Lets take Strong or even Franklin as a one year DC similar to what Auburn did with Muschamp.

BBNDMV

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Nothing worse than someone who states multiple things that are completely false and doesn't even have the stones to admit they were wrong. They just reply with nonsense.
And another one lol..
 

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No kidding. Both guys have more head coaching credibility than does Stoops. If they are going to work as an assistant or a consultant, they're going to an elite program.
Gene Chizik won a national championship with auburn and then went to work for Larry Fedora (who came from southern miss) at UNC..so it is possible. like ive stated over and over again, no real thoughts or constructive ideas only troll behavior.
 

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You have to remember that this coaching business is a "buddy" system. Ohio State needs joker Phillips about as much as we need Mark Stoops. These guys are not doing much more than drawing a check when they get titles like "quality control". This staff is already way overpaid. No need to make up a title for someone.
 

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You have to remember that this coaching business is a "buddy" system. Ohio State needs joker Phillips about as much as we need Mark Stoops. These guys are not doing much more than drawing a check when they get titles like "quality control". This staff is already way overpaid. No need to make up a title for someone.[/QUOTE

How would you improve the situation that we have right now? Given the fact the Stoops will be here through next season. what would you do?
 

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I FEEL LIKE IM PLAYING CARDS WITH MY UNCLES KIDS!!!!!!

People "ADULTS" getting so excited to criticize and name call that one cant even have an original thought. lol i could care less if Franklin was originally an OC or DC...doesnt freaking matter to me as its not part of the scope of this question.

its really freaking simple...How would you improve the situation that we have right now? Given the fact the Stoops will be here through next season. what would you do?
 

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I FEEL LIKE IM PLAYING CARDS WITH MY UNCLES KIDS!!!!!!

People "ADULTS" getting so excited to criticize and name call that one cant even have an original thought. lol i could care less if Franklin was originally an OC or DC...doesnt freaking matter to me as its not part of the scope of this question.

its really freaking simple...How would you improve the situation that we have right now? Given the fact the Stoops will be here through next season. what would you do?
I would bring Bear Bryant back. That should do the trick.
 

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The fact that Franklin is an offensive coach and, therefore, would not be a great hire as defensive coordinator is a real thought. That Strong and Franklin are extremely unlikely to take assistant coaching jobs (immediately after leaving two premier jobs) on a staff that is potentially on its way out the door is also a real thought. It may not be what you want to hear, but that makes it no less valid.

Getting top notch coaches is undoubtedly important, but their fit on the staff and desire to build the program are equally important. Ill fitting pieces and coaches that would use UK as a one year placeholder would not further the building process, in my humble opinion.
 
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I honestly don't think you should have all kinds of problems on the side of the ball that the head coach has a background in. If you hire a head coach based on his background as a d-coordinator the last thing you think that you would have to worry about is the DEFENSE. You can't tell me as bad as this defense as been that Mark Stoops just stood back and did nothing up until two games ago.
 

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Gene Chizik won a national championship with auburn and then went to work for Larry Fedora (who came from southern miss) at UNC..so it is possible. like ive stated over and over again, no real thoughts or constructive ideas only troll behavior.
OK, what is the other poster name you use on these or other boards?
 
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This is the most ignorant thread on Earth. Didn't read it so I'm sure someone with a brain has already pointed out that there is absolutely no way that guys like Strong and Franklin are going to come be coordinators at Kentucky. Strong was a successful coordinator at Florida, a successful coach at U of L, and a mediocre coach at Texas. He will not have to stoop (pun intended) this far down to get a job. Same for Franklin. We might be an attractive head coaching job for both of those guys, but they aren't coming here to coordinate and they certainly aren't going to coordinate for a lame duck coach like Stoops.
 

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@BBNRDU you've got some issues, my friend. If you're not trolling, then I'm genuinely sorry for you. The commentary can't be constructive in the manner you wish it to be because in order to construct anything in any facet of life, there needs to be a solid base or foundation. In order to get to that point, posters are trying to correct you so that we can build the skyscraper on cement and not a side of Everest.

To try to appease you, I'll say that Franklin wouldn't be a good fit and that I doubt Strong comes to Kentucky. I would appreciate bringing in an old Nebraska Huskers HC to be our DC, but not Franklin.
 
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Given the possibility of a very competitive coaching market in the off season and the fact that UK has such a large buyout for Coach Stoops, This idea could by very beneficial to UK and one of these two. UK and CMS administration could get some fresh eyes on how they are doing things as well as some great coaching and recruiting influence. Strong or Franklin would also have the benefit of having a place where their hot seats can cool off and go on the market once the market is more favorable giving them more bargaining value. Whats your thoughts?

I am not sure Stoops is strong enough to handle all those alphas, Meyer, Harbaugh or Saban would be the only ones who might be able to keep those names under control.
 

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Sometimes its not that simple. Look at Mark Stoops...he was successful at FSU...but it appears that he was most likely successful because he had great talent and a great staff, not because he was a great coach. Then you have guys like Charlie Strong...Charlie Strong was a great judge of under-recruited talent and happened to bring in Teddy Bridgewater but he put a lot of under-recruited talent in the NFL but the Texas job was always the wrong fit for him. Too much meddling from boosters and the administration, too much non-football activities, etc. James Franklin built the unbuildable into a decent program at Vandy and for whatever reason has not been able to replicate success at Penn State. Strong and Franklin didn't forget how to coach....something in their current jobs is not working however but I 100% believe that if you put Charlie Strong at a school like USF...he would have them even better than than Taggart has them.

Guys like Strong and Franklin would be home run hires for a program like UK at head coach but they aren't coming here to play coordinators under someone like Mark Stoops.
Sometimes its not that simple. Look at Mark Stoops...he was successful at FSU...but it appears that he was most likely successful because he had great talent and a great staff, not because he was a great coach. Then you have guys like Charlie Strong...Charlie Strong was a great judge of under-recruited talent and happened to bring in Teddy Bridgewater but he put a lot of under-recruited talent in the NFL but the Texas job was always the wrong fit for him. Too much meddling from boosters and the administration, too much non-football activities, etc. James Franklin built the unbuildable into a decent program at Vandy and for whatever reason has not been able to replicate success at Penn State. Strong and Franklin didn't forget how to coach....something in their current jobs is not working however but I 100% believe that if you put Charlie Strong at a school like USF...he would have them even better than than Taggart has them.

Guys like Strong and Franklin would be home run hires for a program like UK at head coach but they aren't coming here to play coordinators under someone like Mark Stoops.


When Franklin went into Vandy he had a strong core of redshirt juniors and seniors from the previous years. He may not have built anything but took advantage of what was already there.

Maybe that explains Penn State.

P.S. Great talent trumps great staff. Both means you're Alabama.
 
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The national media seems to think that Franklin is really on the outs at Penn State. I really don't get that feeling at all from people I know who are Penn State people, like my dad. I think the insane, unheard of, number of injuries they are dealing with give him a good excuse.

Plus they are still not working with legit Big 10 depth yet in the 2 deep. I expect Franklin to stay put for at least until the end of 2017.
 

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Joker going to work for Top 10 coach Urban Meyer. Sarz going to work for Nick GD Saban.

Head coaches with previous success and won multiple bowl games, Franklin and Strong go work for a dumpster fire program with a dead man walking head coach who has never had a winning season at the bottom of the barrel SEC team.

Now which one of these two seems like a VERY BAD idea ?? Well unless you want to play career suicide. Not a chance in HELL Strong, nor Franklin would come to UK,,,,, to be a damn assistant under a wet behind the ears greenhorn, what the hell is wrong with some of you ??? This is not a troll, or bashing, it is just trying comprehend how you would think it is even remotely possible ??? DO you not know anything about how football works ????

There is a 100-1 better chance Mark Stoops would be working for one of those two at their next gig then them working for him @ UK. NOT HAPPENING. Hell I doubt Joker would come here under Stoops as a OC.
 
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Joker going to work for Top 10 coach Urban Meyer. Sarz going to work for Nick GD Saban.

Head coaches with previous success and won multiple bowl games, Franklin and Strong go work for a dumpster fire program with a dead man walking head coach who has never had a winning season at the bottom of the barrel SEC team.

Now which one of these two seems like a VERY BAD idea ?? Well unless you want to play career suicide. Not a chance in HELL Strong, nor Franklin would come to UK,,,,, to be a damn assistant under a wet behind the ears greenhorn, what the hell is wrong with some of you ??? This is not a troll, or bashing, it is just trying comprehend how you would think it is even remotely possible ??? DO you not know anything about how football works ????

There is a 100-1 better chance Mark Stoops would be working for one of those two at their next gig then them working for him @ UK. NOT HAPPENING. Hell I doubt Joker would come here under Stoops as a OC.

Dramatic much? Tell us how you really feel! What about Chizik to UNC to work for former FCS coach?
 

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UNC / UK football,, same thing, pretty equal success really. I mean UNC is currently 2-2 with a bad home loss to a team they had beat 35-10, gave up 35 points in a half to team that would lose to a good high school team, and absolutely got boat raced at FSU,,, oh wait, no they are not the same thing. Taking a job at UNC is a hell of a lot better gig than UK. Got any more dumb points I can set you straight on ???

If not for probation, this would be 8 straight years UNC would have been bowling, instead 7 of 8. Yeah, UK is in a bowl, have a winning record pretty much every year to. I can see the comparison.
 
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brianpoe

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Dramatic much? Tell us how you really feel! What about Chizik to UNC to work for former FCS coach?


You really are out of your league partner.

Are you really going to compare Stoops and UK to UNC?

Fedora was a head coach for 4 years at Southern Miss where he led them to 12-2 and a top 20 ranking prior to taking the UNC job back in 2012.


Another reason why Chizik would go to UNC:

2015 11-3 #15
2014 6-7
2013 7-6
2012 8-4
2011 7-6
2010 8-5
2009 8-5
2008 8-5


We won 8 games back in 2007...


You should just give up man, you have been wrong about so many facts that your initial intentions have been lost and forgotten.
 

catsfanbgky

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Let's not forget 4-1 this year, with a win @ FSU, 1ST PLACE in their division. If UK loses to Vandy, they will be LAST place in theirs.
 
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