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How many classifications should we have ?


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TD-FridayNight

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Place your vote on classifications and send a message to the NCHCAA.
See if they will listen ? :rolleyes: It's really to see what we agree on. Tell us why each will or will not work ?
 
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Now teams will be getting a level and fair playing field.
I'm not sure of that for football. We have 67 1a teams now. If the go to football only realignment then we will have 64 teams.

If they take the smallest 64 even the schools without football then yes it will be but how many schools would have football?
15 or 20.

1a is a different animal and should be divided differently.
 

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With their idea I think 1A and 2A would be combined for football. Would be similar to what we have now. 128 teams, we have 105 now. Get back some of the smaller 2A now, like East Carteret with 534.
 

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Morning everyone,
IMO we have to stop thinking about realignment and classes from a football-only standpoint. We have to take into consideration all the sports across the board. Geography and population density play a huge factor in NC. The more equality that we can create across the board FOR ALL SPORTS is what's best for all the student-athletes across NC. We all love football, Lord knows I do, but it's time for basketball, baseball, softball, and every other sport to get the same number of champions. I can speak from experience, you will be just as happy if your respective school wins a title in any sport whether it's called 1a, 2a, Division 3, or the Big 7. A title at any level is something for every community and school to be proud of. Lastly, if we will remember to do what's best for kids and care less about what the adults want, athletics as a whole in NC will be a lot better.
 

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6A would be the best......a school with 514-520 going against a school with 210 may not be fair for some

6A would be the best......a school with 514-520 going against a school with 210 may not be fair for some...
with 7 classes that would not happen. The cut line for 1a would be somewhere in the high 300s, right around 400. 515 would be in the 2a class with a cutoff around 620.
 
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6A would be the best......a school with 514-520 going against a school with 210 may not be fair for some...
Schools with 670 are in 1a now
with 7 classes that would not happen. The cut line for 1a would be somewhere in the high 300s, right around 400. 515 would be in the 2a class with a cutoff around 620.
How you figure?
I don't think that anywhere close
 
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With their idea I think 1A and 2A would be combined for football. Would be similar to what we have now. 128 teams, we have 105 now. Get back some of the smaller 2A now, like East Carteret with 534.
I don't think so.
They might combine wrestling or golf but not football
 

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I think the vote is only for 7A classes not option on others. Its like its set up to fail anyway. I may be wrong.
 
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Morning everyone,
IMO we have to stop thinking about realignment and classes from a football-only standpoint. We have to take into consideration all the sports across the board. Geography and population density play a huge factor in NC. The more equality that we can create across the board FOR ALL SPORTS is what's best for all the student-athletes across NC. We all love football, Lord knows I do, but it's time for basketball, baseball, softball, and every other sport to get the same number of champions. I can speak from experience, you will be just as happy if your respective school wins a title in any sport whether it's called 1a, 2a, Division 3, or the Big 7. A title at any level is something for every community and school to be proud of. Lastly, if we will remember to do what's best for kids and care less about what the adults want, athletics as a whole in NC will be a lot better.
Me and my AD was just talking about this yesterday..... It wasn't fair that football got split classifications, but baseball had to play a straight 1a school with no split, that could have been a lot bigger in numbers....
 
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How could that be if they want 64 in each class.
We have 67 football teams in 1a now. So it will be about the same for 1a but better for the other classes.

Now if NCHSAA will go 48 in 1a the cut off might be around 500/550
 

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Me and my AD was just talking about this yesterday..... It wasn't fair that football got split classifications, but baseball had to play a straight 1a school with no split, that could have been a lot bigger in numbers....
This is what TN does for a example. They go to 6a for football only. Your conference might change for other sports. They just had a new cycle for sports.

 
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How could that be if they want 64 in each class.
We have 67 football teams in 1a now. So it will be about the same for 1a but better for the other classes.

Now if NCHSAA will go 48 in 1a the cut off might be around 500/550
There are a number of questions that still have to be answered. IMO, playoffs are too long now and need to be shortened by a week. This also reduces overlap with basketball. In some states, the lower classes have smaller brackets due to fewer qualifiers. Obviously, if we take out the non-football-playing schools that ADM number could change. There is also talk that you could be 1 class in say Football and another class in Basketball or Baseball b/c there are obviously more schools with those sports. 7 may not be perfect, but it's better than the 4 we have now, and the proposal that will be voted on allows for additional classes as our state continues to grow. I think I read that we have a larger population than Alabama, GA, SC, and Virginia. Those states have 7a, 6a, and 5a. Thus, it only makes sense that a state with a larger population and more schools would want to create ADM equity by creating more classes.
 
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basehittin2

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Football needs split. Not so much other sports
Sorry BK but this train of thought is what got us where we are now. In order to evoke change we need to create equity among all the sports which in turn could help create more unity among the various different coaches' associations. It was crucial that both the football coaches association and the basketball coaches association sent in very very similar proposals both asking for at least 7 classes with the room to create 8 or more as the state continues to grow.
 
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Why just football?
Well I don't think I'd be able to explain to you .
Going be your knowledge of percentages.
I'll try.
It takes less kids to compete at all the other sports. That's why football is the only subdivision sport. I myself don't mind if all sport are the same but it's not needed as much.
 

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With their idea I think 1A and 2A would be combined for football. Would be similar to what we have now. 128 teams, we have 105 now. Get back some of the smaller 2A now, like East Carteret with 534.
I don't think they could do that with their idea...it's not just to go to 7, it's to add a bylaw that you can't have more than 64 in a single classification. So even if football was classed separately, there couldn't be more than 64 in the smallest class.
 

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Well I don't think I'd be able to explain to you .
Going be your knowledge of percentages.
I'll try.
It takes less kids to compete at all the other sports. That's why football is the only subdivision sport. I myself don't mind if all sport are the same but it's not needed as much.
I agree BK football needs to be at 6 other sports don’t. There is absolutely no way for a sport like wrestling that we like you could have 6 classes. Sports like that need to stay at 4 and other sports to.
 
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Sorry BK but this train of thought is what got us where we are now. In order to evoke change we need to create equity among all the sports which in turn could help create more unity among the various different coaches' associations. It was crucial that both the football coaches association and the basketball coaches association sent in very very similar proposals both asking for at least 7 classes with the room to create 8 or more as the state continues to grow.
But it isn't needed in the other sports.
The problem in the world is we are trying to make things equal even if it's not needed.

Know matter what happens it will be different for football.. less schools play football so it will probably be six for football. I hope you will fight to drop other sports from 7 to 6 if that happens.
 

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IMO There will be no subdivided playoffs, there will be split conferences or regions instead. You will see the lower participation sports like golf, tennis, track, lacrosse, etc.become 1A/2A for playoffs. 32 teams from each division will make the playoffs with the 5th round being the State Title game. There will be 7 divisions and the breakdown on divisions will likely fall something like this:

1A 0-400
2A 400-800
3A 800-1100
4A 1100- 1500
5A 1500-1800
6A 1800-2100
7A 2100 and up
Do you not see a problem with 2A being 400-800 thats double the school size? Want work just a little unfair.
 
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IMO There will be no subdivided playoffs, there will be split conferences or regions instead. You will see the lower participation sports like golf, tennis, track, lacrosse, etc.become 1A/2A for playoffs. 32 teams from each division will make the playoffs with the 5th round being the State Title game. There will be 7 divisions and the breakdown on divisions will likely fall something like this:

1A 0-400
2A 400-800
3A 800-1100
4A 1100- 1500
5A 1500-1800
6A 1800-2100
7A 2100 and up
How can football 1a be 400 ?
Do you know how many 1a teams are under 400?
30 maybe?
 

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IMO There will be no subdivided playoffs, there will be split conferences or regions instead. You will see the lower participation sports like golf, tennis, track, lacrosse, etc.become 1A/2A for playoffs. 32 teams from each division will make the playoffs with the 5th round being the State Title game. There will be 7 divisions and the breakdown on divisions will likely fall something like this:

1A 0-400
2A 400-800
3A 800-1100
4A 1100- 1500
5A 1500-1800
6A 1800-2100
7A 2100 and up
The article I read basically said conferences are done if this happens. You'd have regions or districts, similar to how GA, SC, and TN do it. The cap of 64 makes sense, then, because any more than that and you get away from having 8 regions. 8 regions means no more advanced math to seed the playoffs.

If you went ADM only from the figures from this alignment, it'd be more like:

1A: 0-400 (with only 25-30 football schools)
2A: 400-670
3A: 670-845
4A: 845-1050
5A: 1050-1350
6A: 1350-1800
7A: 1800+
 
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Here is a new projection of the 7 divisions with 64 teams per division. These numbers based on the last ADM’s

1A- 0-550
2A- 550-800
3A- 800-1050
4A- 1050-1350
5A 1350-1650
6A- 1650-1900
7A- 1900 and up

IF the state stays with the 0-400 for 1A and they only have 30 or so teams state wide for that division then you will likely see playoffs with everyone making it and 1 less round than the other classifications.
I'd be fine with four rounds in the 1A playoffs if 1A was just schools under 400 or so. Those size schools are the ones with wrestling and basketball teams waiting on those kids the most, anyway.