Lindsey Graham says Senate to investigate collusion between Clinton campaign and Obama DOJ
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I posted a while back on here that once all of the facts are known, and all of the investigations are complete that it would in fact be Hillary and the Dems who did the colluding and obstructing. Seems to me with this announcement that prediction is turning out to look more and more likely to be true.
It is not by coincidence that Lynch instructed Comey to use the very same language of the Clinton campaign regarding the "matter." It is also not coincidence that Hillary's interrogation did not produce a transcript nor is it a coincidence that "intent" which is not part of the statute was used to exonerate Hillary.
There is corruption in DC and it is not Trump.
There is corruption in DC and it is not Trump.
Seems to me "intent" is what the Left is reading into Comey's allegedly damning memo about Trump, but they don't want to give Trump the same benefit of the doubt over his "intent" asking Comey to clear Flynn if no Law was broken.
They're also quite willing grant Comey's version of "intent" to clear Hillary of her obvious violations of Federal Law, but Trump's "intent" to get to the bottom of the Russian probe to them is "obstruction of Justice"
Nice "intentional" double standard there huh Pax?
This is ALL POLITICAL. There was no crime. The Dems are trying to destroy Trump and his agenda and win in '18. That is their gameplay. But if Meuller concludes in later summer, early fall that no crimes were committed, the Dems are in big time trouble. They have no policy ideas except resistance against Trump. Won't work. The people want tax reform, jobs, infrastructure and a growing economy. That is where the '18 election will be won or lost.
But at what point do you stop worrying about the next election and start doing something now? So you're thinking of winning in 2018. Then after the 2018 elections you'll be thinking of winning in 2020. But meanwhile the GOP controls the White House and both houses of Congress RIGHT NOW! What was the point of them winning in 2016 if instead of doing something after they won they instead focused on how to win in 2018? Isn't the point of winning that you'll be able to do stuff after you win?
I am not talking about the GOP but the Dems. They want to stop all legislation. Tax reform. Immigration. Infrastructure. They want to continue these political hearings in that effort.
They will lose if Meuller exonerates Trump, because the Dems have no agenda. They only have resistance.
The Dems still have great power in the Senate since you need 60 votes. So don't claim the GOP controls everything, they do not.
Oh, that will happen, and they already are in trouble Pax!
Their agenda has been thoroughly rejected by a large majority of the American people except the folks they've hoodwinked into remaining attached the Fed's umbilical cord.
I agree with you, once this economy really gets humming (it's already got a pretty good head of steam) the Dems will be left standing on street corners holding signs that read "will pay for votes"
The Dems lost already in the 2016 elections. The GOP is in power. They don't have 60 seats in the Senate but they're not going to have 60 seats after the 2018 election either. The GOP has as much power as a party can realistically get these days. Either do something or if the system is such that the party in power can't do anything then change the system.
The Dems had 60 Senate seats in 2008. It can be done. Many Dem Senators from red states up for reelection in 2018. If the Dems are all about resistance, Trump is exonerated and the Dems have no message while the economy improves, the Dems are in trouble.
Obamacare needs Dems votes. They are giving none. If Obamacare implodes in the fall with huge price hikes, fewer doctors, fewer choices, higher deductibles, who will the people blame? Not the GOP, it was the Dems that passed Obamacare and stopped its replacement. Long way to go yet. Many scenarios can still play out.
This is one of those rare instances where I think Op2 actually knows what he's talking about. There are no excuses for the Republicans right now.
Not all of Trump's resistance to passing his agenda is coming from Democrats. True they can vote against his proposals, but with working majorities in both houses and the White House, the Republicans should be able to pass whatever they want and there is really not much the Dems can do to stop them.
It's a matter of will and leadership. If they fail, they can't blame the Dems, or the Left, or the Media.
In effect they can't copy Hillary, who blames everyone but herself for her own failure.
The Republicans have to look in the mirror if they can't pass legislation reflecting the voter's choice to place them in charge of fixing what's screwed up in this country.
Op2 is exactly correct, time for them to put up or shut up!
According to Wikipedia the Dems didn't have 60 seats after the 2008 elections. And anyway, is that the GOP strategy? Do nothing until they get 60 seats, which will probably never happen?
It's true that the electoral map looks bad for the Dems in 2018 because of who is up for re-election but the GOP still has to appeal to people to win and it's going to have a harder time doing that if they're not doing stuff. And on top of that, believe it or not President Trump has pretty low approval ratings. And on top of that the party of the POTUS is usually at a disadvantage in midterms all other things being equal.
If the health care situation gets worse who will the people blame? They'll blame the party in power of course, like they always do when things go bad.
I agree with you but don't go quite as far. The GOP is infighting for sure. But they still need 60 votes in the Senate for some pretty big things. Infrastructure for example. I most certainly agree the GOP needs to pass tax reform and immigration (the fence, security, sanctuary cities, etc.). So, let's say Op is half right.
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Your take on the need for some Democrat support is of course correct Pax, but this is where I think Republican leadership needs to step up.
They have to convince Red State Dems that it's political suicide to oppose Trump's agenda and as far as I can see they can't even convince half of their caucus of that fact!
Absolutely right. But his won't happen, Imo, unless Trump is completely exonerated by Meuller.
Trump isn't going to be anything-ed by Mueller for awhile yet. What do we do in the meantime? Sit around and wait?
No, you move the agenda forward. Now that the investigation is in Meuller's hands it actually frees up the legislators to spend more time on legislation.
You have no idea how long Meuller will take. Neither do I. I expect it to be done in the early Fall. You obviously disagree. Who knows. But as the intel committees investigations wind down, Meuller won't talk and the media will have to focus on other things.
I don't obviously disagree. I don't know when the investigation is going to be done. But even if it's done by early fall that's 3.5 to 4 months away.
We'll see if it frees up the legislators to legislate but so far we're 4.5 months in and not a lot has happened other than putting out fires.
They are doing things but it gets lost in the "Trump colluded with the Russians-lied-and obstructed" daily media circus.
WVU82 posted a very important piece of legislation that passed the House yesterday repealing Dodd-Frank.
The Airport infrastructure EO is massive. I've posted about ongoing efforts to revitalize inner cities (that Dodd Frank repeal is a key to it) and the tax reform legislation should be ready by the end of Summer.
In an odd sort of way you are both correct.
Op2 is right to suggest the Republicans are not excused from just sitting on their hands, and Pax you are correct that once this scandal fog is cleared from Trump's itinerary, it's a green light for him and the Republicans to rock-n-roll.
Make no mistake, the Dems would rather see the Republicans bogged down either fighting themselves, Trump, or baseless scandal charges...doesn't matter to them as long as Trump is stopped.
That's their #1 priority.