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[PSUHarry]

Drew's problems have more to do with the amount of time it takes him to make a read.... and the quality of the read he ultimately makes... then AK. The play last Saturday where Drew butchered his read directly off the snap (Kyron Hudson ran a Flag Pattern from the left-slot and immediately broke open and was running by himself 15 yards behind the closest defender as the Villanova secondary blew their matchup coverage assignments), then took forever to go through additional reads in a panicked fashion to the point where he began to feel pressure, when the ball should have been out long prior (it had zero to do with the OL or pressure) and then he finally chooses to throw it to the TE on the sideline where the defender has near insurmountable inside-out leverage was a MICROCOSM of Drew's problems at QB.

Drew's best throw of the entire game is also instructive - the throw to Trebor Pena running a Skinny Post just prior to halftime. Drew made the CORRECT read off the snap, saw that Pena had "inside leverage" on the DB (i.e., advantage receiver on a Skinny Post) - he immediately committed to the correct throw (a heater), got the ball out quickly.... made a great throw and threw a TD pass.

Against Oregon, Drew is going to need to take off after 3 to 4 seconds in the pocket if he has not committed to something.... he should keep his eyes downfield and throw on the move if something breaks open, but he has to stop sitting in the pocket with happy feet and patting the ball for an eternity until pressure develops.... and then throwing extremely late to 3rd and 4th reads that are no longer open by the time he throws it. If Drew takes off after 3 or 4 seconds, it will put far more pressure on the defense as he now has the addition option of threatening the defense by just continuing to run which often will allow receivers to break open late as the defense breaks down trying to address the QB in the open field.

In essence, Drew does not "extend plays" like great QBs do, but rather just "delays" plays/reads with no meaningful improvement.

I’ve found his throws on the run out of the pocket very accurate and impressive the first 3 games. He hasn’t done it a lot but seems he typically has success.

I find this interesting that he’s able to do this under some duress. He’s pretty accurate on the run. Gets his hips squared up.

I want to see the Drew who threw the TD against Oregon last year when he stepped up in the pocket and threw a laser with a tackler hanging on him.

That’s the baller I want to see.

 

[cntblvitsbutter]

Did you complain when ak was hired?

If allar was such a bad fit then what was your prediction for psu last year and this year?

Pay me $8mm and I'll tell you.

 

[cntblvitsbutter]

But Moorhead's office wasn't really quick tempo. They'd get up to the LOS right away then look over to the sideline to get a play, then get set, then look over again, then change the play, then hand off to Saquon 5 yards deep at a stand still.

Ah, good times!

 

[m.knox]

And you're obsessed

I am amused at your level of human stupidity. Who doesn't slow down and look at a car wreck?

Learn the difference.

 

[KingLando]

I am amused at your level of human stupidity. Who doesn't slow down and look at a car wreck?

Learn the difference.

You didn't slow down. You came to a stop, waited to see everything that happened, then followed them around for years. If you had just slowed down you'd have moved on.

It's amazing how hard you work to only post about me.

 

[bbrown]

But Moorhead's office wasn't really quick tempo. They'd get up to the LOS right away then look over to the sideline to get a play, then get set, then look over again, then change the play, then hand off to Saquon 5 yards deep at a stand still.

Yea that poster needs to go back and look at some of the discussions that were on going about the pace and mesh point.

 

[Nitt1300]

The day of the drop back "pro style" QB are over. Defenses are too quick for 70s style offenses. Look at the best QBs in the NFL- they all can (and do) run effectively to supplement the passing game.

I think Drew could become of those guys, but his approach has to change.

 

[Erial_Lion]

The day of the drop back "pro style" QB are over. Defenses are too quick for 70s style offenses. Look at the best QBs in the NFL- they all can (and do) run effectively to supplement the passing game.

I think Drew could become of those guys, but his approach has to change.

Tom Brady ran for 3 yards/game in his career. I have no doubt that he could be successful today (25/35 year old Tom, not the 45+ year old version).

 

[ApexLion]

Imagine losing Allar for the season running in one of the first 3 games. It would have sent the BWICAC into emergency executive session. LOL

True but in Grunk we trust

 

[Nitt1300]

Tom Brady ran for 3 yards/game in his career. I have no doubt that he could be successful today (25/35 year old Tom, not the 45+ year old version).

there is always an outlier

 

[Marshall2323]

True but in Grunk we trust

Read these posts......we don't trust anyone. LOL

 

[ApexLion]

Read these posts......we don't trust anyone. LOL

We do until we don't @Marshall2323

 

[thoss]

I watched a piece by this guy yesterday. He did a very interesting analysis of QB play and concludes that Kotelnicki's scheme and Allar's skill set are at odds. He cited two minute drills where Penn State goes to pretty much a spread offense where Allar's skill set shines. He contrasted this with the second half of the Wisconsin game from last year where Pribula shined due to his skill set matching Kotelnicki's scheme. It was an interesting presentation

I really like him a lot. He is perceptive and well informed and he's willing to be fairly brutally honest -- he calls it as he sees it. You don't have to always agree with Landon to appreciate his videos - he's always interesting.

The idea that Kotelnicki's schemes aren't ideal for Allar is very interesting. Allar does look most comfortable in the 2 minute -- you wonder why they don't just run the 2-minute all the time.

I kind of disagree with Landon about Allar though. He's an NFL prospect in the same way Hack was an NFL prospect -- a big tall big-armed guy who is going to get tried out and the team will find out he's not consistent enough or quick thinking enough for NFL football.

 

[Connorpozlee]

We do until we don't @Marshall2323

We do until they play!

 

[WaffleShopper]

I really like him a lot. He is perceptive and well informed and he's willing to be fairly brutally honest -- he calls it as he sees it. You don't have to always agree with Landon to appreciate his videos - he's always interesting.

The idea that Kotelnicki's schemes aren't ideal for Allar is very interesting. Allar does look most comfortable in the 2 minute -- you wonder why they don't just run the 2-minute all the time.

I kind of disagree with Landon about Allar though. He's an NFL prospect in the same way Hack was an NFL prospect -- a big tall big-armed guy who is going to get tried out and the team will find out he's not consistent enough or quick thinking enough for NFL football.

I agree about Landon. But nobody really knows how Drew will do in the NFL. We see the Hack similarities because of Drew’s inconsistent mechanics and missing the occasional easy throw. People make the NFL Tom Brady comparison, but looking at the Michigan Tom Brady vs Drew is interesting.

Brady:
29 gms, 61.9 comp%, 164.6 pass yd/gm, 1.0/0.6 TD/INT per gm, -1.7 rush yd/c
Allar:
42 gms, 63.1 comp%, 165.0 pass yd/gm, 1.4/0.3 TD/INT per gm, +3.0 rush yd/c

Hard to compare apples to apples with the different offenses and surrounding talent, but Drew is slightly better in every stat and he is a more talented athlete. He may not figure it out by the end of the year, but if an NFL coach can rewire his brain and get him to flip that switch, then he could be great.

 

[ChandlerPearce58]

No, he is good, but he's also creating content for clicks.

I am not as astute

There is a big distinction between a running QB that can throw and a QB that is primarily a passer but is able to run. I think Franklin prefers the latter. It's been about a decade since a true running QB has won a NC. No?

The only dual threat qb to win a NC lately might be JJ at Michigan? If you consider him a true dual threat.

 

[Ludd]

But Moorhead's office wasn't really quick tempo. They'd get up to the LOS right away then look over to the sideline to get a play, then get set, then look over again, then change the play, then hand off to Saquon 5 yards deep at a stand still.

And it resulted in averages of 37 points per game and 41. But I know, when we do poorly it’s the coach’s fault and when we do well it’s because of the players.

 

[KingLando]

I really like him a lot. He is perceptive and well informed and he's willing to be fairly brutally honest -- he calls it as he sees it. You don't have to always agree with Landon to appreciate his videos - he's always interesting.

The idea that Kotelnicki's schemes aren't ideal for Allar is very interesting. Allar does look most comfortable in the 2 minute -- you wonder why they don't just run the 2-minute all the time.

I kind of disagree with Landon about Allar though. He's an NFL prospect in the same way Hack was an NFL prospect -- a big tall big-armed guy who is going to get tried out and the team will find out he's not consistent enough or quick thinking enough for NFL football.

There's nothing similar between him and Hack smh

 

[bbrown]

There's nothing similar between him and Hack smh

Well, they are both white, tall, big arms, play for Penn State and have never been in my kitchen.

 

[PSUJam]

The day of the drop back "pro style" QB are over. Defenses are too quick for 70s style offenses. Look at the best QBs in the NFL- they all can (and do) run effectively to supplement the passing game.

I think Drew could become of those guys, but his approach has to change.

I think Drew was told not to run in the first 3 games and they really didn't call many designed runs to save him for the meat of the schedule starting next game.

 

[bbrown]

I think Drew was told not to run in the first 3 games and they really didn't call many designed runs to save him for the meat of the schedule starting next game.

I think he was told not to run at all after the Nevada game and with good reason. It hasn't been needed. That changes in a week and a half.

 

[Moogy]

I agree about Landon. But nobody really knows how Drew will do in the NFL. We see the Hack similarities because of Drew’s inconsistent mechanics and missing the occasional easy throw. People make the NFL Tom Brady comparison, but looking at the Michigan Tom Brady vs Drew is interesting.

Brady:
29 gms, 61.9 comp%, 164.6 pass yd/gm, 1.0/0.6 TD/INT per gm, -1.7 rush yd/c
Allar:
42 gms, 63.1 comp%, 165.0 pass yd/gm, 1.4/0.3 TD/INT per gm, +3.0 rush yd/c

Hard to compare apples to apples with the different offenses and surrounding talent, but Drew is slightly better in every stat and he is a more talented athlete. He may not figure it out by the end of the year, but if an NFL coach can rewire his brain and get him to flip that switch, then he could be great.

Different eras. Today's offenses are much better and prolific.

Regardless, what would this tell us, even if it was apples to apples? That Allar should be a guy who struggled to obtain and maintain a starting role, and should be drafted LATE in the draft, if at all?

There have been hundreds of QBs who have posted better career stat lines than Brady, and most of them have been much of nothing in the NFL.

There's nothing to be gained from this comparative.

 

[DaytonRickster]

I really like him a lot. He is perceptive and well informed and he's willing to be fairly brutally honest -- he calls it as he sees it. You don't have to always agree with Landon to appreciate his videos - he's always interesting.

The idea that Kotelnicki's schemes aren't ideal for Allar is very interesting. Allar does look most comfortable in the 2 minute -- you wonder why they don't just run the 2-minute all the time.

I kind of disagree with Landon about Allar though. He's an NFL prospect in the same way Hack was an NFL prospect -- a big tall big-armed guy who is going to get tried out and the team will find out he's not consistent enough or quick thinking enough for NFL football.

Running a constant up tempo takes stamina on the part of the OL, very quick play calling by the OC, and close coordination of substitutions.

 

[JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws]

Tom Brady ran for 3 yards/game in his career. I have no doubt that he could be successful today (25/35 year old Tom, not the 45+ year old version).

Brady, much like Marino, extended plays and brought time with extremely fast processing of the post-snap defense and an extremely fast release. I would say these are the two biggest knocks on Drew - takes too long to make reads coupled with a relatively slow release... - net-net takes way too long to make a decision and get the ball out sometimes.

 

[PSUFTG]

Running a constant up tempo takes stamina on the part of the OL, very quick play calling by the OC, and close coordination of substitutions.

All legitimate points.

But every one of those points is far MORE taxing on the defense - for any number of reasons.

 

[PSUHarry]

I am not as astute

The only dual threat qb to win a NC lately might be JJ at Michigan? If you consider him a true dual threat.

Right now he’s not too much of a threat of anything in the NFL with that Viking offensive line but I love his aggressiveness. I think he has “it”. He’s out for a few weeks with a high ankle sprain but watch him later when he’s back. Guy steps into his throws well. I think he’s gonna be a good one. And I kind of hate that.

 

[Marshall2323]

I am not as astute

The only dual threat qb to win a NC lately might be JJ at Michigan? If you consider him a true dual threat.

I checked his stats...he didn't run much. Hurts was the last. 850 yards. I believe.

 

[Moogy]

Right now he’s not too much of a threat of anything in the NFL with that Viking offensive line but I love his aggressiveness. I think he has “it”. He’s out for a few weeks with a high ankle sprain but watch him later when he’s back. Guy steps into his throws well. I think he’s gonna be a good one. And I kind of hate that.

If by "it" you mean the propensity to get hurt and the inability to QB when healthy ... I agree. Guy has been healthy for less than 2 games in a year+ and he's stunk when he did play. Everyone got excited with the one quarter against the sieve of a defense in Chicago ... but that was mostly the running game and short(er) fields.

 

[s1uggo72]

I checked his stats...he didn't run much. Hurts was the last. 850 yards. I believe.

Duh. You haven’t been paying attention hurts isn’t dual threat. He can’t throw. Just ask Anybody in Philly

 

[PSUHarry]

If by "it" you mean the propensity to get hurt and the inability to QB when healthy ... I agree. Guy has been healthy for less than 2 games in a year+ and he's stunk when he did play. Everyone got excited with the one quarter against the sieve of a defense in Chicago ... but that was mostly the running game and short(er) fields.

Ok got it.