This was a fun trip down memory lane. See if you agree with our rankings.
Looking back at Chris Collins' transfers
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I would move Verhoeven up…2 spots. Recency bias? Probably.
Turner was a better player, but he was misused by CCC, in the same holy-jeez-there’s-not-a-PG roster management failure that resulted in the successful addition of Spencer.
Turner probably would have been a good addition had he not been forced to play so much time out of position.
TVH filled his role perfectly, and was a rotation member on the best team in school history.
Elyjah Williams was a neat story and chucked it a bunch. I hope he got joy out of both NU and FDU’s wins over Purdue this season.
Turner was a better player, but he was misused by CCC, in the same holy-jeez-there’s-not-a-PG roster management failure that resulted in the successful addition of Spencer.
Turner probably would have been a good addition had he not been forced to play so much time out of position.
TVH filled his role perfectly, and was a rotation member on the best team in school history.
Elyjah Williams was a neat story and chucked it a bunch. I hope he got joy out of both NU and FDU’s wins over Purdue this season.
Its tough to compare guys who played 1 year or 2 years or 3 years and on different teams, with some good ones and some bad ones...
But its a nice article. Love the photos.
But its a nice article. Love the photos.
I always thought that Taylor could have been good but he missed a couple of big shots late in games early in the season and lost his confidence. He was a good shooter and a good athlete. He had a decent run in the G-League, I think, so the talent was there.
Lou, unless you meant just for CC's tenure, the "gold standard" for transfers to NU would be Walker Lambiotte.
Also, in terms of talent, one could make a case for Swop being in the running for 2nd, altho would give the nod to Audige since he played for 3 seasons as opposed to less than a full season for Swop (due to injury).
Also, in terms of talent, one could make a case for Swop being in the running for 2nd, altho would give the nod to Audige since he played for 3 seasons as opposed to less than a full season for Swop (due to injury).
I’ve always thought he was better than the general consensus here. He was a vicitim of a lot of circumstances, like the PG you mentioned. Or coming in with the expectations 20+ pts attach to a player.
Yes, the whole story was about Collins’ transfers only, so Swop and Lambiotte — and Brian Schwabe, for that matter — weren’t considered.
But I’d still put Audige ahead of Lambiotte.
Two other transfers (both from JC) were Rob Ross and Phil Styles.
Then Craig Duerksen (Seton Hall), Brian Chamberlain (Creighton), Danny Allouche (Missouri), Tim Doyle (St. John's). The transfer "balance of trade" is definitely negative from NU's perspective.
Then Craig Duerksen (Seton Hall), Brian Chamberlain (Creighton), Danny Allouche (Missouri), Tim Doyle (St. John's). The transfer "balance of trade" is definitely negative from NU's perspective.
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Thanks for clarifying, Lou - but going to disagree.
One could build a team around Lambiotte, not so much for Audige (who is an important building block around a player like Boo).
@EvanstonCat would agree. Pretty sure he still has that Lambiotte poster hanging in his bedroom. It’s right next to the Ed McCants one.
I am with Sweet Lou on this one. Chase is a stud that’s has difference making D.
^ Am appreciative of Chase's D as anyone here (having pushed back at those who didn't think the loss of Chase is as big as it is), but again, one cannot build a team around someone who is limited/erratic on O, no matter how good his D is - which is why the prospects for next season differ significantly if only one of Boo/Chase returns, depending on which one of the 2 returns.
Lambiotte avg'd 18 and 16.8 ppg in his 2 yrs in Evanston w/ eFG% of .544 and .501 (that's w/ opposing Ds keying on Walker).
Audige avg'd 9.8 and 14.1 ppg in his last 2 yrs w/ eFG% of .390 and .442.
Lambiotte wasn't just a scorer, he also totaled 137/131 rbds, 84/81 assists and was no slouch on D, getting 37/48 steals.
Audige is a nice piece, but he's the type of player you get to build around a Lambiotte, Shurna, Boo, etc.
Lambiotte avg'd 18 and 16.8 ppg in his 2 yrs in Evanston w/ eFG% of .544 and .501 (that's w/ opposing Ds keying on Walker).
Audige avg'd 9.8 and 14.1 ppg in his last 2 yrs w/ eFG% of .390 and .442.
Lambiotte wasn't just a scorer, he also totaled 137/131 rbds, 84/81 assists and was no slouch on D, getting 37/48 steals.
Audige is a nice piece, but he's the type of player you get to build around a Lambiotte, Shurna, Boo, etc.
Not just good D, it’s Big Ten Conference POY D on a 2nd round tourney team. It’s Chase, and it’s not actually close. Don’t overthink it.
Not convinced. Lambiotte obviously MUCH better on offense. A high volume of missed shots hurts the team about as much as great defense helps it. These things are difficult to evaluate objectively, especially when one player performed 30 years ago on a team that had only two talented players.
I saw Lambiotte play multiple games back in the day and can't remember him being a difference maker in any game but maybe others from the era can chime in.
Seems to me that recency bias along w/ team success are clouding opinions.
For the '88-89 season, Lambiotte is 21.8 ppg per 40 mins w/ a .556 2p%.
For this past season, Audige is 16.4 ppg per 40 mins w/ a .404 2p%.
In the 27 games Lambiotte played, he was leading scorer for the team 17 times, scoring 20 or more points 11 times (including one 32 pt game against Iowa), as well as being the leading rebounder 11 times.
In 31 regular season games, Audige scored 20 or more points 5 times.
And oh, that '88-89 team had the #1 SOS.
It's easier to find good to very good defenders (the 1st Tourney team had 4 of them in its starting 5) than it is to find an efficient/consistent scorer (look at how long it took CC to get/develop another one).
Replace Audige w/ Cobb, Hearn or Lindsey and very likely a Tourney team.
Substitute Boo with Kopp or Nance as the focal point of the O and not so much.
Recency bias is also why many here think the '22-23 team is better than the 1st Tourney team (if the 2 teams played 10 times, the '16-17 teams wins 6; 7 if the '16-17 team were running the Lowery D).
For the '88-89 season, Lambiotte is 21.8 ppg per 40 mins w/ a .556 2p%.
For this past season, Audige is 16.4 ppg per 40 mins w/ a .404 2p%.
In the 27 games Lambiotte played, he was leading scorer for the team 17 times, scoring 20 or more points 11 times (including one 32 pt game against Iowa), as well as being the leading rebounder 11 times.
In 31 regular season games, Audige scored 20 or more points 5 times.
And oh, that '88-89 team had the #1 SOS.
It's easier to find good to very good defenders (the 1st Tourney team had 4 of them in its starting 5) than it is to find an efficient/consistent scorer (look at how long it took CC to get/develop another one).
Replace Audige w/ Cobb, Hearn or Lindsey and very likely a Tourney team.
Substitute Boo with Kopp or Nance as the focal point of the O and not so much.
Recency bias is also why many here think the '22-23 team is better than the 1st Tourney team (if the 2 teams played 10 times, the '16-17 teams wins 6; 7 if the '16-17 team were running the Lowery D).
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