Lets pretend....

[1NebrFan]

Either Gebbia would have transferred in December and we'd have shrugged it off like we did with O'Brien because his replacement would be on the way to campus or Martinez would have gotten hurt and Gebbia would have been needed and they'd prly have done a competition again in the spring with TG transferring if he lost it at that point.

And Crouch damn near left. They pretty much talked him off the ledge. But Newcombe had a partial tear in his knee and was struggling. They didn't give the job to Bobby and just let him have all the long leash he needed.

When Newcombe was back healthy they had a plan to get him on the field and he was still a big part of the plan at QB if Crouch had gotten hurt.

So it seems like we are agreeing....if TG has stayed he still might have transferred. I never said anything about AM getting hurt. My hypothetical was that AM knocks it out of the park and TG never plays a meaningful snap. Would we have done right by TG? In that scenario we wouldn't have needed him and all it would have provided was insurance, but would it have been the right thing to do? The reality of the situation is that AM was named the starter by SF and TG thought it was in his best interest to transfer.

The bottom line is Crouch never left......

 

[TheBeav815]

So it seems like we are agreeing....if TG has stayed he still might have transferred. I never said anything about AM getting hurt. My hypothetical was that AM knocks it out of the park and TG never plays a meaningful snap. Would we have done right by TG? In that scenario we wouldn't have needed him and all it would have provided was insurance, but would it have been the right thing to do? The reality of the situation is that AM was named the starter by SF and TG thought it was in his best interest to transfer.

The bottom line is Crouch never left......

We just had a coach who did right by everyone. What happened to him, anyway?

IDGAF if we do right by kids who sign to play at a school by looking out for their opportunity to bolt for greener pastures at the most opportune time for them personally. And neither will anyone else if Martinez either sucks or gets hurt and Nebraska gets pounded on all year. We'll just be thinking how much it sucks to not have a scholarship #2 of any kind.

Scott Frost is being paid millions of dollars to win football games, not do right by people. Nobody will want to hear "we want guys who wanna be here" if we just watched another November of disappearing from relevance.

I don't recall anyone saying what a great story about the Nebraska Way it was that native son One-Armed Ryker Fyfe got piss pounded by Iowa because for some reason we've been allergic to stocking this team with scholarship QBs who have some business playing D1 football. At some point you have to break that cycle of not having 3-4 scholarship QBs.

And they're blowing a precious QB scholarship IMO with Vedral, giving him a ride because he's Johnny's kid and then bringing him here when he couldn't win the job at UCF. Begging the NCAA to let him suit up when we have yet to see any indication that the kid can play. Man that's like getting an ugly girl pregnant.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

To be honest IDGAF if we do right by kids who sign a LOI to play at a school by looking out for their opportunity to bolt for greener pastures at the most opportune time for them personally. And neither will anyone else if Martinez either sucks or gets hurt and Nebraska gets pounded on all year. We'll just be thinking how much it sucks to not have a scholarship #2 of any kind. All this good will and "doing right by the kid" Frost has going for him is because he's lost zero games as the HC of Nebraska.

That man is being paid millions of dollars to win football games, not do right by people. Nobody will want to hear "we want guys who wanna be here" if we just watched another November of disappearing from relevance.

I don't recall people being interested in what a great story about the Nebraska Way it was that native son One-Armed Ryker Fyfe got piss pounded by Iowa because for some reason we've been allergic to stocking this team with scholarship QBs who have some business starting.

Agree. The top priority of any staff is to solidify the most important position on the field. With this mission in mind we are entering the season with one scholarship QB on the roster and said QB has never taken a college snap.

 

[1NebrFan]

We just had a coach who did right by everyone. What happened to him, anyway?

IDGAF if we do right by kids who sign to play at a school by looking out for their opportunity to bolt for greener pastures at the most opportune time for them personally. And neither will anyone else if Martinez either sucks or gets hurt and Nebraska gets pounded on all year. We'll just be thinking how much it sucks to not have a scholarship #2 of any kind.

Scott Frost is being paid millions of dollars to win football games, not do right by people. Nobody will want to hear "we want guys who wanna be here" if we just watched another November of disappearing from relevance.

I don't recall anyone saying what a great story about the Nebraska Way it was that native son One-Armed Ryker Fyfe got piss pounded by Iowa because for some reason we've been allergic to stocking this team with scholarship QBs who have some business playing D1 football. At some point you have to break that cycle of not having 3-4 scholarship QBs.

And they're blowing a precious QB scholarship IMO with Vedral, giving him a ride because he's Johnny's kid and then bringing him here when he couldn't win the job at UCF. Begging the NCAA to let him suit up when we have yet to see any indication that the kid can play. Man that's like getting an ugly girl pregnant.

I hope that you are not insinuating that MR is anything like SF and doing the right thing and being a good coach is mutually exclusive. You can be both a good coach and do right by the kids.

I'm not sure where the conversation got off track......how are you going to stop these kids when they want to transfer? I thought your point was SF should have strung his decision out so that TG didn't transfer. You think it is ok to string a kid along to make sure that we have insurance. Is that not correct? You think the ends justify the means. I respectfully disagree.
I think SF did the right thing by naming the starter when he did and it gave TG the opportunity to do what he thought was in his best interest. It is the new normal and coaches just need to adjust.

 

[TheBeav815]

I hope that you are not insinuating that MR is anything like SF and doing the right thing and being a good coach is mutually exclusive. You can be both a good coach and do right by the kids.

I'm not sure where the conversation got off track......how are you going to stop these kids when they want to transfer? I thought your point was SF should have strung his decision out so that TG didn't transfer. You think it is ok to string a kid along to make sure that we have insurance. Is that not correct? You think the ends justify the means. I respectfully disagree.
I think SF did the right thing by naming the starter when he did and it gave TG the opportunity to do what he thought was in his best interest. It is the new normal and coaches just need to adjust.

Time will tell, but they didn't sound to me like a staff that knew full well he would transfer and were making an active decision to let him go with enough time to spare. They sounded like they were shocked as hell that he quit the team and were not counting on going into their season with one true freshman on scholarship.

Their commentary about having to back off the QB power game they wanted to call in particular is very telling. So is them scrambling to try to seek a waiver for Vedral. They weren't ready for this. Nothing they have said indicates this was part of their plan.

 

[1NebrFan]

Time will tell, but they didn't sound to me like a staff that knew full well he would transfer and were making an active decision to let him go with enough time to spare. They sounded like they were shocked as hell that he quit the team and were not counting on going into their season with one true freshman on scholarship.

Their commentary about having to back off the QB power game they wanted to call in particular is very telling. So is them scrambling to try to seek a waiver for Vedral. They weren't ready for this. Nothing they have said indicates this was part of their plan.

I agree with you 100% that the staff didn’t think that TG would leave and I’m not sure based on what he had been saying that anyone could have predicted he would leave. Where you and I disagree is how we could have prevented this from happening. You feel that by not naming a stater until it was to late too transfer and I think it was unavoidable.

Beav....just for the record I honestly like your posts. I just happen to disagree with you on this topic. I look forward to future discussions: )

 

[oldjar07]

Reimers is a senior and appears on the 2 deep

Mazour and Weinmaster are Juniors - take up scholarships for 2 years and do not appear on the 2 deep -where some positions list 3 or 4 players due to "or"

hopefully Mazour and Weinmaster play significant roles during meaningful minutes - I trust the coaches feel they definitively will otherwise, I can't imagine putting them on scholarship as juniors

And Bunch is a sophomore, who likely would have gotten little playing time this year, and would have just kept getting recruited over as time went on.

 

[oldjar07]

Either Gebbia would have transferred in December and we'd have shrugged it off like we did with O'Brien because his replacement would be on the way to campus or Martinez would have gotten hurt and Gebbia would have been needed and they'd prly have done a competition again in the spring with TG transferring if he lost it at that point.

And Crouch damn near left. They pretty much talked him off the ledge. But Newcombe had a partial tear in his knee and was struggling. They didn't give the job to Bobby and just let him have all the long leash he needed.

When Newcombe was back healthy they had a plan to get him on the field and he was still a big part of the plan at QB if Crouch had gotten hurt.

I honestly don't think the leash for Martinez would have been all that long. I think his comments were directed more at the fan base to try to put down any talk that Martinez wasn't going to be the guy they're going with for now. That doesn't mean that if Martinez performed poorly and Gebbia did well when given the chance, that things couldn't change rather quickly.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Nobody but the coaches knows the inside story. You can't treat your players like you love them and trust them and then go behind doors and say "we need to manipulate this kid so he can't transfer". They did what MEN do. Trust the people you work with, trust their word, treat them with dignity and respect, and when things change prayer for them, and offer them help. I may not have done the same thing but only because I am a worse person. As fans our job is to encourage a product to be proud of...not championships. Championships are fickle, reliant on luck, and based on factors that are often out of our control. But having coaches who respect one another and their players, players who play hard every play and carry themselves well, combined with a fan base that is educated and reasonable makes the whole process worth many championships. We all know we are going to win plenty. TG was never going to decide a championship but his treatment may have set the tone in the locker room and on the staff for years to come.

 

[oldjar07]

So it seems like we are agreeing....if TG has stayed he still might have transferred. I never said anything about AM getting hurt. My hypothetical was that AM knocks it out of the park and TG never plays a meaningful snap. Would we have done right by TG? In that scenario we wouldn't have needed him and all it would have provided was insurance, but would it have been the right thing to do? The reality of the situation is that AM was named the starter by SF and TG thought it was in his best interest to transfer.

The bottom line is Crouch never left......

Yeah he still could have transferred if he stayed for the season, but we would be in a much better spot. This year we have Martinez, a true freshman at qb I might add, and way after that is Bunch, then we got nothing. There have been plenty of teams over the years that have had 2 or 3 qb's injured. If that happens to us this year, it's easily going to cost us 3-4+ games, and with a season where the ceiling is only at 8 or 9 wins if everything goes perfectly, that would be disastrous.

 

[jeans15]

Frost told the qbs to transfer. I heard.

 

[jeans15]

Cam Taylor I believe played some QB in high school.

 

[oldjar07]

We just had a coach who did right by everyone. What happened to him, anyway?

IDGAF if we do right by kids who sign to play at a school by looking out for their opportunity to bolt for greener pastures at the most opportune time for them personally. And neither will anyone else if Martinez either sucks or gets hurt and Nebraska gets pounded on all year. We'll just be thinking how much it sucks to not have a scholarship #2 of any kind.

Scott Frost is being paid millions of dollars to win football games, not do right by people. Nobody will want to hear "we want guys who wanna be here" if we just watched another November of disappearing from relevance.

I don't recall anyone saying what a great story about the Nebraska Way it was that native son One-Armed Ryker Fyfe got piss pounded by Iowa because for some reason we've been allergic to stocking this team with scholarship QBs who have some business playing D1 football. At some point you have to break that cycle of not having 3-4 scholarship QBs.

And they're blowing a precious QB scholarship IMO with Vedral, giving him a ride because he's Johnny's kid and then bringing him here when he couldn't win the job at UCF. Begging the NCAA to let him suit up when we have yet to see any indication that the kid can play. Man that's like getting an ugly girl pregnant.

You really think Frost was trying to do Gebbia a favor by letting him transfer? This absurd theory really needs to die. Frost had no idea Gebbia was planning on transferring until he told him.

Vedral absolutely deserves a scholarship. He was backing up a heisman caliber qb, and when he did get in he was completing 75% of his passes. He's proved a hell of a lot more that he can play at this level than a lot of other 4 star qb's we've recruited over the years.

 

[inWV]

You're ok with the quality of our backup qb's then and have good enough depth to get us through the year? I know a lot of people think if they're walk-ons, they don't really count. I disagree with that viewpoint. Sure Fyfe was bad, but Ganz was a walk-on too and he did pretty well for us.

Joe Ganz was classified as dual threat and was ready made for when Pelini showed up. Not a walk-on but a late Jan commit.

 

[oldjar07]

Time will tell, but they didn't sound to me like a staff that knew full well he would transfer and were making an active decision to let him go with enough time to spare. They sounded like they were shocked as hell that he quit the team and were not counting on going into their season with one true freshman on scholarship.

Their commentary about having to back off the QB power game they wanted to call in particular is very telling. So is them scrambling to try to seek a waiver for Vedral. They weren't ready for this. Nothing they have said indicates this was part of their plan.

You're absolutely right.