Let's see how many on the Left have seen this reported?

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Have any of you on the Left EVER seen these quotes in ANY main news story about Hillary Clinton and Margaret Sanger (Founder of Planned Parenthood)?

If your answer is "no" (and there is no other correct answer because you haven't seen it reported) ask your self these two questions:

Why not?

Do you still think the media is unbiased?

Your answers to me don't matter, but how do you answer this for yourselves?

 

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This is interesting.......just quickly conducted some research on Sanger....conflicting reports on her quotes and what was actually said and/or meant......plus this is her background in the African-American communities....

"Sanger worked with eminent African American leaders and professionals who saw a need for birth control in their communities. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and the leader of New York's Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem.[75] Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with black doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of black doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press as well as in black churches, and it received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, the co-founder of the NAACP and the editor of its magazine, The Crisis.[76][77][78][79] Sanger did not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor would she tolerate any refusal to work within interracial projects.[80] Sanger's work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.[81]

From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role—alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble—in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor black people.[82] Sanger, over the objections of other supervisors, wanted the Negro Project to hire black ministers in leadership roles. To emphasize the benefits of hiring black community leaders to act as spokesmen, she wrote to Gamble, "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." New York University's Margaret Sanger Papers Project says that though the letter would have been meant to avoid the mistaken notion that the Negro Project was a racist campaign, conspiracy theorists have fraudulently attempted to exploit the quotation "as evidence she led a calculated effort to reduce the black population against their will".

Now, I do find it funny you all are using something this long ago. Would it be OK for the leftists to use the KKK or something that took place 60 years ago (or longer) to justify something? She might have been a believer in Eugenics.....but so were many other prominent people of the time.....
 

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This is interesting.......just quickly conducted some research on Sanger....conflicting reports on her quotes and what was actually said and/or meant......plus this is her background in the African-American communities....

"Sanger worked with eminent African American leaders and professionals who saw a need for birth control in their communities. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and the leader of New York's Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem.[75] Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with black doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of black doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press as well as in black churches, and it received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, the co-founder of the NAACP and the editor of its magazine, The Crisis.[76][77][78][79] Sanger did not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor would she tolerate any refusal to work within interracial projects.[80] Sanger's work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.[81]

From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role—alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble—in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor black people.[82] Sanger, over the objections of other supervisors, wanted the Negro Project to hire black ministers in leadership roles. To emphasize the benefits of hiring black community leaders to act as spokesmen, she wrote to Gamble, "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." New York University's Margaret Sanger Papers Project says that though the letter would have been meant to avoid the mistaken notion that the Negro Project was a racist campaign, conspiracy theorists have fraudulently attempted to exploit the quotation "as evidence she led a calculated effort to reduce the black population against their will".

Now, I do find it funny you all are using something this long ago. Would it be OK for the leftists to use the KKK or something that took place 60 years ago (or longer) to justify something? She might have been a believer in Eugenics.....but so were many other prominent people of the time.....
Use the KKK all you want you dumfuk. They were democrats.
 

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She might have been a believer in Eugenics.....but so were many other prominent people of the time.....


Hitler may have also believed in this too during his time regarding the Jewish people, and apparently a lot of members of his Third Reich. So that justifies it MountaineerWV?

Whew...you are some kind of product of warped mental calibrations Dude.
 
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This is interesting.......just quickly conducted some research on Sanger....conflicting reports on her quotes and what was actually said and/or meant......plus this is her background in the African-American communities....

"Sanger worked with eminent African American leaders and professionals who saw a need for birth control in their communities. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and the leader of New York's Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem.[75] Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with black doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of black doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press as well as in black churches, and it received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, the co-founder of the NAACP and the editor of its magazine, The Crisis.[76][77][78][79] Sanger did not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor would she tolerate any refusal to work within interracial projects.[80] Sanger's work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.[81]

From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role—alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble—in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor black people.[82] Sanger, over the objections of other supervisors, wanted the Negro Project to hire black ministers in leadership roles. To emphasize the benefits of hiring black community leaders to act as spokesmen, she wrote to Gamble, "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." New York University's Margaret Sanger Papers Project says that though the letter would have been meant to avoid the mistaken notion that the Negro Project was a racist campaign, conspiracy theorists have fraudulently attempted to exploit the quotation "as evidence she led a calculated effort to reduce the black population against their will".

Now, I do find it funny you all are using something this long ago. Would it be OK for the leftists to use the KKK or something that took place 60 years ago (or longer) to justify something? She might have been a believer in Eugenics.....but so were many other prominent people of the time.....
Sanger was a racist....pure and simple. If you closely read what you just posted you will see the obvious spin control. "We don’t want the word to go out". You justify racism by saying; "so were many other prominent people of the time"? ......Un-*****-beliveable
 

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Sanger was a racist....pure and simple. If you closely read what you just posted you will see the obvious spin control. "We don’t want the word to go out". You justify racism by saying; "so were many other prominent people of the time"? ......Un-*****-beliveable

I'm not defending anything. What I'm saying is that you pull out things from the 1920's.....a time when not only did our presidents, but our Supreme Court, thought "segregation" was the answer and acceptable. Schools, communities, hospitals, colleges, etc. etc. etc.

Did I say she wasn't a "racist"? Nope. But I did say I did a QUICK research on her. I did notice that some prominent African-Americans leaders felt differently than you did.
 

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I'm not defending anything. What I'm saying is that you pull out things from the 1920's.....a time when not only did our presidents, but our Supreme Court, thought "segregation" was the answer and acceptable. Schools, communities, hospitals, colleges, etc. etc. etc.

Did I say she wasn't a "racist"? Nope. But I did say I did a QUICK research on her. I did notice that some prominent African-Americans leaders felt differently than you did.

With this post, I assume you are not in favor of taking down statues of the Confederacy or its leaders as well as Presidents that owned slaves, right? After all, that was normal behavior at the time.

BTW, she was a racist and wanted to use abortion to wipe out the inferior race.
 

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With this post, I assume you are not in favor of taking down statues of the Confederacy or its leaders as well as Presidents that owned slaves, right? After all, that was normal behavior at the time.

BTW, she was a racist and wanted to use abortion to wipe out the inferior race.

I'm in favor of removing anything that celebrates traitors. [thumbsup]

Not to mention, using your popular phrases...."you lost, get over it".....in reference to the 2016 election, the Confederacy lost, now they should "get over it". To the victor goes the spoils.....right? ;)
 

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I'm in favor of removing anything that celebrates traitors. [thumbsup]

Not to mention, using your popular phrases...."you lost, get over it".....in reference to the 2016 election, the Confederacy lost, now they should "get over it". To the victor goes the spoils.....right? ;)

You excused behavior from the 20's because it was normal at the time. Slavery was normal at that time. Yet, libs want to erase that from history.

I notice you didn't comment on the fact that libs want to erase statues and buildings named after slave holder Presidents. Hypocrisy?
 

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I'm not defending anything. What I'm saying is that you pull out things from the 1920's.....a time when not only did our presidents, but our Supreme Court, thought "segregation" was the answer and acceptable. Schools, communities, hospitals, colleges, etc. etc. etc.

Did I say she wasn't a "racist"? Nope. But I did say I did a QUICK research on her. I did notice that some prominent African-Americans leaders felt differently than you did.
The ONLY reason she is being defended is because of her link to Planned Parenthood. A lot of very prominent Americans were also complimentary and sometimes supportive of Adolph Hitler during the run-up to WWII. I would say several of those prominent African-Americans leaders back in the day supported some of the non genocide work she did for African Americans. The sad fact of today is that PP is the biggest provider responsible for the abortion of Black fetuses.
 

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You excused behavior from the 20's because it was normal at the time. Slavery was normal at that time. Yet, libs want to erase that from history.

I notice you didn't comment on the fact that libs want to erase statues and buildings named after slave holder Presidents. Hypocrisy?

I'm not "excusing" anything. I just simply said that's how many were back then. As for slavery, sure it was accepted, in the South. However, the South lost........ ;)

And please stop saying "libs want this and that". Not all liberals want the things you say........
 

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The ONLY reason she is being defended is because of her link to Planned Parenthood. A lot of very prominent Americans were also complimentary and sometimes supportive of Adolph Hitler during the run-up to WWII. I would say several of those prominent African-Americans leaders back in the day supported some of the non genocide work she did for African Americans. The sad fact of today is that PP is the biggest provider responsible for the abortion of Black fetuses.

Libs love science except when it comes to abortion and when life begins.
 

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The ONLY reason she is being defended is because of her link to Planned Parenthood. A lot of very prominent Americans were also complimentary and sometimes supportive of Adolph Hitler during the run-up to WWII. I would say several of those prominent African-Americans leaders back in the day supported some of the non genocide work she did for African Americans. The sad fact of today is that PP is the biggest provider responsible for the abortion of Black fetuses.

Perhaps, you may be correct. I didn't even know who this woman was until I looked her up. So, I'm not part of this "liberal conspiracy". [thumbsup]

Hitler's was not to eliminate the Jews for being inferior, it was for revenge. He BLAMED them.......
 

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I'm not "excusing" anything. I just simply said that's how many were back then. As for slavery, sure it was accepted, in the South. However, the South lost........ ;)

And please stop saying "libs want this and that". Not all liberals want the things you say........

A significant portion do from all over the country. Because the South lost, we wipe that from history? Do we wipe Germany from history too?
 

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Libs love science except when it comes to abortion and when life begins.

Abortion? What type we talking about? If partial-birth, then HELL YES I'm against this. However, if it's within the first few weeks, then it's definitely a female's decision. It's her body. Regardless of what others want to say.

I don't support abortion. I don't like abortion. I actually hate abortion. But it's not my body.
 

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A significant portion do from all over the country. Because the South lost, we wipe that from history? Do we wipe Germany from history too?

Well, Germany did for a while. I spoke with a soldier who was stationed in Germany and he said that their local schools do not mention Hitler. He was wiped from their history.

And nobody is saying "wipe from history". The Civil War will always be in the history books. If someone wants to salute the traitor and LOSER Robert E. Lee......as the general......then do so on their private property, not publicly owned property. No different than Benedict Arnold....except Arnold had more productive impact before committing treason......;)
 

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Perhaps, you may be correct. I didn't even know who this woman was until I looked her up. So, I'm not part of this "liberal conspiracy". [thumbsup]

Hitler's was not to eliminate the Jews for being inferior, it was for revenge. He BLAMED them.......

Wrong...wrong....wrong. While he DID blame them for all the ills of Germany he also felt they were inferior as he did several other segments of the worlds population.
 

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Abortion? What type we talking about? If partial-birth, then HELL YES I'm against this. However, if it's within the first few weeks, then it's definitely a female's decision. It's her body. Regardless of what others want to say.

I don't support abortion. I don't like abortion. I actually hate abortion. But it's not my body.

Doesn't the second life (unborn baby) have any voice speaking for him or her? Science tells us that DNA is present upon fertilization. Why does it differ with you on which month the destruction of that life occurs? Just 18 days from conception, a baby's heart starts to beat, for example.
 

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Wrong...wrong....wrong. While he DID blame them for all the ills of Germany he also felt they were inferior as he did several other segments of the worlds population.

If that's the case, then why did he allow some Jews to serve in the German military? As scientists?


Now, did he think they were inferior? Maybe so. But that was NOT what drove him to his Final Solution.
 

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Well, Germany did for a while. I spoke with a soldier who was stationed in Germany and he said that their local schools do not mention Hitler. He was wiped from their history.

And nobody is saying "wipe from history". The Civil War will always be in the history books. If someone wants to salute the traitor and LOSER Robert E. Lee......as the general......then do so on their private property, not publicly owned property. No different than Benedict Arnold....except Arnold had more productive impact before committing treason......;)

As you said, slavery was part of society in that era. Why defend Sanger for that reason and not slave owners or the Confederacy? You can't have it both ways.
 

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Doesn't the second life (unborn baby) have any voice speaking for him or her? Science tells us that DNA is present upon fertilization. Why does it differ with you on which month the destruction of that life occurs? Just 18 days from conception, a baby's heart starts to beat, for example.

Perhaps, I don't know. I told you my feelings. Now, does this mean you are against any abortion? If the doctor says birth will kill the mother?
 

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Abortion? What type we talking about? If partial-birth, then HELL YES I'm against this. However, if it's within the first few weeks, then it's definitely a female's decision. It's her body. Regardless of what others want to say.

I don't support abortion. I don't like abortion. I actually hate abortion. But it's not my body.
Fair enough...but whats her body have to do with it? Why is it that women of the left are so against prostitution when its clearly a choice of the women.
 

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As you said, slavery was part of society in that era. Why defend Sanger for that reason and not slave owners or the Confederacy? You can't have it both ways.

I'm not defending anyone here. INDIVIDUAL people can praise, support, erect statues, etc. all they want. But publicly, sorry. I don't agree.
 

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Fair enough...but whats her body have to do with it? Why is it that women of the left are so against prostitution when its clearly a choice of the women.

Don't know. Don't care for it either. Probably more of a tax situation thing or health scare (spreading of diseases). I think a lot of people understand that prostitution and drug use/abuse are linked very closely. Again, not sure. Just my 2 cents......
 

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Perhaps, I don't know. I told you my feelings. Now, does this mean you are against any abortion? If the doctor says birth will kill the mother?

If it comes down to potential death of the mother, I would certainly leave that up to the mother. Far different story than unfettered abortion. Life is a life. Those who love abortion (or claim they like "choice) want you to think the baby is just a clump of cells, even when the heart is beating and DNA is present. It is not a clump of cells, it is life.
 

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Don't know. Don't care for it either. Probably more of a tax situation thing or health scare (spreading of diseases). I think a lot of people understand that prostitution and drug use/abuse are linked very closely. Again, not sure. Just my 2 cents......
I think making it legal would generate tax revenues and also allow for increased health regulation.
 

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But, as it was said, "can't have it both ways". If you ban abortion, what are you banning? All abortions? Or, some abortions?

When the life of the mother is at risk, it is a mother's choice. I don't know of many pro-lifers that would disagree.
 

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Please tell me how Planned Parenthood prepares parents for parenthood? Also what are the statistics PP adoptions vs. PP abortions?
 

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This is interesting.......just quickly conducted some research on Sanger....conflicting reports on her quotes and what was actually said and/or meant......plus this is her background in the African-American communities....

"Sanger worked with eminent African American leaders and professionals who saw a need for birth control in their communities. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and the leader of New York's Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem.[75] Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with black doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of black doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press as well as in black churches, and it received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, the co-founder of the NAACP and the editor of its magazine, The Crisis.[76][77][78][79] Sanger did not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor would she tolerate any refusal to work within interracial projects.[80] Sanger's work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.[81]

From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role—alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble—in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor black people.[82] Sanger, over the objections of other supervisors, wanted the Negro Project to hire black ministers in leadership roles. To emphasize the benefits of hiring black community leaders to act as spokesmen, she wrote to Gamble, "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." New York University's Margaret Sanger Papers Project says that though the letter would have been meant to avoid the mistaken notion that the Negro Project was a racist campaign, conspiracy theorists have fraudulently attempted to exploit the quotation "as evidence she led a calculated effort to reduce the black population against their will".

Now, I do find it funny you all are using something this long ago. Would it be OK for the leftists to use the KKK or something that took place 60 years ago (or longer) to justify something? She might have been a believer in Eugenics.....but so were many other prominent people of the time.....
It's not even hidden. Go read her articles from Birth Control Review. She was a big proponent of eugenics and weeding out inferior races.
 

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I'm in favor of removing anything that celebrates traitors. [thumbsup]

Not to mention, using your popular phrases...."you lost, get over it".....in reference to the 2016 election, the Confederacy lost, now they should "get over it". To the victor goes the spoils.....right? ;)

My original question to open the thread MountaineerWV was to ask anyone on the Left if they've seen these views of Sanger's or Hillary's support of her reported prominently anywhere in the main stream media?

Since a lot of you are defenders of the media's "unbiased" reporting of Trump, I was just wondering if you all still felt as strongly about their "objectivity" in light of their refusal or reluctance to report this rather obvious history of the founder of Planned Parenthood and one of its major supporters in the last Presidential campaign...Hillary Rodham Clinton?

How do you folks on the Left think Blacks would feel about Clinton or the Democrats if this little piece of their Leftist history was more prevalently shown?

Don't you suppose they know how upset it would make most Blacks who overwhelmingly vote Democrat, and so this is why they don't tell them or show it to them?

Now, do you still think they are unbiased and don't have an "agenda"? (ie: America in general and Republicans in particular are racist)?
 

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My original question to open the thread MountaineerWV was to ask anyone on the Left if they've seen these views of Sanger's or Hillary's support of her reported prominently anywhere in the main stream media?

Since a lot of you are defenders of the media's "unbiased" reporting of Trump, I was just wondering if you all still felt as strongly about their "objectivity" in light of their refusal or reluctance to report this rather obvious history of the founder of Planned Parenthood and one of its major supporters in the last Presidential campaign...Hillary Rodham Clinton?

How do you folks on the Left think Blacks would feel about Clinton or the Democrats if this little piece of their Leftist history was more prevalently shown?

Don't you suppose they know how upset it would make most Blacks who overwhelmingly vote Democrat, and so this is why they don't tell them or show it to them?

Now, do you still think they are unbiased and don't have an "agenda"? (ie: America in general and Republicans in particular are racist)?

Exactly on point. The media is the opposition party. They don't want blacks to know that the Dems and Hillary support Margaret Sanger and tout her as a hero, even though she was a racist eugenist.

They have to keep blacks on their liberal thought plantation. Can you imagine the media outcry if Trump touted an avowed racist? OMG.
 

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When the life of the mother is at risk, it is a mother's choice. I don't know of many pro-lifers that would disagree.

It rarely is necessary to kill the Baby in order to save the Life of the Mother. It happens in less than 1% of all abortions. However I do favor them (Abortions) in those rare cases where the Mother dies if the Baby lives.

However, again most Pediatric neurosurgeons like Dr. Ben Carson or OBGYNs will tell you it is rare that in order to save a Mother's Life, her expectant child must be destroyed. That is a Lie promulgated by the Left to justify the vast majority of Abortions on demand in this country....98% of them, which have nothing to do with saving the Life of the Mother as much as they do saving her "Lifestyle" which usually includes very little room or desire for Children.
 

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Can you imagine the media outcry if Trump touted an avowed racist? OMG.

Bullseye. We have proof of blatant media bias here because they DO NOT fairly report this side of a major base of Democrat party support. Even the Leftists on this board who defend the media as "fair and objective" cannot explain why they ignore this very important part of Planned Parenthood's history as this Woman (Sanger) is not only their founder, but she is hailed and worshipped on the Left as a 'pioneer' on the subject of birth control!

Now they do report on THAT aspect of her activism for Planned Parenthood...population control. Oh don't you know they're all over that? But they DO NOT dare report (especially to Blacks) that Sanger wanted us exterminated as part of her population control. Oh Hell NO!!!!!!!!!!!

Wonder why no one the Left who favors a "woman's choice" doesn't back Sanger's call for exterminating this portion of their voting base? Or do they and just don't admit it? I mean, aren't they ALL strong supporters of Planned Parenthood?

Inquiring Black folks such as myself would really like an answer from the Democrats on this?

@moe? @RPJ? @Best Virginia? You guys are the ones always screaming the loudest here on the OT board that Trump's a racist SOB. Why the Democrat & media "silence" on this part of Planned Parenthood's history?
 
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I'm not defending anything. What I'm saying is that you pull out things from the 1920's.....a time when not only did our presidents, but our Supreme Court, thought "segregation" was the answer and acceptable. Schools, communities, hospitals, colleges, etc. etc. etc.

Did I say she wasn't a "racist"? Nope. But I did say I did a QUICK research on her. I did notice that some prominent African-Americans leaders felt differently than you did.

The question wasn't so much what she believes MountaineerWV (we've established she's a racist in the strictest use of the word because she believes Blacks are inferior to Whites) but rather the topic in the thread is why aren't her racist views a more prominent part of the media's and Left's fawning over her?

Hillary Clinton quote: "I admire Margaret Sanger enormously...her courage, her tenacity, her vision"

Her vision MountaineerWV? What to have us (Black folks) all wiped out?????? You agree with that vision MountaineerWV?

See Dude, Black folks who know this about her and the Left aren't fooled by your side's pimping us as the "oppressed" people you all are so "anxious" to save. Those of us who join you in avoiding the biased, sycophantic, corrupt, incompetent media reporting already know what a crock that is as well the entire message to Black folks found on the Left and in the Democrat party.

Why haven't you figured it out yet MountaineerWV? Maybe an even better question for you is, why are you still defending them? (Leftist Democrats)
 
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I'm in favor of removing anything that celebrates traitors. [thumbsup]

Not to mention, using your popular phrases...."you lost, get over it".....in reference to the 2016 election, the Confederacy lost, now they should "get over it". To the victor goes the spoils.....right? ;)

I've noticed you've had very little to say defending your side in this thread. You normally are very mellifluous in your defense of Leftist positions but for some strange reason you've been very muted in this particular discussion thread.

Are you rethinking your positions, or trying to find new ways to lie about them?