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Interesting ESPN article highlighting the fact that the NFL coaches do call plays to keep the scores in line with bets.
The Chiefs began the week as 8-point favorites at most sportsbooks, but the line grew and ticked up to -9.5 ahead of Saturday's kickoff. That half point would come into play in the final seconds.

With the Chiefs leading 23-12, the Texans attempted a 35-yard field goal with 1:52 to play. Kansas City blocked the kick, seemingly securing an 11-point win. Seemingly.

On the Chiefs' ensuing possession after the blocked kick, they ran three plays and lined up to punt, but elected to take an intentional safety instead, trimming the margin of victory to nine, 23-14.

Bettors who waited to take the underdog Texans +9.5 won, thanks to the safety. At ESPN BET, 72% of the money that was bet on the point spread when it reached 9.5 was on Houston.
 

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HTTR!

The Vikings getting smoked was a clue.
Detroit was a great team this year, but all those injuries had an effect. They had to blitz too much, and Jayden Daniels is a BEAST.
Daniels has a calm about him that doesn’t come around very often. As a Gamecocks fan I, inevitably, keep waiting on JD to crack. The problem is, he just doesn’t. Also, outside of the schoolyard 4th down call on the first drive, what a game called by Kliff Kingsbury.
 

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Jayden Daniels is sooooo smooth. Several times they hinted that “it’s just an easy read he’s making”, but he did it over and over and over again. But a few of his long passes were absolute dimes. And the kid never seemed upset or bothered. In fact, at one point, he looked bored on the sideline up by 10 in the second quarter, lol.

I don’t often watch pro football all the way through, but that game had me hooked. That was a lot of fun to watch.
 
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Jayden Daniels is sooooo smooth. Several times they hinted that “it’s just an easy read he’s making”, but he did it over and over and over again. But a few of his long passes were absolute dimes. And the kid never seemed upset or bothered. In fact, at one point, he looked bored on the sideline up by 10 in the second quarter, lol.

I don’t often watch pro football all the way through, but that game had me hooked. That was a lot of fun to watch.
How did their O line look?
 

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Was hoping for a Lions victory. The last time they won the NFL title, the Dodgers had recently accounced their move from Brooklyn to LA. Before I was born.
 
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I was hoping the Lions would get in the Super Bowl since they have never been.
However, I was raised watching the ‘Skins so I am thrilled for the Commanders. It’s been thirty something years since they were in the NFC Championship game. Thank goodness they got rid of Dan Snyder.
 

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I am glad the Lions are out. They took out my Vikings, a team I have been a fan of since their expansion year of 1961. The Vikings have been in 4 Super Bowls, unfortunately losing them all.:(
 
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I am glad the Lions are out. They took out my Vikings, a team I have been a fan of since their expansion year of 1961. The Vikings have been in 4 Super Bowls, unfortunately losing them all.:(
The Vikings are the oldest North American sports franchise which was never won a league title.
 

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The Vikings are the oldest North American sports franchise which was never won a league title.
At least the Vikings made it to the championship game 4 times. Would have loved to have won it all once. But I enjoyed those great seasons as a young guy. And I enjoyed this season as a much older guy, much more so than fans of such teams as the Giants, Bears, Panthers, etc.
 

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I’m a Viks fan, we wet the bed and the Lions sh** the bed. I’m pulling for the Bills that franchise, like my Viks, deserve a Super Bowl. But it will be KC, you have to beat the man to be the man.
 

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At least the Vikings made it to the championship game 4 times. Would have loved to have won it all once. But I enjoyed those great seasons as a young guy. And I enjoyed this season as a much older guy, much more so than fans of such teams as the Giants, Bears, Panthers, etc.
Indeed, the Vikings did, including the last year prior to the AFL-NFL merger. The Lions were contenders throughout much of the 1950s.
 

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The Redskins used to be the team the South pulled for before the Falcons came along. My grandfather was a Redskins fan so I sort of wanted them to do well growing up. Once they went woke and changed their name, I pull for anyone who plays against them.
 
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The Vikings are the oldest North American sports franchise which was never won a league title.

Technically they won the NFL Championship in 1969 but lost the Super Bowl, did they not? The leagues merges in 1970.

They are listed on Wiki as the 1969 National Football League champions, that's a League, so it must be true? :)

But as a Viking fan this years flop doesn't even register on the pain scale, LOL, I still wake up in cold sweats dreaming about Gary Anderson and the 15-1 1998 Vikings, I just hope we can get Kevin O'Connell a QB before he bolts, amazing what he did with Darnold before it came crashing down
 
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The Redskins used to be the team the South pulled for before the Falcons came along. My grandfather was a Redskins fan so I sort of wanted them to do well growing up. Once they went woke and changed their name, I pull for anyone who plays against them.
Even after the Falcons came along, SC was still a Redskins market. We were guaranteed a TV slot each week, and we had Redskins Radio affiliates here. HTTR ❤️💛
 
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Even after the Falcons came along, SC was still a Redskins market. We were guaranteed a TV slot each week, and we had Redskins Radio affiliates here. HTTR ❤️💛
The Redskins used to be the team the South pulled for before the Falcons came along. My grandfather was a Redskins fan so I sort of wanted them to do well growing up. Once they went woke and changed their name, I pull for anyone who plays against them.

I agree with USCBatgirl21, I dont think the South ever became at Falcon market, Heck there were seasons in the 1970's and 1980's you could argue Atlanta was not a Falcon market.

Growing in in Columbia, pre panthers, in the 1980's seems like here it was Redskins-Cowboys, with the Steelers and Raiders next, I knew no Falcon fans nor saw much Falcon gear, LOL
 

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The Redskins used to be the team the South pulled for before the Falcons came along. My grandfather was a Redskins fan so I sort of wanted them to do well growing up. Once they went woke and changed their name, I pull for anyone who plays against them.
I wasn’t thrilled about the name change until I talked with a Native American. Many of them really dislike the name “redskins”.
I understand our country now has millions of people who think having respect for others is passé. I was raised to respect all people. If that is being “woke “ then I am guilty as charged.
 

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Washington cant win, its a issue with differing opinions, in 2023 they got sued by one group of Native Americans for not using the name any more.

Native American Group sues Washington Commanders over erasure of 'Redskins' identity​

Updated September 25, 2023 1:52pm PDT
Washington, D.C.
FOX News

Fans support changing Commanders name back to 'Redskins'​

It’s no secret, a lot of Washington Commanders fans aren’t exactly in love with the new team name. There's a new Change.org petition that has garnered over 69,000 signatures calling on the Commanders to reclaim their old name. FOX 5's Josh Rosenthal has the story.

WASHINGTON - A Native American group filed a lawsuit against the Washington Commanders in federal court this morning that upends a long-standing cancel-culture narrative about racism in sports.
The Native American Guardians Association (NAGA) accuses the NFL franchise and new owner Josh Harris of defamation, civil conspiracy and civil rights violations for their role in suppressing Native American history, in a complaint filed in the United States District Court of North Dakota.


NAGA led a viral petition this summer demanding that the organization reclaim its traditional Redskins identity. It generated 150,000 signatures.
"Commanders is a fitting name for oppressors," the suit stated.

The group seeks $1.6 million in damages and "a seat at the table to share Native American history," plaintiff attorney Chad LaVeglia told Fox News Digital.

"We believe the complaint is without merit, and we will address the matter in court," said a Commanders spokesperson.
The complaint also names the powerful National Congress of American Indians (NCAI) for its role in erasing from public discussion the image and history of real Native Americans. The suit claims that the NCAI contributes to a legacy of cultural oppression suffered by indigenous peoples.

"The name ‘Redskins’ carries deep cultural, historical, and emotional significance, honoring the bravery, resilience, and warrior spirit associated with Native American culture," the NAGA complaint states.

The Redskins were, it adds, "the only team in the National Football League (NFL) to honor an actual Native American."
Central to the NAGA argument is that the Redskins name and logo were inspired by real historic tribal leaders who played influential roles in American history and that this factual narrative was obliterated by the NCAI.

The franchise adopted the name Redskins in 1933 and, since 1972, the team logo was a portrait of celebrated late Blackfoot Chief John Two Guns White Calf.
 

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I wasn’t thrilled about the name change until I talked with a Native American. Many of them really dislike the name “redskins”.
I understand our country now has millions of people who think having respect for others is passé. I was raised to respect all people. If that is being “woke “ then I am guilty as charged.
They didn't change the name out of any kind of respect. Snyder only dropped it because FedEx threatened to withhold the funding for the new stadium he wanted to build if he didn't.

My NA family members (I'm 1/16 NA) took great pride in the name and logo, and we still call them Redskins to this day. As do many NA people.
HTTR ❤️💛
 
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Washington cant win, its a issue with differing opinions, in 2023 they got sued by one group of Native Americans for not using the name any more.

Native American Group sues Washington Commanders over erasure of 'Redskins' identity​

Updated September 25, 2023 1:52pm PDT
Washington, D.C.
FOX News

Fans support changing Commanders name back to 'Redskins'​

It’s no secret, a lot of Washington Commanders fans aren’t exactly in love with the new team name. There's a new Change.org petition that has garnered over 69,000 signatures calling on the Commanders to reclaim their old name. FOX 5's Josh Rosenthal has the story.

WASHINGTON - A Native American group filed a lawsuit against the Washington Commanders in federal court this morning that upends a long-standing cancel-culture narrative about racism in sports.
The Native American Guardians Association (NAGA) accuses the NFL franchise and new owner Josh Harris of defamation, civil conspiracy and civil rights violations for their role in suppressing Native American history, in a complaint filed in the United States District Court of North Dakota.


NAGA led a viral petition this summer demanding that the organization reclaim its traditional Redskins identity. It generated 150,000 signatures.
"Commanders is a fitting name for oppressors," the suit stated.

The group seeks $1.6 million in damages and "a seat at the table to share Native American history," plaintiff attorney Chad LaVeglia told Fox News Digital.

"We believe the complaint is without merit, and we will address the matter in court," said a Commanders spokesperson.
The complaint also names the powerful National Congress of American Indians (NCAI) for its role in erasing from public discussion the image and history of real Native Americans. The suit claims that the NCAI contributes to a legacy of cultural oppression suffered by indigenous peoples.

"The name ‘Redskins’ carries deep cultural, historical, and emotional significance, honoring the bravery, resilience, and warrior spirit associated with Native American culture," the NAGA complaint states.

The Redskins were, it adds, "the only team in the National Football League (NFL) to honor an actual Native American."
Central to the NAGA argument is that the Redskins name and logo were inspired by real historic tribal leaders who played influential roles in American history and that this factual narrative was obliterated by the NCAI.

The franchise adopted the name Redskins in 1933 and, since 1972, the team logo was a portrait of celebrated late Blackfoot Chief John Two Guns White Calf.
FTR, Harris has said he would be open to returning to the name and logo, as he was raised in the DMV and is a lifelong Redskins fan. We shall see what happens. In the meantime, in my house, they were, are, will always be the Redskins.

I found a website recently that sells vintage Redskins gear. Just take ALL my money!
 

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Was hoping for a Lions victory. The last time they won the NFL title, the Dodgers had recently accounced their move from Brooklyn to LA. Before I was born.
And never been to a Super Bowl, either. This looked like it might be the year.
 

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Washington cant win, its a issue with differing opinions, in 2023 they got sued by one group of Native Americans for not using the name any more.

Native American Group sues Washington Commanders over erasure of 'Redskins' identity​

Updated September 25, 2023 1:52pm PDT
Washington, D.C.
FOX News

Fans support changing Commanders name back to 'Redskins'​

It’s no secret, a lot of Washington Commanders fans aren’t exactly in love with the new team name. There's a new Change.org petition that has garnered over 69,000 signatures calling on the Commanders to reclaim their old name. FOX 5's Josh Rosenthal has the story.

WASHINGTON - A Native American group filed a lawsuit against the Washington Commanders in federal court this morning that upends a long-standing cancel-culture narrative about racism in sports.
The Native American Guardians Association (NAGA) accuses the NFL franchise and new owner Josh Harris of defamation, civil conspiracy and civil rights violations for their role in suppressing Native American history, in a complaint filed in the United States District Court of North Dakota.


NAGA led a viral petition this summer demanding that the organization reclaim its traditional Redskins identity. It generated 150,000 signatures.
"Commanders is a fitting name for oppressors," the suit stated.

The group seeks $1.6 million in damages and "a seat at the table to share Native American history," plaintiff attorney Chad LaVeglia told Fox News Digital.

"We believe the complaint is without merit, and we will address the matter in court," said a Commanders spokesperson.
The complaint also names the powerful National Congress of American Indians (NCAI) for its role in erasing from public discussion the image and history of real Native Americans. The suit claims that the NCAI contributes to a legacy of cultural oppression suffered by indigenous peoples.

"The name ‘Redskins’ carries deep cultural, historical, and emotional significance, honoring the bravery, resilience, and warrior spirit associated with Native American culture," the NAGA complaint states.

The Redskins were, it adds, "the only team in the National Football League (NFL) to honor an actual Native American."
Central to the NAGA argument is that the Redskins name and logo were inspired by real historic tribal leaders who played influential roles in American history and that this factual narrative was obliterated by the NCAI.

The franchise adopted the name Redskins in 1933 and, since 1972, the team logo was a portrait of celebrated late Blackfoot Chief John Two Guns White Calf.

Don't bring facts into a discussion about some triggered people's feelings.
 

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Technically they won the NFL Championship in 1969 but lost the Super Bowl, did they not? The leagues merges in 1970.

They are listed on Wiki as the 1969 National Football League champions, that's a League, so it must be true? :)

But as a Viking fan this years flop doesn't even register on the pain scale, LOL, I still wake up in cold sweats dreaming about Gary Anderson and the 15-1 1998 Vikings, I just hope we can get Kevin O'Connell a QB before he bolts, amazing what he did with Darnold before it came crashing down
Point well taken; thanks.
 
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I agree with USCBatgirl21, I dont think the South ever became at Falcon market, Heck there were seasons in the 1970's and 1980's you could argue Atlanta was not a Falcon market.

Growing in in Columbia, pre panthers, in the 1980's seems like here it was Redskins-Cowboys, with the Steelers and Raiders next, I knew no Falcon fans nor saw much Falcon gear, LOL
Growing up in Beaufort, we'd usually pick up Falcons games via WTOC-TV from Savannah, and Redskins games via WCSC-TV from Charleston.
Generally speaking, the only things which have changed are that the NFC is now mostly carried by Fox instead of CBS, and the Panthers have replaced the Redskins. And WTOC CBS Savannah often carries Jaguar games (lucky them! 😅).

I'm also a bit of a map reader. I visit https://506sports.com often during NFL season.

They have a map of the country which shows what NFL game is being televised in each TV market during each game time. With regularity, different games are shown in Charleston and Savannah, both NFC (Fox) and AFC (CBS).
 
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CFL had a similar issue with the Edmonton football franchise a few years ago. They changed the team's nickname from Eskimos to Elks.

My former employer has an office in Edmonton, and I chatted with someone up there about the change to Elks She advised me that an Elk is not an animal to be messed with. Another point well taken!
 

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They didn't change the name out of any kind of respect. Snyder only dropped it because FedEx threatened to withhold the funding for the new stadium he wanted to build if he didn't.

My NA family members (I'm 1/16 NA) took great pride in the name and logo, and we still call them Redskins to this day. As do many NA people.
HTTR ❤️💛
AFAIK, I have 0% NA in my ancestry, so maybe my opinion is null... But, I always looked at the Redskins as a football mascot as an homage to Native Americans.
 

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AFAIK, I have 0% NA in my ancestry, so maybe my opinion is null... But, I always looked at the Redskins as a football mascot as an homage to Native Americans.
The logo is an actual drawing of former Blackfeet Chief John Two Guns White Calf, and was drawn by Blackfeet member, and NCAI Chairman, Walter "Blackie" Wetzel in 1971.
 
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AFAIK, I have 0% NA in my ancestry, so maybe my opinion is null... But, I always looked at the Redskins as a football mascot as an homage to Native Americans.
If I have any NA blood, I am not aware of it, but I have followed these discussions.

I've always thought that, as long as a generic Native American moniker is noble - as with the Braves, that seemed complimentary. The Cleveland Indians, with that comic book logo of theirs, seemed less acceptable to me.

I believe Florida State took the best approach, identifying with a particular tribe by name and cutting them in on apparel sales and other commercial uses of the name. Also, their depiction of the Native American ethos is respectful and not jocular.
 

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The logo is an actual drawing of former Blackfeet Chief John Two Guns White Calf, and was drawn by Blackfeet member, and NCAI Chairman, Walter "Blackie" Wetzel in 1971.
In keeping with my train of thought, had the Chief's tribe been the team's nickname, I expect there never would have been the controversy that we have seen. But then again, maybe "Blackfeet" would have been a problem for some people, but I suspect not for the tribe being honored.
 

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I was hoping the Lions would get in the Super Bowl since they have never been.
However, I was raised watching the ‘Skins so I am thrilled for the Commanders. It’s been thirty something years since they were in the NFC Championship game. Thank goodness they got rid of Dan Snyder.
I appreciate your saying that, since some folks haven't apprehended the fact.

The Lions are the only team in the NFC and one of four teams overall, along with the Browns, Jaguars, and Texans, to never reach the Super Bowl. The closest they came to playing in the big game was in 1991, going 12-4 and reaching the NFC Conference Championship led by Wayne Fontes, Barry Sanders and Chris Spielman.