Lol at the people that have no respect for Leach
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No the problem is Mike Leach despite beating LSU will almost for sure still have a losing record and if they were playing creampuff Saturday, would likely blow it vs a 1-aa creampuff school. That is his track record. This was also Pelini’s 1st game as DC at LSU.
and for the record I’m no fan of the debacle I’m watching. It’s embarrassing.
and for the record I’m no fan of the debacle I’m watching. It’s embarrassing.
Mike Leach knows how to win in the Big 12 and everywhere else he goes, despite the lack of recruiting big names.
The only thing I never liked about Leach was his lack of ability to get his team a good D. Every game is a shootout. He is a great coach, but if he put more effort in bringing in a really good DC and effort in D recruiting, he could very well be a championship caliber coach. The teams that win championships play good D as well. That's why OU cant pull it off especially with Riley as the HC. He doesnt care enough about his D. You have to be good on both sides to be the champs.
Leach’s conference record was 47-33 in 10 years at TX Tech and 36-36 in 8 years at WA State. In 18 seasons he’s never won nor even played for a conference title and he won’t at Miss State either.
Is he better than what WVU has or has had since being in the Big XII? YES Absolutely
Does that make him a good coach? NO Absolutely Not. He’ll break your heart every time you start to believe and lose games that make you want to kill him. He’s a little better than Holgorsen, but neither coach or any coach from the Hal Mummy tree ever plays defense enough to be a great coach.
Is he better than what WVU has or has had since being in the Big XII? YES Absolutely
Does that make him a good coach? NO Absolutely Not. He’ll break your heart every time you start to believe and lose games that make you want to kill him. He’s a little better than Holgorsen, but neither coach or any coach from the Hal Mummy tree ever plays defense enough to be a great coach.
47-33. Also didn’t inherit a team that played for BCS bowl games. He elevated Texas Tech from the Dykes years. He also turned Washington St back to their winning ways from the Mike Price era.
So he had 10 years at Texas Tech.......and 8 years at Washington State...........and was just above a .500 record head coach, and you are wanting to point fingers at his predecessors for not giving him good players? How about he recruit some?
He recruited what he could and won in the Big 12 back when the conference had better/competitive teams that they do now. It’s a miracle he did what he did at Washington St. The programs he inherited were not winning programs when he took over, unlike when Dana and Neal Brown took over here at WVU.
Recruited what he could? Actually, if you look at Texas Tech 10 seasons before Leach they averaged 7 wins..........with Leach they average 8 wins......
I dont think those records tell the whole story.
He is like Huggins. Can take any team and make them good but doesnt coach at the top schools so he isnt going to win national titles.
Mike Leach elevated Texas Tech and never finished below 4th in the south division or with a losing record in conference exception first year 7-6 (3-5).
He averaged 8.4 wins and 4.3 losses 5-4 in bowl games. TTU 84-43 (47-33). His best year was 2008 with 11-2 (7-1).
Washington State he was basically a .500 coach. 55-47 (36-36).
He might win some games and pull an upset every now and then. If Miss. State fans are happy with 7- or 8-4 then they will be just fine. I wouldn't expect any conference championships from him much less playoffs.
He possibly could finish 3-7 or 2-8 this year.
He averaged 8.4 wins and 4.3 losses 5-4 in bowl games. TTU 84-43 (47-33). His best year was 2008 with 11-2 (7-1).
Washington State he was basically a .500 coach. 55-47 (36-36).
He might win some games and pull an upset every now and then. If Miss. State fans are happy with 7- or 8-4 then they will be just fine. I wouldn't expect any conference championships from him much less playoffs.
He possibly could finish 3-7 or 2-8 this year.
What I’ll say about Leach is what I said earlier. I think he’s pretty innovative in the offseason but he’s also too stubborn to really make changes during a game and he doesn’t beat the opponents he should (see Arkansas and Kentucky this season).
I also think a comparison between Leach and Huggins is pretty crazy except with hairstyles and a similar look and dry whit. Huggins has been cursed with players being injured (broken leg and a torn acl) or he’d have at least 1 National title. Leach has never won nor played for even a conference title.
To expand on Leach,
I watched the game vs UK and Miss State could have won but he switched qbs back and forth and he went for it on 4th and 2 from his 40 in the 3rd with Miss State trailing by a score of 14-2?????? UK was playing a soft zone at the LOS that was giving up 4 yds a pass play but Leach was pushing the ball in double and triple coverage down the field. Miss State had 6 Ints and no running game (worse than 2 yds a carry). Yes they had more yds and 1st downs than UK—bravo just like Arkansas—still doesn’t win any games.
Kentucky blitzed 3 times the whole game. The UK defense was a zone with 8 dropping in coverage. Leach doesn’t make sense on a lot of stuff that he does. He made no adjustments. How many times do you need to cross WRs downfield before you realize it ain’t working?
I also watched Arkansas @ Miss State where Miss State was the more talented team but gave Arkansas the game with insane Turnovers.
Miss State has a win over LSU where Bo Pelini played man defense the whole game. LSU played really neither man or zone (they just were out there running around getting good exercise on defense) vs Mizzoo and lost today too. Nobody else will play man vs Miss State. I wonder how much longer Bo Pelini will be at LSU.
I also think a comparison between Leach and Huggins is pretty crazy except with hairstyles and a similar look and dry whit. Huggins has been cursed with players being injured (broken leg and a torn acl) or he’d have at least 1 National title. Leach has never won nor played for even a conference title.
To expand on Leach,
I watched the game vs UK and Miss State could have won but he switched qbs back and forth and he went for it on 4th and 2 from his 40 in the 3rd with Miss State trailing by a score of 14-2?????? UK was playing a soft zone at the LOS that was giving up 4 yds a pass play but Leach was pushing the ball in double and triple coverage down the field. Miss State had 6 Ints and no running game (worse than 2 yds a carry). Yes they had more yds and 1st downs than UK—bravo just like Arkansas—still doesn’t win any games.
Kentucky blitzed 3 times the whole game. The UK defense was a zone with 8 dropping in coverage. Leach doesn’t make sense on a lot of stuff that he does. He made no adjustments. How many times do you need to cross WRs downfield before you realize it ain’t working?
I also watched Arkansas @ Miss State where Miss State was the more talented team but gave Arkansas the game with insane Turnovers.
Miss State has a win over LSU where Bo Pelini played man defense the whole game. LSU played really neither man or zone (they just were out there running around getting good exercise on defense) vs Mizzoo and lost today too. Nobody else will play man vs Miss State. I wonder how much longer Bo Pelini will be at LSU.
Arkansas is not as bad as people thought. Leach will suffer this year because the starting QB is a dud who throws 4 picks a game. With the Leach offense, he needs a more cerebral QB. Even though most of his QBs were not NFL prospects, he was able to run his offense to a high quality with cerebral QBs who ended up becoming top coaches and coordinator. (with Kingsbury, Harrell, Minshew in NFL).