No, they are back in football at the FCS level; and the old Big East, with the original charter, is called the American Athletic Conference now.
LMFAO on ACC's position
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Didn't answer the question of those sucking the money out that do not bring money in.
Everyone knows why those 4 big boys were asked to join in.
Do you think a Duke vs Rutgers game is going to be a big draw?
That’s what makes them relevant they do that when it’s not expected. But to be honest their fans do expect that and that’s what makes them UNC. And next year they are expected to make it to the final four so how are they not a factor in basketball again. ???? Now football if they take it seriously and I think they are of you look at the upgrades they are a sleeping giant.
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How much does the Big 10 make by adding another AAU school? They want AAU schools to maintain that grant money, but does it actually add? By your reasoning, Kansas has every bit the appeal as a national basketball brand with an after thought football program and AAU status.
Sports revenue value is the sole driver of Big 10 and SEC expansion. Duke doesn't have the appeal of UNC or UVA nor do UVA or UNC have the appeal to force the Big 10 or SEC to take a program they do not really want.
No matter what happens to Duke, I just don't see how your contention that UNC or UVA wield the power to push a power conference to take unwanted baggage with them is true.
Right.....at the FCS level. Notice you also said "back," indicating it was gone at the first place.
The ACC isn't kicking out Wake Forest or Duke in the same way that the Big Ten isn't kicking out Northwestern or the SEC isn't kicking out Vanderbilt.
If you think playing at the FCS level, after going about a decade without sponsoring football, proves the point, good for you, I guess.
You said it is gone, meaning present tense (now). It doesn’t matter what level they are currently, because you didn’t specify that. But I know you’re trying to save face, and that’s okay.
Ultimately it is about money and those with a long view know you can't make money if you do not exist. Since it is inevitable that the conference will be raided, planning to survive as a 2nd teir to the Big 10/SEC style of conference is the prudent thing. Hence a team with value enough contribute to the post inevitable raid should be considered before the Big 12 has locked up all the best options and are in a position to make the inevitable raid a dissolution.
It's already obvious that if the ACC loses Clemson, UNC, UVA, and FSU/Miami, that the conference will be in as bad a position as the current PAC-12, or worse. When that day comes a portion of the remaining teams of Miami/FSU, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, VT, Louisville, Wake Forest, Duke, NC State, and GT have to choose to stay together with the additions of schools like Memphis, SMU, Tulane, UAB, etc... or join a Big 12. If 2 or 4 of those remaining teams join the Big 12, then there is no hope of the ACC not dissolving or limping on as an AAC/Sun Belt level conference.
I'm not trying to save face. The WAC stopped playing football for nearly a decade. You think that the fact that they started playing again, at the FCS level after being defunct for nearly 10 years, somehow bolsters your argument.
Let me ask you this. If the ACC stops playing football for ten years, and then restarts at FCS, is that a "win" for the ACC? Is that "surviving."
If the conference loses Clemson, Florida St., Miami. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, etc., then there isn't any point of surviving. The remaining teams would be better off breaking away and forming a new league.
Your comment was not about a win. It was whether if was in existence, and it is. Nothing less and nothing more.
If you think FCS means it doesn't exist then your wrong.
St. Thomas kicked out of football conference for beating the hell out of everybody .
Temple kicked out of Big East for sucking
CUSA attempted to kick Louisville out but it ended up a vote short.
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That is the point. If they had WVU, Cincy, UCF, and maybe even Memphis right now, they could be viable after those top teams are poached. Hence, the ACC was short sighted to turn their nose up at teams on WVU's level. Of course the team knowing they could jump ship later would, and should, vote no as it is a net loss for them while awaiting the big boy invite. The rest were arrogantly short sighted to do so.
Either way it is too late now. If you are not in, or highly unlikely to be invited to, the Big 10 or SEC then the Big 12 is currently the best place to be. WVU would be stupid to join the ACC now even if that league stays together for it's full contract through 2036. It would be foolish to exchange slightly better prestige, if only for Clemson, and better geographic scheduling for 13 years before hoping you can make the cut to rejoin the Big 12 when Pitt, Syracuse, BC, VT, NC State, and Louisville would also be competing. WVU would also have the disadvantage of bad blood with the Big 12 in that situation. It doesn't mean the ACC wasn't arrogantly short sighted when turning it's nose up to WVU over the last 2 decades.
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If they make another Final Four run then call me wrong. Otherwise that run was an aberration. They looked very average until the last week of the regular season.
You are fixated on the conference. The conference is only a vehicle for the schools. The only reason to leave or join a conference is because it improves your school's chances of being successful.
So here is my point. Let's just say all the big schools: Clemson, Florida St. Miami, North Carolina, etc., leave. If you are let's say Virginia Tech and NC State, there would be no point in staying in the ACC, even with Cincinnati, Central Florida, Memphis, etc. In that case, you would be better off blowing up the entire conference and starting from scratch.
There's no reason to save the ACC just for the sake of saving it.
So let's say moving to the Big 12 is not an option for ACC teams when at the very least 4 schools (Clemson, UNC, UVA, and FSU or Miami) are taken from the ACC? What does "blowing it up and starting from scratch" look like? Going independent? If not, cobbling together what's left for a new conference looks an awful like like just adding whatever you can to the ACC leftovers.
Now let's say joining the Big 12 is an option. Which would you rather be? The new programs to a middling conference or the established old guard at a conference in the same middling level where most of the members have similar interests to your program? Any program would be a fool to not desire that, if you cannot be in the Big 10 or SEC, that you are least the old boys in the most stable 2nd tier conference.
Moot point now, but doesn't change that the schools voting in the ACC were arrogantly foolish turning up their noses at programs like WVU. At least the ones that will not be in the Big 10 or SEC
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ignoring the fact everyone else here ignores (that big 12 is done, their only 2 big dogs poached, pac is done, their only 1 big dog poached with its little brother coming along, and the acc has not actually lost anyone but is the one conference you guys say is fosho dead..for 8 years now)
why on gods green earth would the acc take memphis , not only now but ever. there are 50 other schools on their level you can get marshall ftlog is another memphis in football....
cincy has had a good program, im not on board but can accept them.
UCF , all their locals that speak english are FSU or UF fans, not bringing in a market or rivalries or a real needle mover.
if they take anyone they need to take kansas, wvu, oklahoma state and i guess whichever 3rd tier texas school you guys want to bring. then top to bottom its still a very solid conference right there with the big10 on the field and still the leader on the hardwood. want 4 more take the pac schools then. az, oregon, stanford, and washington.
i personally dont care if you want to call it the ACC, big20, pac , NBE(new big east!)whatever. only way to compete with those 2.
why on gods green earth would the acc take memphis , not only now but ever. there are 50 other schools on their level you can get marshall ftlog is another memphis in football....
cincy has had a good program, im not on board but can accept them.
UCF , all their locals that speak english are FSU or UF fans, not bringing in a market or rivalries or a real needle mover.
if they take anyone they need to take kansas, wvu, oklahoma state and i guess whichever 3rd tier texas school you guys want to bring. then top to bottom its still a very solid conference right there with the big10 on the field and still the leader on the hardwood. want 4 more take the pac schools then. az, oregon, stanford, and washington.
i personally dont care if you want to call it the ACC, big20, pac , NBE(new big east!)whatever. only way to compete with those 2.
No conference is as dependent on one team as the ACC is on Clemson. WHEN Clemson gets taken by the SEC, then that **** will go sideways. Even if Clemson didn't get poached, their revenue will slowly make them a dramatically lower tier conference.
The Big 12 will not be a massive drop off from where they are now. OK was great, but did very little in the playoff. Once the dust settles and the playoffs expand to 8 then the Big 12 will always have a team in it.
The BIG 12 is not only not "dead", its by far in the strongest position of the non B10/SEC power conferences, while the ACC is in the position of most likely to disintegrate. Whether its in 2036, or a decade earlier (more likely) doesn't matter, once the GOR is down so is the ACC. The PAC was less valuable, less viewed and less supported than the BIG 12 already, they won't be more valuable after losing their two more valuable properties in UCLA and USC with others desperate to get out the door asap (see Oregon, Washington). Projections have them still $20 plus million per school behind the BIG 12 and it could get worse (we should know more about the PACs situation in a couple of weeks once their ESPN/FOX early negotiations are finished.
Whatever Bucky. You seem to be the one gaslighting your own threads. Congrats on returning to dmbassary land.
Shall I link all your post where you have attacked individuals that do not agree with the garbage you post?