow the law or we don't. And when elected officials don't follow the law, how can they expect the people to? Infuriating.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

If funds are withheld, NYC has to decide where to make the cuts. But, as you should know, the Secret Service is in charge of protection the First Family. Not sure Trump spends much time in Trump Tower anymore.

If DeBlasio cuts police officers to keep his sanctuary city, that is HIS decision. And therefore, HIS responsibility. If someone bombs Trump Tower or kills at Trump Tower, that is on Deblasio as the mayor of NYC and the person who decides on its priorities.

Nice to know where a "conservative" like you stands on sanctuary cities and the rule of law.

I don't think you have 1 idea where I stand, that was intended as a legit question. I question Trump's toughness on this issue. Stop projecting.

 

[WVPATX]

I don't think you have 1 idea where I stand, that was intended as a legit question. I question Trump's toughness on this issue. Stop projecting.

You posted this:

Will NYPD stop providing security for the first family or would that be exempt from this withholding of money?

When you don't answer an issue directly, then others are free to speculate. Your post certainly seems to indicate support for sanctuary cities since your post strongly hints at opposing the withholding of money.

If you don't like people to speculate your intent, then state it directly.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

You posted this:

Will NYPD stop providing security for the first family or would that be exempt from this withholding of money?

When you don't answer an issue directly, then others are free to speculate. Your post certainly seems to indicate support for sanctuary cities since your post strongly hints at opposing the withholding of money.

If you don't like people to speculate your intent, then state it directly.

My intent was to ask a question. I asked my question directly.

 

[bornaneer]

I'm in favor of the NYPD billing the RNC.

Why should the NYPD bill the RNC? I might agree if you said they should bill the Federal government since the man is the POTUS. When Trump was elected it was no longer a "party" issue.

 

[WVPATX]

My intent was to ask a question. I asked my question directly.

Right. And your question would easily lead anyone one to believe you opposed the taking away for federal money to sanctuary cities.

I'll give you a chance to clarify. Do you support sanctuary cities? Do you support punishing cities/states that refuse to obey federal law by taking away federal grants?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I'll give you a chance to clarify. Do you support sanctuary cities? Do you support punishing cities/states that refuse to obey federal law by taking away federal grants?

Ooooh ooooh, pick me!!!

I do not.

I do, but only so far as it relates to the item of contention.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Right. And your question would easily lead anyone one to believe you opposed the taking away for federal money to sanctuary cities.

I'll give you a chance to clarify. Do you support sanctuary cities? Do you support punishing cities/states that refuse to obey federal law by taking away federal grants?

I do not support sanctuary cities. I don't like the term "punish" in regards to cities and states and I genuinely wonder about NYC most of all. What grants are we talking about? Our national economy is based there and it needs protected. Being able to blame the libs for something happening seems like a hollow victory to me.

 

[WVPATX]

I do not support sanctuary cities. I don't like the term "punish" in regards to cities and states and I genuinely wonder about NYC most of all. What grants are we talking about? Our national economy is based there and it needs protected. Being able to blame the libs for something happening seems like a hollow victory to me.

You don't seem to understand this is DeBlasio's decision. He either can continue to accept the money or continue to defy Federal Law. If he decides to continue to violate Federal Law, he risks losing the money. It is totally his decision.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

You don't seem to understand this is DeBlasio's decision. He either can continue to accept the money or continue to defy Federal Law. If he decides to continue to violate Federal Law, he risks losing the money. It is totally his decision.

Hooray!

 

[mule_eer]

The initial reason for sanctuary status was to help the police. In a community where some illegals are afraid that speating to the police will lead to their own deportation, they create a pool of victims for criminals and create a lack of witnesses to crimes. That was the original intent. Have some cities expanded on that to be more liberal about the policy? Absolutely. I'm not against sanctuary cities in the basic sense. I'm likewise not against the idea of deporting violent criminals who are here illegally. People portray this as an all or nothing issue, but the smart (IMHO) policy lives between the extremes.

 

[WVPATX]

The initial reason for sanctuary status was to help the police. In a community where some illegals are afraid that speating to the police will lead to their own deportation, they create a pool of victims for criminals and create a lack of witnesses to crimes. That was the original intent. Have some cities expanded on that to be more liberal about the policy? Absolutely. I'm not against sanctuary cities in the basic sense. I'm likewise not against the idea of deporting violent criminals who are here illegally. People portray this as an all or nothing issue, but the smart (IMHO) policy lives between the extremes.

How do you achieve that line? Americans have died in great numbers because of sanctuary cities. How about we follow the law? When an illegal is arrested, notify ICE. If they issue a detainer, follow the law. Hold the illegal for ICE pick-up.

Trump has said he is only going to deport criminal aliens. Why would illegals refuse to help the police if they know 1) They will not be deported and 2) their communities will be safer?

We have no law if states and cities simply decide for themselves what federal laws to obey and which to ignore.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Trump has said he is only going to deport criminal aliens. Why would illegals refuse to help the police if they know 1) They will not be deported and 2) their communities will be safer?

He's said that, but there is nothing in law holding that. That's why I agree we need a path to citizenship and it'll do away with sanctuary cities. There is a legit compromise that could easily be made here.

 

[WVPATX]

He's said that, but there is nothing in law holding that. That's why I agree we need a path to citizenship and it'll do away with sanctuary cities. There is a legit compromise that could easily be made here.

Reagan created a path to citizenship and everyone promised that would end illegal immigration. We all know what happened.

We must first build the wall where it makes sense and secure the border with whatever is needed (surveillance) backed up by lots more border agents. Then we must deport all criminal illegal aliens. Every remaining alien should register for a Green Card and if they meet the criteria (time in the U.S., have a job, pay a fine, agree to never use government social programs, etc.), they can get that Green Card. But no citizenship since they broke our laws to get here. Too many people have waited too long doing it the right way, imo.

I think this is a reasonable plan, but in the interim, sanctuary cities must stop. Too many American lives lost.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

But no citizenship since they broke our laws to get here. Too many people have waited too long doing it the right way, imo.

See, that there isn't the compromise. That's the hardliner stance. I was with you right up to that point. You have to be willing to give a little. I agree the border needs secured. Then I agree with deporting the bad elements. While that's occurring, I think we have to let those here work towards staying here without living in fear of being deported. That in and of itself can push a normal individual into criminal activity.

 

[atlkvb]

I am not going to be a hypocrite and say I can support these sanctuary cities now when I haven't in the past. But the fact that ICE is deporting everyone illegal they encounter whether or not they committed crimes or take public funds goes against my Christian based values and Trump's campaign promises.

If they're here illegally, they have already committed a crime and they should be deported. If they've also committed other crimes while being here illegally why are we protecting them?

The Left has no defense of this policy and at least you are honest enough to admit that OM1.

 

[atlkvb]

Every remaining alien should register for a Green Card and if they meet the criteria (time in the U.S., have a job, pay a fine, agree to never use government social programs, etc.), they can get that Green Card. But no citizenship since they broke our laws to get here

I'd also add "no voting" to this until or unless legal citizenship status is obtained/established.

I'd even require an English based "civics test" for citizenship applicants to demonstrate both their understanding of and acceptance of our Constitutionally limited form of Government through a representative Republic and separation (co-equal) branches of governing authority...Legislative, Judicial, Executive.

If they don't either pass and/or accept that test (including swearing allegiance to the U.S. and our Flag)...no citizenship and thus no voting.

Hell for that matter, I'd make Americans born here pass that "citizenship test" if I were placed in charge of the way things are run in this country.

 

[atlkvb]

I'm not against sanctuary cities in the basic sense. I'm likewise not against the idea of deporting violent criminals who are here illegally

Then in my opinion you are "parsing" how much of the Law to enforce.

This certainly happens all the time in Law enforcement, but it also leads to a general breakdown in respect of all Law when "selective enforcement" becomes the rule rather than the application of the Law.

We see its deleterious effects across all levels of civil Government...whether by influence, money, politics, or simple negligence...Laws are selectively enforced and applied depending on who the offenders are.

Total prescription for anarchy...which is what we are close to anyway.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

If they're here illegally, they have already committed a crime and they should be deported. If they've also committed other crimes while being here illegally why are we protecting them?

The Left has no defense of this policy and at least you are honest enough to admit that OM1.

I don't care if they are here illegally. If they have been here for 5-10-15 years, work, contribute, and don't commit crimes, I don't care that they are here. We should be looking for ways to expedite the required paperwork and review (per Trump's campaign statements) vs deportation.