Lamar Jackson

[jnewc2_rivals30628]

Dear God, that Heisman Trophy ceremony is going to be a two hour infomercial for Louisville football. They are so far ahead of us at this point that it's not even funny. Them being able to add a Heisman Trophy winner to their list of accomplishments is something that they'll now be able to hang over our heads from now until the end of time (led by the coach who we wouldn't even give an interview). Hard to believe that they were a Conference USA team when Mitch took over our athletics department..now they have a Heisman Trophy winner and are competing for a national championship while we're competing for a .500 record in the worst division in football.

 

[tonyyw]

I really do hope that one of our lbers lay his *** out very early in the game! We will beat that *** if Bolin has to take over! Go CATS!

They had to use Bolin two years ago and beat us easily! So what else do you have to say? Go BBN!

 

[billoliver40]

Young man is a one man team on offense. Should be sitting in the room with the other Heismann candidates. Can't say I care for his team, but watching this guy play is a pleasure.

Can't see how anyone could say he isn't the best single player we will see....perhaps for years.

 

[Pike 96]

They had to use Bolin two years ago and beat us easily! So what else do you have to say? Go BBN!

They won by 4 points two years ago with Bolin. Cleary you are a jackass

 

[LeonThe Camel]

H. Walker was "great", B. Jackson was "great", P. Manning was "great." Jackson's not at that level yet. He's "real good", that better?

I think it is very difficult to compare running backs to quarterbacks. But it is ok to put Manning up against Jackson. And since you brought it up I went and looked.

There are 3 ways to look at Manning's stats. His first 2 years compared to Jackson's first 2 years. Or Manning's 2 best years against Jackson's 2 best years which are his only 2 years. Or the single best season of each.

Regardless, Peyton Manning Passing Stats
1994 89/114, 61.8%, 1141 yards, 11 td, 6 int, 145.2 passer rating
1995 244/380 64.2% 2954 yards, 22 td, 4 int, 146.5 passer rating
1996 243/380 63.9% 3287 yards, 20 td, 12 int, 147.7 passer rating
1997 287/477 60.2% 3819 yards, 36 td, 11 int, 147.7 passer rating

Lamar Jackson passing numbers
2015 135/247 54.7% 1840 yards, 12 td, 8 int, 126.8 passer rating
2016 170/288 59.0% 2753 yards, 26 td, 6 int, 164.9 passer rating

Peyton Manning rushing totals (which also counts sacks)
Career - 153 rushes, minus 181 yards, 12 td

Lamar Jackson rushing totals (which also counts sacks)
Career - 326 rushes, 2143 yards, 30 td

 

[LeonThe Camel]

So he had a great game against the one legit team UL has played (they lost) that doesn't prove greatness, 2 points.
1 if he's great what was peyton manning, John Elway and Dan Marino.
2. If he's great why is he at UL and not a big time program in an big time league?

Not trying to be mean here, but you make our fans look uneducated. Jackson's sophomore year, is equal to Manning's senior season. look athe touchdowns, yards, etc.
The only place Manning has an advantage is the number of passes.

Being differnet style QBs, Jackson still has a higher passer rating.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

Hey man, if you want to come on here and prove you're a moron, you have that right...well done

No need for name calling. Be civil.

 

[HiStepper]

So he had a great game against the one legit team UL has played (they lost) that doesn't prove greatness, 2 points.
1 if he's great what was peyton manning, John Elway and Dan Marino.
2. If he's great why is he at UL and not a big time program in an big time league?

Looks pretty good to me against your greats at the same time in their respective careers. Jackson is not as accurate probably because Petrino has gone more for the bomb.

Class G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate​

1. Manning Soph 11 244 380 64.2 2954 7.8 8.5 22 4 146.5
2. Elway Soph 11 248 379 65.4 2889 7.6 7.7 27 11 164.2
3. Jackson Soph 9 170 288 59.0 2753 9.6 10.4 26 6 164.9
4. Marino Soph 12 116 224 51.8 1609 7.2 5.7 15 14 121.7

 

[Mr Schwump]

I think it is very difficult to compare running backs to quarterbacks. But it is ok to put Manning up against Jackson. And since you brought it up I went and looked.

There are 3 ways to look at Manning's stats. His first 2 years compared to Jackson's first 2 years. Or Manning's 2 best years against Jackson's 2 best years which are his only 2 years. Or the single best season of each.

Regardless, Peyton Manning Passing Stats
1994 89/114, 61.8%, 1141 yards, 11 td, 6 int, 145.2 passer rating
1995 244/380 64.2% 2954 yards, 22 td, 4 int, 146.5 passer rating
1996 243/380 63.9% 3287 yards, 20 td, 12 int, 147.7 passer rating
1997 287/477 60.2% 3819 yards, 36 td, 11 int, 147.7 passer rating

Lamar Jackson passing numbers
2015 135/247 54.7% 1840 yards, 12 td, 8 int, 126.8 passer rating
2016 170/288 59.0% 2753 yards, 26 td, 6 int, 164.9 passer rating

Peyton Manning rushing totals (which also counts sacks)
Career - 153 rushes, minus 181 yards, 12 td

Lamar Jackson rushing totals (which also counts sacks)
Career - 326 rushes, 2143 yards, 30 td

Comparing stats with someone who played in the SEC vs someone playing in the ACC? All righty then.

 

[HiStepper]

Comparing stats with someone who played in the SEC vs someone playing in the ACC? All righty then.

Based on your logic only SEC players should be in the NFL since everybody else outside the SEC does not play against any competition and couldn't be any good.

 

[BMo643]

This idea that someone's stats are somehow diminished if they don't do it in the SEC is really becoming an overplayed argument especially with the current state of the SEC.

 

[red rage 2016]

This idea that someone's stats are somehow diminished if they don't do it in the SEC is really becoming an overplayed argument especially with the current state of the SEC.

Some of the best QB's to ever play the game ddidnt play in the SEC.

 

[Naga Saki]

Some of the best QB's to ever play the game ddidnt play in the SEC.

Joe Montana
Tom Brady
Johnny Unitas
Otto Graham
Roger Staubach
Steve Young
Dan Marino
John Elway
Brett Farve
Peyton Manning

That is a list of arguably the ten greatest QBs of all time, only Manning hails from the SEC. Maybe you add in Fran Tarkenton or Bart Starr, and it gives the SEC 2, but there is really no other QBs from the SEC in the discussion for 10 greatest QBs ever.

 

[jauk11]

I don't know, I'm starting to have my doubts about this Jerry Rice guy.

Yeah, what has he done lately?

 

[jauk11]

Some of the best QB's to ever play the game ddidnt play in the SEC.

Yeah, and Unitas didn't go from UL to stardom, he couldn't make a roster and had to play a year of sandlot ball in Pittsburg to learn how to plsy, LOL.

I really liked Archie, (better person than Peyton IMO) but he got stuck with a louay team------and stuck with them, And Old George (Blanda) had an amazing career toward the end of his day.

 

[red rage 2016]

Yeah, and Unitas didn't go from UL to stardom, he couldn't make a roster and had to play a year of sandlot ball in Pittsburg to learn how to plsy, LOL.

I really liked Archie, (better person than Peyton IMO) but he got stuck with a louay team------and stuck with them, And Old George (Blanda) had an amazing career toward the end of his day.

Unitas wasn't really even given a chance I Pitssburgh as they never gave him any snaps in practice. The Browns tried to pickup Unitas in 1956 but Baltimore got to him first and the rest is history.

Brett Farve of course came out of Sountern Miss and was a 52% passer.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

His " greatness" is debatable as anybody breathing can be great against Charlotte, Marshall, Syracuse, B.C. and the like. If he did in the Big 10 or the SEC what he's done in the ACC then he would be great.

Really? He has already played CU and FSU, made both of those defenses look helpless and both of them are much better than any he would face in the SEC east and the only ones at that level in the west are Bama and LSU. He is much better than Manzeil and the Bama game won him a Heisman.

 

[Michigan Fan]

Really? He has already played CU and FSU, made both of those defenses look helpless and both of them are much better than any he would face in the SEC east and the only ones at that level in the west are Bama and LSU. He is much better than Manzeil and the Bama game won him a Heisman.

Thank You....

You have to wonder how much different the SEC East would look if Florida could have pulled off the Signing Day Flip with Jackson....many feel he was thisclose to going to Gainesville.

 

[CardChipper]

The thing that makes Jackson so lethal is his accuracy. Sure, you can load up the box and spy him, but one-on-one on the outside or the TE's coming over the middle into the open areas is where he differentiates himself from just another scatback QB. He has an exceptional arm, and his accuracy and understanding of defenses is only now becoming apparent. He will be even better next year. Break a few 70 or 60 yard touchdown bombs and the safetys drop back really quick-but by then UL is up 21 points and your offensive (and defensive) gameplan is out the window. Very tough to defend against.

 

[megablue]

Lamar Jackson is a FREAK. He really IS that good !!

 

[Mr Schwump]

Thank You....

You have to wonder how much different the SEC East would look if Florida could have pulled off the Signing Day Flip with Jackson....many feel he was thisclose to going to Gainesville.

If he did indeed pick UL over UF it was a good choice for him. Doesn't have to face SEC defenses 6-8 weeks consecutively.

 

[Michigan Fan]

If he did indeed pick UL over UF it was a good choice for him. Doesn't have to face SEC defenses 6-8 weeks consecutively.

Clemson has a better defense than anyone not named Alabama...and the ACC currently has 6 Top 25 Defenses and he has already faced 3 of them according to the adjusted 2016 NCAA S&P+Ratings

It surprised many that Louisville held on to Jackson....McElwaine and the Gators made a heavy push for him.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22

 

[red rage 2016]

If he did indeed pick UL over UF it was a good choice for him. Doesn't have to face SEC defenses 6-8 weeks consecutively.

Oh give me a break with wouldn't have to play SEC defenses, if Lamar had picked UF then he would have faced a total of 2 Top 50 defenses against UF's schedule.

 

[LeonThe Camel]

Comparing stats with someone who played in the SEC vs someone playing in the ACC? All righty then.

Let me see if I get this right. Unless you play in the SEC or B1G, your stats are meaningless.

And if that is true, then you have to subtract any stats from Bama, LSU, Auburn or Florida unless one of those teams plays the other. Because we know stats are bogus when Bama plays us, Vandy or South Carolina.

Can you let us know which stats we should count and if this is only when a certain team plays another ranked team.

 

[Mr Schwump]

Oh give me a break with wouldn't have to play SEC defenses, if Lamar had picked UF then he would have faced a total of 2 Top 50 defenses against UF's schedule.

Say what you want but it's much different going up against TAM, UGA, UT, Auburn, etc, every week than BC, Syracuse, Duke, Wake week in week out. That's so obvious even you should see that.

 

[Michigan Fan]

Say what you want but it's much different going up against TAM, UGA, UT, Auburn, etc, every week than BC, Syracuse, Duke, Wake week in week out. That's so obvious even you should see that.

He already shredded Texas A&M defense in the Bowl game and had a hellva game against the Aubrun defense as a True Freshman...didn't even know the playbook.

Also, Boston College has for the past 2 years a Top 25 Defense and they was Top 5 last year. Not due so much to great athletes but great coaching especially in 2015 with Don Brown as their D.C.-(Now at Michigan).

Also, as Grumpy said in this thread only LSU & Alabama can compare to Clemson in regards to defense....you saw what he did in Death Valley...295 Passing Yards, 162 Rushing Yards and 3 TD

 

[Mr Schwump]

He already shredded Texas A&M defense in the Bowl game and had a hellva game against the Aubrun defense as a True Freshman...didn't even know the playbook.

Also, Boston College has for the past 2 years a Top 25 Defense and they was Top 5 last year. Not due so much to great athletes but great coaching especially in 2015 with Don Brown as their D.C.-(Now at Michigan).

Also, as Grumpy said in this thread only LSU & Alabama can compare to Clemson in regards to defense....you saw what he did in Death Valley...295 Passing Yards, 162 Rushing Yards and 3 TD

Good for him. He took the path of least resistance and it's working for him, I'm sure you're glad he did.

 

[red rage 2016]

Say what you want but it's much different going up against TAM, UGA, UT, Auburn, etc, every week than BC, Syracuse, Duke, Wake week in week out. That's so obvious even you should see that.

The thing is since we are talking about Lamar and UF, Florida still only plays 2 Top 50 defenses this year in Georgia and LSU. UK actually got the short end of the stick this as they play 4 Top 20 defenses in in Bama, UF, GA and UofL.

 

[red rage 2016]

Good for him. He took the path of least resistance and it's working for him, I'm sure you're glad he did.

So basically what you are saying is no one is a great player unless they play in the SEC which is total BS.

 

[katfanuno]

I think it is very difficult to compare running backs to quarterbacks. But it is ok to put Manning up against Jackson. And since you brought it up I went and looked.

There are 3 ways to look at Manning's stats. His first 2 years compared to Jackson's first 2 years. Or Manning's 2 best years against Jackson's 2 best years which are his only 2 years. Or the single best season of each.

Regardless, Peyton Manning Passing Stats
1994 89/114, 61.8%, 1141 yards, 11 td, 6 int, 145.2 passer rating
1995 244/380 64.2% 2954 yards, 22 td, 4 int, 146.5 passer rating
1996 243/380 63.9% 3287 yards, 20 td, 12 int, 147.7 passer rating
1997 287/477 60.2% 3819 yards, 36 td, 11 int, 147.7 passer rating

Lamar Jackson passing numbers
2015 135/247 54.7% 1840 yards, 12 td, 8 int, 126.8 passer rating
2016 170/288 59.0% 2753 yards, 26 td, 6 int, 164.9 passer rating

Peyton Manning rushing totals (which also counts sacks)
Career - 153 rushes, minus 181 yards, 12 td

Lamar Jackson rushing totals (which also counts sacks)
Career - 326 rushes, 2143 yards, 30 td

Peytons number where in the SEC, Jacksons numbers are against below average trams minus 2. No comparison, give me manning, marino etc any day of the week. If he did this week in against tom 25 d's fine.

 

[Michigan Fan]

Peytons number where in the SEC, Jacksons numbers are against below average trams minus 2. No comparison, give me manning, marino etc any day of the week. If he did this week in against tom 25 d's fine.

He has did this to Top 25 Defenses...3 Top 25 Defense he already shredded to be exact and has another Top 20 Defense coming up @ Houston and Ed Oliver.

 

[Pervis_Griffith]

This thread is awesome.

 

[red rage 2016]

Peytons number where in the SEC, Jacksons numbers are against below average trams minus 2. No comparison, give me manning, marino etc any day of the week. If he did this week in against tom 25 d's fine.

Bret Farve didn't play in the SEC and he seemed to turn out ok. I admit the SEC has some great teams. It it's not the end all be all if it was they wouldn't be like the 4th conference with most Heisman winners.

 

[Mr Schwump]

So basically what you are saying is no one is a great player unless they play in the SEC which is total BS.

I continue to be amazed at the UL toadies who come here seeking the approval of UK fans. Shows they're lacking their own little site to express their views.

 

[katfanuno]

I only see 1 top 25 defense, a second coming in wake and a top 30 in Houston. Per the NCAA stats your wrong.

Total Passing Rushing Receiving Filter:
Team G Pts/G Yds/G PassYds RushYds Int IntTD
Michigan 9 10.7 246.3 1250 967 10 2
Alabama 9 13.2 257.9 1727 594 9 4
Wisconsin 9 13.8 302.8 1814 911 10 0
Ohio St. 9 13.8 285.3 1495 1073 14 6
Florida 8 14.1 268.1 1183 962 11 3
LSU 8 14.4 315.0 1575 945 7 1
S. Diego St. 9 15.1 273.2 1685 774 16 4
Clemson 9 15.7 312.9 1621 1195 15 2
Auburn 9 16.0 356.3 2074 1133 6 0
Appalachian St. 9 16.9 322.3 1951 950 16 1
Washington 9 17.0 329.8 1637 1331 10 1
Colorado 9 17.2 296.9 1614 1058 12 1
Army 9 18.1 286.4 1499 1079 12 0
Wake Forest 9 18.4 369.7 2149 1178 11 2
Stanford 9 18.6 345.9 1836 1277 10 2
W. Michigan 9 19.3 369.0 1967 1354 11 3
Miami (FL) 9 19.9 361.1 1912 1338 7 0
Virginia Tech 9 20.2 327.4 1815 1132 10 0
Temple 10 20.4 291.4 1542 1372 8 0
West Virginia 8 20.6 394.0 1966 1186 9 1
Louisville 9 21.2 293.1 1684 954 12 0
South Carolina 9 21.2 391.7 1748 1777 12 0
Iowa 9 21.3 402.0 2029 1589 5 1
Troy 8 21.3 375.1 2219 782 15 0
Texas A&M 9 21.4 440.7 2189 1777 11 0
Vanderbilt 9 21.6 396.7 2038 1532 5 0
Houston 9 21.7 299.1 1864 828 7 2
Nov 5, 2016

 

[Michigan Fan]

NCAA S&P adjusted to Schedule Strength

Team Def. S&P+ Rk Rushing
S&P+ Rk Passing
S&P+ Rk SD
S&P+ Rk PD
S&P+ Rk Success
Rt+ Rk IsoPPP+ Rk
Michigan 4.1 1 165.3 2 181.0 1 153.3 1 199.1 2 171.9 2 170.5 2
Alabama 6.8 2 180.6 1 170.3 2 150.2 2 230.1 1 177.8 1 173.7 1
Wisconsin 12.2 3 128.9 9 130.1 6 128.4 7 128.5 13 122.6 10 136.9 4
Clemson 12.4 4 111.1 32 150.0 3 116.3 18 168.0 4 130.9 4 129.3 6
LSU 13.5 5 137.4 6 143.8 4 135.7 3 154.7 6 143.6 3 140.7 3
Florida 13.5 6 124.2 12 129.3 7 132.5 4 112.9 36 129.6 5 126.2 7
Ohio State 14.5 7 118.3 18 133.3 5 129.8 5 120.3 18 126.9 6 126.1 8
Colorado 16.9 8 124.9 11 120.1 12 115.0 19 141.2 7 124.6 8 122.1 13
Louisville 17.2 9 110.2 37 114.9 20 117.5 14 112.6 37 116.7 20 117.8 18
San Diego State 17.7 10 142.6 3 106.9 41 114.3 23 131.9 10 116.1 23 123.7 10
Virginia Tech 18.6 11 106.1 47 126.1 9 102.2 55 161.9 5 115.5 24 120.0 14
Washington 18.9 12 116.6 21 122.2 11 120.0 13 121.6 17 105.3 45 130.4 5
Auburn 19.0 13 124.1 13 115.6 19 127.7 8 103.2 56 115.3 25 124.0 9
Temple 19.2 14 105.5 49 119.8 13 113.3 25 111.5 38 106.3 38 115.4 20
Penn State 19.9 15 118.3 17 119.8 14 116.8 16 119.4 23 124.0 9 114.5 23
Appalachian State 19.9 16 110.8 33 112.5 27 106.5 36 118.1 28 106.8 36 112.7 25
Stanford 20.8 17 112.8 28 116.0 18 124.7 10 103.9 55 122.3 11 115.4 21
NC State 21.3 18 129.9 8 113.3 26 120.7 11 117.2 29 118.5 14 122.7 12
Houston 21.4 19 122.8 16 110.2 34 104.6 43 136.2 8 116.9 19 112.4 26
Miami-FL 21.7 20 113.1 27 127.8 8 116.7 17 118.4 26 117.9 16 120.0 15
Central Florida 22.1 21 100.2 64 114.3 23 102.6 51 119.3 24 106.2 40 107.8 41
UCLA 22.2 22 114.2 24 123.9 10 114.7 22 133.4 9 116.6 21 123.4 11
USC 22.2 23 123.7 15 114.9 21 117.4 15 118.2 27 120.7 12 115.7 19
Northwestern 22.9 24 113.4 26 113.7 24 105.0 42 129.6 11 110.7 29 113.9 24
Boston College 23.1 25 142.1 4

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaadef

NCAA Official

Total Defense
Last updated - November 6, 2016 Through games of November 5, 2016

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RANK TEAM G PLAYS YDS YDS/PLAY OFF TDS OPP TDS YPG

RANK TEAM G PLAYS YDS YDS/PLAY OFF TDS OPP TDS YPG
1 Michigan 9 531 2217 4.18 11 12 246.3
2 Alabama 9 571 2321 4.06 12 13 257.9
3 Florida 8 493 2145 4.35 13 14 268.1
4 San Diego St. 9 571 2459 4.31 16 18 273.2
5 Ohio St. 9 595 2568 4.32 10 13 285.3
6 Army West Point 9 509 2578 5.06 20 21 286.4
7 Temple 10 614 2914 4.75 24 27 291.4
8 Louisville 9 600 2638 4.40 24 26 293.1
9 Colorado 9 598 2672 4.47 16 18 296.9
10 Houston 9 575 2692 4.68 23 24 299.1
11 Wisconsin 9 576 2725 4.73 11 13 302.8
12 Clemson 9 632 2816 4.46 16 17 312.9
13 LSU 8 553 2520 4.56 9 9 315.0
14 Appalachian St. 9 600 2901 4.84 16 17 322.3
15 Boston College 9 549 2903 5.29 31 32 322.6
16 Georgia 9 566 2917 5.15 27 30 324.1
17 Virginia Tech 9 613 2947 4.81 23 24 327.4
18 Washington 9 642 2968 4.62 19 19 329.8
19 Air Force 9 579 3014 5.21 28 29 334.9
20 Southern Miss. 9 507 3019 5.95 33 34 335.4
21 Miami (OH) 10 656 3442 5.25 30 32 344.2
22 Stanford 9 575 3113 5.41 20 20 345.9
23 Minnesota 9 659 3156 4.79 24 25 350.7
- Kent St. 9 629 3156 5.02 26 29 350.7
25 Auburn 9 637

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22

 

[red rage 2016]

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22

I only see 1 top 25 defense, a second coming in wake and a top 30 in Houston. Per the NCAA stats your wrong.

Total Passing Rushing Receiving Filter:
Team G Pts/G Yds/G PassYds RushYds Int IntTD
Michigan 9 10.7 246.3 1250 967 10 2
Alabama 9 13.2 257.9 1727 594 9 4
Wisconsin 9 13.8 302.8 1814 911 10 0
Ohio St. 9 13.8 285.3 1495 1073 14 6
Florida 8 14.1 268.1 1183 962 11 3
LSU 8 14.4 315.0 1575 945 7 1
S. Diego St. 9 15.1 273.2 1685 774 16 4
Clemson 9 15.7 312.9 1621 1195 15 2
Auburn 9 16.0 356.3 2074 1133 6 0
Appalachian St. 9 16.9 322.3 1951 950 16 1
Washington 9 17.0 329.8 1637 1331 10 1
Colorado 9 17.2 296.9 1614 1058 12 1
Army 9 18.1 286.4 1499 1079 12 0
Wake Forest 9 18.4 369.7 2149 1178 11 2
Stanford 9 18.6 345.9 1836 1277 10 2
W. Michigan 9 19.3 369.0 1967 1354 11 3
Miami (FL) 9 19.9 361.1 1912 1338 7 0
Virginia Tech 9 20.2 327.4 1815 1132 10 0
Temple 10 20.4 291.4 1542 1372 8 0
West Virginia 8 20.6 394.0 1966 1186 9 1
Louisville 9 21.2 293.1 1684 954 12 0
South Carolina 9 21.2 391.7 1748 1777 12 0
Iowa 9 21.3 402.0 2029 1589 5 1
Troy 8 21.3 375.1 2219 782 15 0
Texas A&M 9 21.4 440.7 2189 1777 11 0
Vanderbilt 9 21.6 396.7 2038 1532 5 0
Houston 9 21.7 299.1 1864 828 7 2
Nov 5, 2016

NCAA.com shows BC, Clemson and Houston so you are wrong

 

[Michigan Fan]

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22NCAA.com shows BC, Clemson and Houston so you are wrong

Don't know whIch one he used and NC State came in at 26th....

 

[red rage 2016]

Don't know whIch one he used and NC State came in at 26th....

I didn't go that far down

 

[Michigan Fan]

What is remarkable is by the adjusted S&P Defensive Ratings and the Raw Numbers BC is above Georgia in Total Defense...