Looks like Koop is not doing well at IU
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No one at IU expects him to increase his scoring avg that he had at NU. IU has enough scoring around him. IU needs him to hit a couple 3’s/game and pull down 4-5 boards/game.
After how poorly Archie’s teams shot from 3 and the FT line, his strengths in those areas will be welcome. He is contributing just fine and starting.
IU has 10 guys averaging at least 10 minutes/game. Will see how things tighten lineup-wise next week in their first roadie at Syracuse.
After how poorly Archie’s teams shot from 3 and the FT line, his strengths in those areas will be welcome. He is contributing just fine and starting.
IU has 10 guys averaging at least 10 minutes/game. Will see how things tighten lineup-wise next week in their first roadie at Syracuse.
He played more minutes for Collins than anybody on our roster. To say he is a bad basketball player insults everybody associated with NU basketball last year.
You're aware that NU basketball had a 13 game losing streak last year? You can't insult that. Give me a break.
I never said he was great. At one point he was pretty good. Then he gave up (or quit, if you prefer).
Unfortunately, for everyone who wants to trash him, he had the best " team pts scored / team pts allowed" ratio on the team.
In other words Kopp raised the team's level of performance more than any other player. So when people say Kopp sucked, they are saying that every player on the team sucked, unless they admit that Collins misused his best players.
Unfortunately, for everyone who wants to trash him, he had the best " team pts scored / team pts allowed" ratio on the team.
In other words Kopp raised the team's level of performance more than any other player. So when people say Kopp sucked, they are saying that every player on the team sucked, unless they admit that Collins misused his best players.
Do you realize that you are arguing against yourself (again)? If Kopp were the most effective, then he should have been playing the most, which is what Collins ended up doing!
One can easily point out that we had zero other small forwards on the team.
Or that Collins does things wrong, and things right. One pointing out the bad does not mean it’s all bad.
Agreed. Just need to take care to mention these other considerations, rather than be swayed by stats in a vacuum.
I am not arguing against myself whatsoever.
I am just pointing out exactly what you repeated.
People who think Collins is a coaching genius cannot also think that Miller Kopp sucks.
My explanation is a bit nuanced - perhaps too complicated for many on this board.
We repeatedly used two bad lineups last year...
1. Nance with Beran and any 3 players.
2. Young without a power forward.
Here is a table of performance ratings (our points/their points) for each of our guys last year.
"Logical Lineups" are any lineup besides the two bad lineups.
Player------------------------------------------------------------------- Overall ------- in Logical Lineups
| Miller Kopp | .945 | 1.087 |
| Boo Buie | .925 | 1.095 |
| Pete Nance | .922 | 1.039 |
| Ryan Young | .914 | 1.049 |
| Ty Berry | .912 | 1.084 |
| Robbie Beran | .889 | 1.022 |
| Chase Audige | .866 | 1.021 |
| Anthony Gaines | .865 | .969 |
| Ryan Greer | .865 | .844 |
I should point out that because Young and/or Nance were involved in all of the logical lineups, they will naturally fall in the middle of the team's ratings.
Beran benefits enormously because he is only playing with Ryan Young in the frontcourt.
Gaines and Greer didn't measure up.
Buie and Berry were our most effective guards.
Kopp was not a stiff, but as Gato pointed out, we didnt have much of an alternative.
I did not say Kopp sucked, so please try to answer my question in a fair manner.
I just hope we see a new Audige this year. I did not see him as an asset last year in terms of team play.
If he can simply play defense and cut down the dumb/hero ball shots, he'll raise the team another level from what we've seen so far.
Uh no. The question was - how do you reconcile saying Collins misuses his players (eg Kopp) when he played him the most and he had the best scored/allowed ratio?
Actually you didn't ask that question.
However, I never said Collins misused Kopp. I have stated that Collins has used his roster ineffectively, but thats not even the point here.
OTHER people have been coming on here saying that Kopp sucks. (Scroll up and you will see it)
I stated that BECAUSE Collins used Kopp more than any other player, it is impossible to say that Collins knows what he is doing and that Kopp sucks.
Unless you think the entire team sucked.
Get it?
My question was implicit, so a bit nuanced - something you said a lot of board members other than you cannot handle; guess you are included in that list too.
If you have never said Collins misused Kopp, then that makes sense.
If you have never said Collins misused Kopp, then that makes sense.
Kopp looked outmatched vs Marshall tonite on btn. I am actually surprised that he is getting as much playing time as he is. Same sentiment when he played for nu. Ind has a really good center- i think he scored 40+ for hoosiers tonite. Will be big matchup problem for us. Looks 7'. Fast as nance. But almost as strong as young?? I look forward to playing them this season. I think we can win
Trace Jackson-Davis is a great college player. His 43 points tonight are the most scored by an IU player in 25 years. NU held him to 22 and 10 points in the games they split against the Hoosiers last season.
Confirmed by whom?
Its funny - I distinctly recall the dialog about Kopp's departure and how it evolved into "He's a crybaby and a quitter and a bad influence in the locker room."
Never heard anything like that before he left NU...
strange, isn't it?
Kopp being unhappy was out in the rumor mill long before he transferred. Pretty sure most people wouldn’t post rumors that 1) they didn’t have first hand knowledge were true or 2) they had knowledge of, but didn’t want to share out of respect for the program and/or player.
I am not a fan of the alledged leader of the team standing at the 3point line waiting for his teammates to do all of the dirty work to get him a shot. We all played with that guy at lower levels or at the Y. Eventually you let him stand at the line and be a non factor.
If this information is "confirmed" then what is the actual story?
Why was Kopp unhappy?
How did this "confirmed" story become confirmed?
Unless somebody can provide details, its just another fiction, designed to reduce how bad it looked for NU's basketball program.
If Collins knew Kopp was unhappy and wanted him to transfer, why in the world would he let him play 32 minutes in the Big Ten tournament game, chucking up wild shots every time he got the ball?
32 minutes! 4 of 18!!!!
In my opinion, Collins had no idea Kopp had given up.
But you can prove me wrong. With real sources.
Why was Kopp unhappy?
How did this "confirmed" story become confirmed?
Unless somebody can provide details, its just another fiction, designed to reduce how bad it looked for NU's basketball program.
If Collins knew Kopp was unhappy and wanted him to transfer, why in the world would he let him play 32 minutes in the Big Ten tournament game, chucking up wild shots every time he got the ball?
32 minutes! 4 of 18!!!!
In my opinion, Collins had no idea Kopp had given up.
But you can prove me wrong. With real sources.
When I played pickup ball, we used to call those guys, "Hongos". They always looked for their shots first. Audige was out-of-control more than any player I've ever seen at NU. He has talent, but he must be reined in or sit. Our record without him shows how much we've missed him - not much.
Ned and the other top people had a wine and cheese deal this afternoon and he gave me a call. Nu admin is firmly behind fitz for one more year. Fitz is having a tuff time finishing out recruiting.
Imo fitz needs to put his ego aside and start finding endorsement deals for players. one of only a couple P5 programs with goose eggs for player endorsements. We are in trouble.
Agree it’s absolutely shameful that B-Jo doesn’t have an endorsement yet from Buff Joes
The best source would be Ryan Young, Boo Buie or Pete Nance.
This "confirmed" story sounds like fiction.
Who stands to benefit from the "confirmed" story?
Hmmm..... the coach?
I think he can. Our program was caught offguard with this but it needs to focus on developing resources for players as other programs do, otherwise its going to be bad. Unfortunately, this board doesnt encourage post related to this important topic.