Spot on, the extremes of both parties continue to dry eff this nation.
Let’s Chill With the Politics, and Look at Numbers and THINK!
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Spot on, the extremes of both parties continue to dry eff this nation.
My view is that in times like this we need to put politics aside. I am not a Trump fan, but I want him to do the best job possible managing this crisis on behalf of all of us. I’m following the guidelines he’s ask me to. When we’re on the other side of this then we can get back to the blame game.
I think the people I feel most for, is anyone who was getting married in the next few months. Talk about being totally screwed over. Two friends have already cancelled their weddings and have no options in sight, as most weddings book out more than a year in advanced...
I mean, yes. Sure hah. And anyone who is battling illness.
But for just normal folks. Having this happen right before your wedding day is disastrous.
We are at war...it's time to switch industries over from peacetime to wartime like production like Roosevelt did during WWII.
Instead of building tanks, planes and munitions, like we did in the 1940's, we need to switch our focus and with it our economy
over to the manufacturing of the necessary supplies and goods needed to survive. It's two fold, it creates manufacturing jobs and
will be a critical pipeline.
Some distilleries are already stepping up and producing sanitizer.
Instead of building tanks, planes and munitions, like we did in the 1940's, we need to switch our focus and with it our economy
over to the manufacturing of the necessary supplies and goods needed to survive. It's two fold, it creates manufacturing jobs and
will be a critical pipeline.
Some distilleries are already stepping up and producing sanitizer.
Yep. I’m with you on that.
And some are not a fan of the new Gov., but we’d be best advised that all of our leaders be blessed with wisdom in these days.
That's where I trained and and did my clinicals.Here are some “solid” numbers quotes I found on ventilator numbers:
“The latest study available estimates there are about 62,000 ventilators in hospitals nationwide. That figure is seven years old — so the actual number could be higher.
There are also some machines in federally stockpiled emergency supplies, though the exact number isn't public.
"There is a strategic national stockpile of ventilators, but the numbers are classified," says Toner. It's been "publicly stated," he says, that there are about 10,000 ventilators in the national stockpile. "That number might be a bit outdated, but it's probably about right," he says. Other estimates range from 4,000 to somewhat less than 10,000.
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While any extra ventilators would be an important addition, Toner says it likely wouldn't be enough to sustain the entire country through an experience like that seen in Wuhan, China.”
Another factor: many of our ventilators are already in use. In Mt. Vernon, Kentucky, the local hospital permanently houses hundreds of patients who are on permanent ventilation from spinal cord injuries and disease.
We are expecting our first great grand child in late June.......keeping fingers crossed......
I was on the side that thought it was a media scare but as much as I thought closing things was unnecessary I have became a believer. KY has taken steps to close clubs, restaurants, barber shops, bingo, etc. In the meantime Tennessee has done nothing. On March 11th they had the same number of cases and as of Tuesday they had around 50 more cases. While 50 cases may not seem like many if those 50 people have had contact with even 10 people while infected and are able to go anywhere they want it will jump to 500 and those 500 will jump to 5,000 and so on.
The sleep doctor I go to is a pulmonologist and she put out a statement that it was similar to a tornado. With a watch everything is favorable for a tornado but with a warning one has been spotted and if you do not seek shelter you may lose your life. She said this is a warning not a watch and to take action to protect yourself and your loved ones. I have heard too many other doctors saying the same things to not take it serious.
The sleep doctor I go to is a pulmonologist and she put out a statement that it was similar to a tornado. With a watch everything is favorable for a tornado but with a warning one has been spotted and if you do not seek shelter you may lose your life. She said this is a warning not a watch and to take action to protect yourself and your loved ones. I have heard too many other doctors saying the same things to not take it serious.
My friend is a RT and he has been getting contacted about helping in problem areas. Have you been noticing that as well?
Most will get it. Some will absolutely get sick. A very small percentage of them will die. I don't think anyone disputes that.
The dispute is about the drastic action taken vs the small percentage of fallout.
The issue is the ability to take care of those that do get it and need medical care but there just isn't enough dr's, rt's and machines. That is a serious concern so the best way is to limit the number who get it.
My wife is a RT at Kindred......they have been understaffed and over worked for months.....it is not unusual for them to have 16-20 patients.......someone will not get all of their treatments.......many days she never takes a break or lunch time.........so if they do find more ventilators they will have to wave a wand and produce more RTs.....
If you want to limit who gets it - that's just not possible and not even the goal of "flatten the curve".
And that's just one factor. Just assume we all get it. It's almost that certain. The number of people so far who needed critical care isn't anything near what leaders were told. The mortality rate is much lower than leaders were told.
Does this warrant the complete destruction if the economy?
The percentages are all over the map, and will only be “known” a year or more down the road.
Regarding the economy, if the worst scenario plays out, overcrowding of our hospitals with everyone’s grandparents would have likely damaged the economy as badly as the draconian measures.
Unfortunately, the measures taken might well fail to lower the spike in cases, anyhow, and “unholy triage” might come to all our hospitals.
Google “Corona Virus Italy” and read about a region that drug it’s feet even worse than we did: bodies are stacking up at morgues and hospitals.
The morality rate of people 60+ is rather high.
Then you have states that have high rates of preexisting conditions such has heart disease, diabetes and smoking related illnesses.
Went out to forage for food yesterday at Kroger. Several seniors was out and then you have people dragging their kids with them. Along with a young couple with a 2-3 year old that was crying and coughing.
I just hope we can slow it down till a vaccine is found.
Dread to see coffin convoys such as Italy.
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The morality rate of people 60+ is rather high.
Then you have states that have high rates of preexisting conditions such has heart disease, diabetes and smoking related illnesses.
Went out to forage for food yesterday at Kroger. Several seniors was out and then you have people dragging their kids with them. Along with a young couple with a 2-3 year old that was crying and coughing.
I just hope we can slow it down till a vaccine is found.
Dread to see coffin convoys such as Italy.
The Italy narrative is nothing more than panic porn. What happened in Germany? Their results can't get a whisper of mention in either msm or social media.
The number of cases here will rise not because exponentially more people are getting it. But because we are testing more. Millions already had this thing but just went undiagnosed. If we were going to be Italy, we'd already know.
At some point the imperial college modeling should be forced to include Germany. That way we can end this lockdown while we still have an economy we can salvage. There is a need to protect people but it must be balanced with economic need. Right now we have WAY too much of one and barely any of the other
They have a much lower rate of death, but they are in the first 14 days of the fight and a disproportionate number of their cases have tended to be young, having returned from trips abroad, particularly skiing trips.
A good return question would be what happened to the Italian-descent family in New Jersey where at least 4 of 17 who attended a family function have died and more are on respirators.
In a year, we might find that certain groups suffered a higher death rate than others, and questions/comparisons will be drawn comparing health care systems and genetic trends; as for me, I’m wondering how the Scotch-Irish among us will fair, but maybe that’s just me!
One can say how many deaths have been untested or tests yet to come back?
The recent death in KY happened on the 13th and they just got confirmation of COVID-19.
“The sheer numbers of people succumbing to the coronavirus is overwhelming every hospital in northern Italy - and it could easily overwhelm the rest of the country as well.”
Perhaps Italy is “panic porn,” but masturbation is of little concern to their health professionals, at present.
Then have vulnerable shelter in place. The rest of the nonsense lifted. If it somehow effects Italians more, they can decide what they want to do.
That covers all bases and should've been the plan from day 1
There are more to be sure. But the mortality rate is miniscule. Millions already had it.
I hope you are right. In my home town/county a light flu-like virus passed through in December, and I know of no one who got tested for flu. Some think it might have been the first wave.
I really think that and I think it's a sound position. As recent as a few weeks ago, stories were run about an oddly resurgent flu season now in it's second round.
Also consider the near certainty China was in outbreak in probably October if not sooner. Their first confirmed case was in November 17. So that means they already knew what it was to ID it. Combined with China's overall deception in this ordeal, I think this enough to conclude the above.
If it was there that much earlier, it was almost surely here that much earlier. Which brings us back to the beginning.
Hopefully our leaders eventually consider this very real likelihood in future modelling. Because undoubtedly this lock down is slowing the spread, but it's coming at too great the cost. Once they can factor in we are much later in the outbreak than they thought, hopefully life will return to normal while we still have any economic hope
Every one has a story. I am suppose to move to Florida next week! Just hoping we don't close the roads down to non essential traffic. My house closing is Wednesday. I could be homeless in the middle of all this I suppose. Crazy!!
Safe travels. Give my regards to Willy. TIA.
The numbers on Worldometers are menacing. Worldwide, for six days in a row, both diagnosed cases and deaths have grown at an exponential rate. More than half of all deaths, worldwide, since the beginning of the illness, have occurred in just the last 6 days.
Germany, so far, stands alone in reporting a minuscule death rate, but has had few elderly cases, and is gearing up for them. Germany has edged the US for the 4th most diagnosed cases.
Spanish and Italian hospitals are swamped, and there have been more deaths in Italy, now, than have occurred in China.
Tennessee has 4.5 times the cases that Kentucky has had, and is still dragging their feet on closures.
New York looks like the likeliest local for a Lombardi-style fiasco, and there are fears of running low on medical supplies in the next three days.
Germany, so far, stands alone in reporting a minuscule death rate, but has had few elderly cases, and is gearing up for them. Germany has edged the US for the 4th most diagnosed cases.
Spanish and Italian hospitals are swamped, and there have been more deaths in Italy, now, than have occurred in China.
Tennessee has 4.5 times the cases that Kentucky has had, and is still dragging their feet on closures.
New York looks like the likeliest local for a Lombardi-style fiasco, and there are fears of running low on medical supplies in the next three days.
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What in the hell did you just say. Please translate in English or Hillbilly either one will work for me.
As of yesterday, Italy was showing over 47k cases and over 4000 deaths. At the rate we are trending when we reach the same number of confirmed cases Italy had yesterday we will have only around 615 deaths give or take. So we will see how fast things progress.
the sad thing is, if this whole CV thing was never brought up, these numbers would be absolutely lost in the flu numbers. They would be a small fraction of the overall flu numbers.
Are there still in pay phones to stay away from? Let me know where one is and I’ll stay away.